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Post by alienrace on Aug 1, 2022 8:40:02 GMT -5
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Post by Rael on Aug 1, 2022 8:45:58 GMT -5
I don't know. Assuming (and it is a BIG assumption) that Watson can shake off the rust on his own, The Browns have a fairly light schedule through their first six games. If they can go 3-3 with Brissett and we get Watson on his first game back. They could still find themselves at least "in the hunt" towards the end of the season.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 1, 2022 8:57:04 GMT -5
Absolutely. Calvin Ridley was suspended an entire season for placing a bet.
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Post by alienrace on Aug 1, 2022 9:01:46 GMT -5
I don't know. Assuming (and it is a BIG assumption) that Watson can shake off the rust on his own, The Browns have a fairly light schedule through their first six games. If they can go 3-3 with Brissett and we get Watson on his first game back. They could still find themselves at least "in the hunt" towards the end of the season. Maybe for the last WC spot. Most have the Bengals and Ravens winning 12 games each. Of course you never know. Ravens were 8-3 at one point last year before the injuries couldn't be overcome any longer.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 1, 2022 10:54:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing the NFL will put together another "we care about women" phony PR campaign.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 1, 2022 11:12:52 GMT -5
Really... 6 games?
Oh, he's just a guy doing guy things, I guess!
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 1, 2022 11:41:14 GMT -5
Just saw on ESPN that the NFL hired an independent investigator to decide if a suspension was needed and if so how long it would be. They have 3 days to appeal it. Apparently they weren’t happy with the result but I don’t know what they expected. If they wanted him to be suspended for more games suspend him for more games. It’s your own league.
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Post by Rael on Aug 1, 2022 12:57:40 GMT -5
I don't know. Assuming (and it is a BIG assumption) that Watson can shake off the rust on his own, The Browns have a fairly light schedule through their first six games. If they can go 3-3 with Brissett and we get Watson on his first game back. They could still find themselves at least "in the hunt" towards the end of the season. Maybe for the last WC spot. Most have the Bengals and Ravens winning 12 games each. Of course you never know. Ravens were 8-3 at one point last year before the injuries couldn't be overcome any longer. The Bengals came out of nowhere last year and, being the Bengals, could just as easily fade to 500 this year. I'm not saying they aren't talented or that Burrows isn't the real deal. Just that they are, after all, still the Bengals.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 1, 2022 13:20:58 GMT -5
Maybe for the last WC spot. Most have the Bengals and Ravens winning 12 games each. Of course you never know. Ravens were 8-3 at one point last year before the injuries couldn't be overcome any longer. The Bengals came out of nowhere last year and, being the Bengals, could just as easily fade to 500 this year. I'm not saying they aren't talented or that Burrows isn't the real deal. Just that they are, after all, still the Bengals. Plus the league has an entire year of film on Burrow now. Not that I think he'll turn into Andy Dalton, but still something to consider.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 1, 2022 15:21:02 GMT -5
The Browns clearly knew the league wasn't going to drop a safe on Watson's head before this announcement. It is an extraordinarily mild punishment considering how many incidents there were and how bad it makes Watson, and now the league, look.
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Post by alienrace on Aug 2, 2022 7:00:38 GMT -5
The Browns clearly knew the league wasn't going to drop a safe on Watson's head before this announcement. It is an extraordinarily mild punishment considering how many incidents there were and how bad it makes Watson, and now the league, look. The crazy thing is during this, they were trying to work out a settlement and Watson's side was willing to offer up to 8 games suspension. Then this clown gives him 6? WTF? No fine?? What the hell kind of message does this send?
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 2, 2022 8:06:56 GMT -5
Calvin Ridley gets a season for gambling. Josh Gordon gets almost 30 games for smoking weed. Watson gets 6 games for sexually assaulting nearly 30 women. Granted, he's settled in court with most of them and was never charged criminally. But I think the writing is on the wall about his behavior.
Of course, his first game back is against the Ravens. Let's welcome him back to the NFL.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 2, 2022 12:31:15 GMT -5
The Browns clearly knew the league wasn't going to drop a safe on Watson's head before this announcement. It is an extraordinarily mild punishment considering how many incidents there were and how bad it makes Watson, and now the league, look. The crazy thing is during this, they were trying to work out a settlement and Watson's side was willing to offer up to 8 games suspension. Then this clown gives him 6? WTF? No fine?? What the hell kind of message does this send? The message is clear.... privilege is everything!! Women don't matter. Money talks.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 2, 2022 12:32:12 GMT -5
And a woman made this decision. Mind blown.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 2, 2022 12:44:40 GMT -5
And a woman made this decision. Mind blown. From what I heard today, she made the decision based on what the NFL presented. Sounds like the NFL skimped on what was presented.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 2, 2022 12:56:04 GMT -5
And a woman made this decision. Mind blown. From what I heard today, she made the decision based on what the NFL presented. Sounds like the NFL skimped on what was presented. Maybe she will share with us exactly what that was.
