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Post by ishmael on Mar 18, 2024 6:02:05 GMT -5
If the US of A were not so racist and obsessed with destroying all links between its AA population and the Motherland, this coup would not be happening. So, in a stirring example of motherland pride and antipathy toward this country, may we assume you will be soon be heading to Africa?
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Post by soulflower on Mar 18, 2024 6:45:30 GMT -5
Not sure what's going on honestly because our government hasn't been transparent about the mission of our Drone base in Niger.
A few years ago, a few Special Ops troops were killed in Niger and we never got the full story about what led to their deaths.
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Post by kandace on Mar 21, 2024 21:35:31 GMT -5
If the US of A were not so racist and obsessed with destroying all links between its AA population and the Motherland, this coup would not be happening. So, in a stirring example of motherland pride and antipathy toward this country, may we assume you will be soon be heading to Africa? I don't have antipathy towards the US of A. It is my homeland and inheritance as an AA. I seek to transform it, to purge it of the poisonous infestation that is Caucasian Supremacy. Africa is my ancestral Motherland. I can root for and support it without living there, just as Jewish Americans support Israel without living there. The other persons of African descent throughout the Disapora are kindred. I am a cultural pan-Africanist. Encouraging the African Awakening and Ascension is what I do.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 21, 2024 21:47:54 GMT -5
So, in a stirring example of motherland pride and antipathy toward this country, may we assume you will be soon be heading to Africa? I don't have antipathy towards the US of A. It is my homeland and inheritance as an AA. I seek to transform it, to purge it of the poisonous infestation that is Caucasian Supremacy. Africa is my ancestral Motherland. I can root for and support it without living there, just as Jewish Americans support Israel without living there. The other persons of African descent throughout the Disapora are kindred. I am a cultural pan-Africanist. Encouraging the African Awakening and Ascension is what I do. Is Ghana's push to criminalize gay rights part of the African Awakening and Ascension also? How about Gambia's push to restore female genital mutilation? I know. This is just some of that Caucasian Supremacy, right?
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Post by kandace on Mar 21, 2024 21:57:06 GMT -5
I don't have antipathy towards the US of A. It is my homeland and inheritance as an AA. I seek to transform it, to purge it of the poisonous infestation that is Caucasian Supremacy. Africa is my ancestral Motherland. I can root for and support it without living there, just as Jewish Americans support Israel without living there. The other persons of African descent throughout the Disapora are kindred. I am a cultural pan-Africanist. Encouraging the African Awakening and Ascension is what I do. Is Ghana's push to criminalize gay rights part of the African Awakening and Ascension also? How about Gambia's push to restore female genital mutilation? I know. This is just some of that Caucasian Supremacy, right? Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept.
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Post by Rael on Mar 21, 2024 22:10:28 GMT -5
Is Ghana's push to criminalize gay rights part of the African Awakening and Ascension also? How about Gambia's push to restore female genital mutilation? I know. This is just some of that Caucasian Supremacy, right? Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. So it sounds like you are blaming anti LGBTQ positions of these African governments on the fact that we in the west do not oppress those in this group. I doubt that is the intent of your post, but that is how it reads.
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Post by soulflower on Mar 21, 2024 22:20:18 GMT -5
Is Ghana's push to criminalize gay rights part of the African Awakening and Ascension also? How about Gambia's push to restore female genital mutilation? I know. This is just some of that Caucasian Supremacy, right? Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. I think Putin/Russia is living off of the legacy of the USSR in the Third-World/Global South. Many of these countries remember the Soviet support of anti-colonial movements around the world and opposition to apartheid. So they are friendlier with Russia and China than the Western European countries. Aside from that, China, and to a lesser extent, Russia, treats leaders of African nations with more dignity and respect than they receive from European and Anglo-non-European countries. But at the end of the day, all these other countries, including Russia and China, want from Africa is access to their wealth of valuable natural resources. Still, respect goes a long way in international relations and again, they've been shown more respect from Russia and China than other wealthy countries in recent years. I understand France's colonial role in West Africa and have a pretty good idea of why they resent the French. But as I mentioned earlier, I don't know entirely what the US has been doing in Niger so I can't comment on whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that they want to kick the US military out (I'm not even sure if the US military is cooperating with Niger's request).
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Post by soulflower on Mar 21, 2024 22:25:11 GMT -5
Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. So it sounds like you are blaming anti LGBTQ positions of these African governments on the fact that we in the west do not oppress those in this group. I doubt that is the intent of your post, but that is how it reads. Not just in Africa, but in other parts of the world, there seems to be a backlash against Western cultural imperialism. Most parts of the world aren't as progressive on women's rights or LGBTQ tolerance as Western countries. So there's definitely some tension over that, not just in Africa but in other places as well. There's a fine line between wanting to help other nations modernize and progress culturally versus imposing our cultural values on people who may not like everything about our culture. Sometimes it gets crossed.
