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Post by zenwalk on Apr 22, 2024 18:49:32 GMT -5
So you do believe that the only reason there was slavery in the US was because some Africans sold other Africans into slavery. So according to you, it was impossible for the white slavers to get slaves by any other means. Their only option was to buy from Africans. Interesting. Actually that was their only option. White men couldn't just go into the interior and capture slaves. historynewsnetwork.org/article/its-time-to-face-the-whole-truth-about-the-atlanti Well that changes everything doesn't it? Let's hope they never take down this beauty of Nathan Bedford Forrest on a merry-go-round. Yee Haw Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/6966743/thumbnailer/gldAZQmkyMtOHlvrWdiO.png)
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Post by kandace on Apr 22, 2024 19:00:13 GMT -5
Those Africans chiefs and kings hopped into their boats, guns blazing, stormed the ports of Colonial America, and forced to the Europeans colonists to purchase their slaves on pain of death.
There needs to be a movie made about this.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 22, 2024 19:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on Apr 22, 2024 19:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 22, 2024 19:36:44 GMT -5
I know my history. You seem to be implying that had there not been African collaborators, there would have been no slave trade. My British reference is spot on if you're familiar with the British colonization of Africa. They beat the Africans in the Boar War and had no trouble taking over South Africa. And they and other Europeans took over almost the entire continent. But grabbing slaves would have been just too darn hard. Please.
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Post by vosa on Apr 22, 2024 19:39:08 GMT -5
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Post by vosa on Apr 22, 2024 19:46:25 GMT -5
Those Africans chiefs and kings hopped into their boats, guns blazing, stormed the ports of Colonial America, and forced to the Europeans colonists to purchase their slaves on pain of death. There needs to be a movie made about this. So if someone steals a gun and sells it to someone else who commits a crime with that gun the person who stole then sold the gun should not be held accountable? For those of you who don't see the relevance of the above; it's an analogy.
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Post by vosa on Apr 22, 2024 20:14:19 GMT -5
I know my history. You seem to be implying that had there not been African collaborators, there would have been no slave trade. My British reference is spot on if you're familiar with the British colonization of Africa. They beat the Africans in the Boar War and had no trouble taking over South Africa. And they and other Europeans took over almost the entire continent. But grabbing slaves would have been just too darn hard. Please. So now you want us to believe that nothing changed between 1710 when the slave trade started and the Boar War which lasted from October 11, 1899 – May 31, 1902. For 189 years no change in British politics, technology, law or values. Despite what you are trying to sell there has never been a time in human history when there has been no change in politics, technology, law or values for 189 years.
Your pitiful attempts to deny that Africans bear any responsibility for the slave trade are clownish.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 20:19:53 GMT -5
There is nothing about the Confederacy or anyone who served it worthy of the smallest iota of praise. Mississippi fails hard, here. And the miasma of racism swirls thickly about their statehouse. Why does what other people memorialize bother you? What about diversity? Equal treatment? A state government should not be memorializing white supremacy
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 22, 2024 21:08:12 GMT -5
Why does what other people memorialize bother you? What about diversity? Equal treatment? A state government should not be memorializing white supremacy They are not, they are memorializing men who fought for their state.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 21:23:51 GMT -5
A state government should not be memorializing white supremacy They are not, they are memorializing men who fought for their state. To preserve a system built on the idea of white supremacy
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 22, 2024 22:38:27 GMT -5
They are not, they are memorializing men who fought for their state. To preserve a system built on the idea of white supremacy That's not why they fought.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 23:53:00 GMT -5
To preserve a system built on the idea of white supremacy That's not why they fought. To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason.
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Post by ivanbalt on Apr 23, 2024 5:17:58 GMT -5
Has there ever been a more pathetic cause than the Confederacy and the losers that still celebrate it?