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Post by alienrace on Aug 2, 2022 13:01:22 GMT -5
And a woman made this decision. Mind blown. From what I heard today, she made the decision based on what the NFL presented. Sounds like the NFL skimped on what was presented. She literally gave him a softer punishment than the NFLPA lawyers were seeking. I don't see how that's even possible no matter what the NFL presented. What was public knowledge should have been sufficient to at least give him the NFLPA proposal. To give him what is essentially a slap on the wrist? Yeah, privilege alright. Roethlisberger got the same suspension for ONE accusation that was settled, much less THIRTY. This is crazy world.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 2, 2022 13:43:02 GMT -5
Evidently the NFL did not wish to spur the NFLPA into offering a defense. Because that defense would have included a discussion of punishments levied against owners for offenses, including Kraft (got tug jobs from dodgy massage parlors), Jones and Snyder (awful human being, hostile workplace).
The NFLPA probably asserts (and I tend to agree) that the penalty should depend on the offense and not the offender. The league office, which is basically a sock puppet for the owners at this point, probably believes that owners are entitled to more leniency for the same reason rich people usually feel they should not be subject to the same penalties as everyone else: because they're rich.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 2, 2022 13:59:08 GMT -5
From what I heard today, she made the decision based on what the NFL presented. Sounds like the NFL skimped on what was presented. She literally gave him a softer punishment than the NFLPA lawyers were seeking. I don't see how that's even possible no matter what the NFL presented. What was public knowledge should have been sufficient to at least give him the NFLPA proposal. To give him what is essentially a slap on the wrist? Yeah, privilege alright. Roethlisberger got the same suspension for ONE accusation that was settled, much less THIRTY. This is crazy world. NFL just wants it to go away ideally. If they gauge a public outcry, they might appeal.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 2, 2022 15:22:05 GMT -5
NFL just wants it to go away ideally. If they gauge a public outcry, they might appeal. Same way Ray Rice's behavior wasn't a problem until the public actually saw it. Everyone inside - the league office and the Ravens - already had, but tried to go under the rug with it while they could.
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Post by ishmael on Aug 3, 2022 8:56:54 GMT -5
Six games. Not even CLOSE to enough. Should have been the season, at a minimum.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 3, 2022 17:22:35 GMT -5
Six games. Not even CLOSE to enough. Should have been the season, at a minimum. Exactly the same number of games Dolphins owner Ross was suspended for tampering with Tom Brady and Sean Payton while they were with the Patriots and Saints respectively. Ross did catch a much bigger fine since Watson was not fined at all (he'll lose six game checks, but knowing this was coming he structured his Browns contract so he's paid very little this year).
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 3, 2022 17:33:12 GMT -5
NFL appealing to get an indefinite suspension. Seeking at least a full season.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 4, 2022 19:07:24 GMT -5
NFL appealing to get an indefinite suspension. Seeking at least a full season. I heard on a radio sports break that the NFLPA is preparing to sue them over that, but cannot find that anywhere, so I do not know if it is true. Evidently the judge wrote that the way the NFL's personal conduct policy is written limited her ability to punish Watson. If that's true this is a league problem, but I'll bet they can't do a procedural rewrite without the NFLPA's participation.
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Post by alienrace on Aug 5, 2022 6:55:08 GMT -5
They are going to sue about an appeal? What grounds? Appeals are perfectly legal.
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Post by Rael on Aug 5, 2022 12:40:37 GMT -5
So now Watson is trying to get it reduced to 4 games citing big Ben as the rationale. I think Watson is right. 4 games for each allegation sounds about right. See you in ten years buddy.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 5, 2022 12:53:34 GMT -5
They are going to sue about an appeal? What grounds? Appeals are perfectly legal. If the league agreed not to appeal the judge's decision, then the court of public opinion more or less forced it to so it went back on that agreement. That's about the only scenario I can imagine. Prosecutors cannot appeal findings of non-guilty in criminal matters. So not ALL appeals are perfectly legal.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 5, 2022 14:10:41 GMT -5
They are going to sue about an appeal? What grounds? Appeals are perfectly legal. If the league agreed not to appeal the judge's decision, then the court of public opinion more or less forced it to so it went back on that agreement. That's about the only scenario I can imagine. Prosecutors cannot appeal findings of non-guilty in criminal matters. So not ALL appeals are perfectly legal. The league always has the right to appeal according to the current CBA.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 5, 2022 19:36:25 GMT -5
The league always has the right to appeal according to the current CBA. Yes. But it may have agreed not to appeal in this specific case, for some reason. I don't know how else the PA could sue.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 12, 2022 9:54:53 GMT -5
This whole thing makes me sick.
He should be in jail.
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