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Post by kandace on Mar 21, 2024 22:33:01 GMT -5
Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. So it sounds like you are blaming anti LGBTQ positions of these African governments on the fact that we in the west do not oppress those in this group. I doubt that is the intent of your post, but that is how it reads. I'm just stating there is backlash against what is perceived as Western control and given African societies' rather profoundly traditional views on sex roles, anything Western that contradicts those views will be resisted fiercely. And yes, African societies are highly diverse, but there are some deeply rooted continuities, especially with regards to sex and/or gender roles. As I mentioned in my recent thread on African history, Hathsephut and Nzinga, African female rulers separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles and vastly different cultures still dressed as men, because true independent monarchy was deemed to be a solely male prerogative. Female husbands were traditions in Igboland in West Africa and Kenya in East Africa, but those arrangements were simply means for otherwise childless or sonless older women to continue the patriarchal line, and woman-woman sex itself was not embraced. Such societies are not likely to be LGBTQ friendly, especially once they have thrown off Western domination formally and increasingly informally. This is of a piece with the Chinese government's increasing hostility to and media bans on "effeminate men," due to sensitivity about the obviously observable failure of China's rise to stimulate the sort of masculine appeal Caucasian men in the affluent West enjoy. Such actions are rather predictable.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 5:10:52 GMT -5
Is Ghana's push to criminalize gay rights part of the African Awakening and Ascension also? How about Gambia's push to restore female genital mutilation? I know. This is just some of that Caucasian Supremacy, right? Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. So killing gays and mutilating women is the West's fault? I've said before I thought many of your views espoused the very racism you claim to abhor, but being an apologist for government led murder and torture kind of puts you in a whole new category.
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Post by Rael on Mar 22, 2024 6:17:09 GMT -5
So it sounds like you are blaming anti LGBTQ positions of these African governments on the fact that we in the west do not oppress those in this group. I doubt that is the intent of your post, but that is how it reads. I'm just stating there is backlash against what is perceived as Western control and given African societies' rather profoundly traditional views on sex roles, anything Western that contradicts those views will be resisted fiercely. And yes, African societies are highly diverse, but there are some deeply rooted continuities, especially with regards to sex and/or gender roles. As I mentioned in my recent thread on African history, Hathsephut and Nzinga, African female rulers separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles and vastly different cultures still dressed as men, because true independent monarchy was deemed to be a solely male prerogative. Female husbands were traditions in Igboland in West Africa and Kenya in East Africa, but those arrangements were simply means for otherwise childless or sonless older women to continue the patriarchal line, and woman-woman sex itself was not embraced. Such societies are not likely to be LGBTQ friendly, especially once they have thrown off Western domination formally and increasingly informally. This is of a piece with the Chinese government's increasing hostility to and media bans on "effeminate men," due to sensitivity about the obviously observable failure of China's rise to stimulate the sort of masculine appeal Caucasian men in the affluent West enjoy. Such actions are rather predictable. So, if I'm following this somewhat "interesting" logical pathway, the hard core evangelical right wing in this country deserves credit for helping to liberalize African society.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 7:44:17 GMT -5
I'm just stating there is backlash against what is perceived as Western control and given African societies' rather profoundly traditional views on sex roles, anything Western that contradicts those views will be resisted fiercely. And yes, African societies are highly diverse, but there are some deeply rooted continuities, especially with regards to sex and/or gender roles. As I mentioned in my recent thread on African history, Hathsephut and Nzinga, African female rulers separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles and vastly different cultures still dressed as men, because true independent monarchy was deemed to be a solely male prerogative. Female husbands were traditions in Igboland in West Africa and Kenya in East Africa, but those arrangements were simply means for otherwise childless or sonless older women to continue the patriarchal line, and woman-woman sex itself was not embraced. Such societies are not likely to be LGBTQ friendly, especially once they have thrown off Western domination formally and increasingly informally. This is of a piece with the Chinese government's increasing hostility to and media bans on "effeminate men," due to sensitivity about the obviously observable failure of China's rise to stimulate the sort of masculine appeal Caucasian men in the affluent West enjoy. Such actions are rather predictable. So, if I'm following this somewhat "interesting" logical pathway, the hard core evangelical right wing in this country deserves credit for helping to liberalize African society. It is difficult to think logically when one is blinded by other factors.