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 6:27:33 GMT -5
I think the more accurate question is, do the nations in Africa where this occurred celebrate "Selling Black Brothers and Sisters Into Slavery Heritage Month"? I also wonder if Germany has a "Nazi Heritage Month". We should let the Confederacy fall into the bowels of history and move on. After all, it was failed rebellion built on the tenets of slavery and White supremacy. This is from their own text and speeches. Why should we celebrate that? Especially while much of the right is fighting against DEI and CRT? Should memorializing Confederates be banned? No. I have always been against state sanctioned celebration and honoring of slavery and white supremacy. Its still legal to be an ignorant or racist CSA lover in your private life. Over a third of Mississippi is black. What message does this send to them? The CSA literally saw them as subhuman and fought to keep them in chains. That is what Mississippi honors, because that's what the CSA was, in their own words.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 6:28:24 GMT -5
LOL. The CSA was against diversity and equal treatment. What does that have to do with people who oppose other people memorializing their ancestors? Just had to point out the glaring irony of your post.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 6:30:47 GMT -5
Less than a dozen posts before slavery was blamed on black folks. It's gonna be like shooting fish in a barrel. Did Black folks in Africa sell their Black brothers and sisters into slavery? Do you think this somehow vindicates slavery in the US? Because Africans sold other Africans into slavery? There can only be a sale when someone is willing to buy.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 6:35:04 GMT -5
That's not why they fought. To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason. Funny how a "history buff" is almost always banging his head up against history.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 7:56:48 GMT -5
That's not why they fought. To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason. I'm talking about the soldiers who are memorialized. They were fighting for their state, not for or against slavery.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 7:58:14 GMT -5
What does that have to do with people who oppose other people memorializing their ancestors? Just had to point out the glaring irony of your post. No irony because it's two different things.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 7:59:50 GMT -5
To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason. Funny how a "history buff" is almost always banging his head up against history. Where was I wrong? I was talking about the soldiers from their own words not official state policies.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 8:02:37 GMT -5
To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason. I'm talking about the soldiers who are memorialized. They were fighting for their state, not for or against slavery. Actually, their state made it clear that it was fighting to preserve slavery. Couldn't be more clear.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 8:17:13 GMT -5
I'm talking about the soldiers who are memorialized. They were fighting for their state, not for or against slavery. Actually, their state made it clear that it was fighting to preserve slavery. Couldn't be more clear. I've read many letters and journal entries from the soldiers themselves and none of them believed they were fighting for or against slavery.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 8:26:35 GMT -5
Funny how a "history buff" is almost always banging his head up against history. Where was I wrong? I was talking about the soldiers from their own words not official state policies. If a person fought for Mississippi, they fought for the continuance of slavery, because that is what Mississippi clearly stated was the reason for seceding and joining the CSA.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 8:27:32 GMT -5
Actually, their state made it clear that it was fighting to preserve slavery. Couldn't be more clear. I've read many letters and journal entries from the soldiers themselves and none of them believed they were fighting for or against slavery. What people told themselves is irrelevant. They put on the gray uniform and picked up a rifle to fight for the continuance of slavery. Just because they were naive or stupid isn't an excuse for honoring them.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 9:11:35 GMT -5
Actually, their state made it clear that it was fighting to preserve slavery. Couldn't be more clear. I've read many letters and journal entries from the soldiers themselves and none of them believed they were fighting for or against slavery. When the Mississippi white male slave owners and politicians gathered to vote on secession. They approved this document which was spread far and wide throughout the state and the south. It was published in every newspaper and read from town squares. It could not be more clear, as their own words from 1861 state, that they were fighting to preserve a white supremacist system that included slavery.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 23, 2024 9:21:41 GMT -5
Great. We haven't had a civil war - slavery thread in quite some time. The mods could save a lot of electrons by cutting and pasting any of the other threads into this one.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 9:32:54 GMT -5
Great. We haven't had a civil war - slavery thread in quite some time. The mods could save a lot of electrons by cutting and pasting any of the other threads into this one. Or, you could just ignore it. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 9:35:10 GMT -5
Good channel that debunks a lot of Lost Cause Myth BS
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 23, 2024 9:50:24 GMT -5
I've read many letters and journal entries from the soldiers themselves and none of them believed they were fighting for or against slavery. What people told themselves is irrelevant. They put on the gray uniform and picked up a rifle to fight for the continuance of slavery. Just because they were naive or stupid isn't an excuse for honoring them. Most were stupid or naive. They signed on to be cannon fodder for a cause that benefited a relative handful of wealthy landowners. The vast majority of whites were poor and were hurt by the free labor of slavery. How glorious.
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