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Post by kandace on Mar 23, 2024 19:35:10 GMT -5
Africans at this point are so fed up and enraged at their marginalization in the global order that if the West says "jump," they'll sit on the floor. That's shown by their embrace of Putin. Especially with the US of A's support of the genocide in Gaza, Africans don't want to be told how to act by Westerners right now or in the foreseeable future. That's just something Caucasians will have to accept. So killing gays and mutilating women is the West's fault? I've said before I thought many of your views espoused the very racism you claim to abhor, but being an apologist for government led murder and torture kind of puts you in a whole new category. I'm not an apologist for any form of oppression or mistreatment. I was just pointing out the fact that African nations resent their historic invasion and subjugation by the West, and any attempt to press them to change their sexual mores is going to stir resentment. That's just a fact. Nothing any Westerner thinks, Caucasian or non-Caucasian, is going to change that reality. Especially now that African nations are rapidly developing and that development is mostly tied to the non-West (China, India, the Arab Gulf States). Even the very progressive, pro-LGBTQ current president of Brazil, Lula de Silva, has treaded lightly on this issue because he knows that blatant pressure will worsen the backlash. The refusal of certain Caucasian Westerners to accept reality is quite unfortunate.
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Post by kandace on Mar 23, 2024 19:35:39 GMT -5
So, if I'm following this somewhat "interesting" logical pathway, the hard core evangelical right wing in this country deserves credit for helping to liberalize African society. It is difficult to think logically when one is blinded by other factors. And what would those "other factors" be?
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Post by kandace on Mar 23, 2024 19:37:42 GMT -5
I'm just stating there is backlash against what is perceived as Western control and given African societies' rather profoundly traditional views on sex roles, anything Western that contradicts those views will be resisted fiercely. And yes, African societies are highly diverse, but there are some deeply rooted continuities, especially with regards to sex and/or gender roles. As I mentioned in my recent thread on African history, Hathsephut and Nzinga, African female rulers separated by thousands of years and thousands of miles and vastly different cultures still dressed as men, because true independent monarchy was deemed to be a solely male prerogative. Female husbands were traditions in Igboland in West Africa and Kenya in East Africa, but those arrangements were simply means for otherwise childless or sonless older women to continue the patriarchal line, and woman-woman sex itself was not embraced. Such societies are not likely to be LGBTQ friendly, especially once they have thrown off Western domination formally and increasingly informally. This is of a piece with the Chinese government's increasing hostility to and media bans on "effeminate men," due to sensitivity about the obviously observable failure of China's rise to stimulate the sort of masculine appeal Caucasian men in the affluent West enjoy. Such actions are rather predictable. So, if I'm following this somewhat "interesting" logical pathway, the hard core evangelical right wing in this country deserves credit for helping to liberalize African society. I'm not certain what the logical basis of that conclusion is. I doubt you really know the logical basis for it either, but of course I could be wrong.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 23, 2024 19:52:22 GMT -5
It is difficult to think logically when one is blinded by other factors. And what would those "other factors" be? Besides your racism?
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Post by ishmael on Mar 23, 2024 19:54:33 GMT -5
So killing gays and mutilating women is the West's fault? I've said before I thought many of your views espoused the very racism you claim to abhor, but being an apologist for government led murder and torture kind of puts you in a whole new category. I'm not an apologist for any form of oppression or mistreatment. I was just pointing out the fact that African nations resent their historic invasion and subjugation by the West, and any attempt to press them to change their sexual mores is going to stir resentment. That's just a fact. Nothing any Westerner thinks, Caucasian or non-Caucasian, is going to change that reality. Especially now that African nations are rapidly developing and that development is mostly tied to the non-West (China, India, the Arab Gulf States). Even the very progressive, pro-LGBTQ current president of Brazil, Lula de Silva, has treaded lightly on this issue because he knows that blatant pressure will worsen the backlash. The refusal of certain Caucasian Westerners to accept reality is quite unfortunate. If I opened a post with this sentence, you would tell me exactly what I was was an apologist.
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Post by kandace on Mar 23, 2024 19:57:37 GMT -5
And what would those "other factors" be? Besides your racism? I'm not a racist. I am a proponent of Pan Africanism and an opponent of Caucasian Supremacy. That unnerves and threatens some people, including other persons of African descent.
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Post by soulflower on May 2, 2024 21:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 14, 2024 7:58:41 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on May 14, 2024 9:48:36 GMT -5
Our diplomats have difficulty being diplomatic to African countries. It’s an acquired trait of American Majoritarian culture.
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Post by kandace on May 14, 2024 9:57:04 GMT -5
I am very glad that this is happening. 🕺🏿✊🏿✊🏿
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Post by soulflower on May 14, 2024 10:47:39 GMT -5
I am very glad that this is happening. 🕺🏿✊🏿✊🏿 I think they’re right to end the relationship if it’s not working for them. I’d just like to see these African leaders make sure they’re using the Resource-wealth that they have to develop and improve the quality of life in their countries…
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Post by kandace on May 14, 2024 11:43:57 GMT -5
I am very glad that this is happening. 🕺🏿✊🏿✊🏿 I think they’re right to end the relationship if it’s not working for them. I’d just like to see these African leaders make sure they’re using the Resource-wealth that they have to develop and improve the quality of life in their countries… It’s really ironic how certain Caucasians snarl that if AAs don’t like it in America they can go to Africa, then they turn around and obsessively try to infiltrate Africa. 🧐🤨
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