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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 9:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by alienrace on Apr 7, 2023 9:08:41 GMT -5
From your article - it's focused on hormone treatments. "The state actions focus on specific therapies under the umbrella of gender-affirming care: hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics." Nobody is being denied talking to a psychiatrist about their gender issues.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 9:14:26 GMT -5
From your article - it's focused on hormone treatments. "The state actions focus on specific therapies under the umbrella of gender-affirming care: hormone-related treatments that delay puberty or promote development of masculine or feminine sex characteristics." Nobody is being denied talking to a psychiatrist about their gender issues. Professional care is being denied. Psychiatrists and other therapists who work in this area utilize a variety of treatments based on the individual and their training, knowledge. But better to rely on the state legislators and their vast experience in this area to parse treatment programs. www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/ |
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Post by alienrace on Apr 7, 2023 9:28:09 GMT -5
But better to rely on the state legislators and their vast experience in this area to parse treatment programs. Nobody is stopping them from receiving specialized psychological therapy. Hormone treatments for kids to change their gender? Yes. And good. Because frankly, it's downright despicable and evil. |
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 9:39:19 GMT -5
But better to rely on the state legislators and their vast experience in this area to parse treatment programs. Nobody is stopping them from receiving specialized psychological therapy. Hormone treatments for kids to change their gender? Yes. And good. Because frankly, it's downright despicable and evil. The research says otherwise. Assuming you're interested in actual outcomes--the well-being of trans kids, that should matter. But you know better and that trumps results and medical community consensus. Let's go by what you think. Cool. jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/gender-affirming-care-saves-lives |
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Post by stevez51 on Apr 7, 2023 9:42:11 GMT -5
There's a few countries passing laws that will fine you for misgendering, criticize or protest against transgenders. Canada, Germany & Spain. Normal is not a dude who dresses up like a little girl. But its making him lots of money so expect copy cats. If you try to legislate "normal" don't be surprised when they come for you. That is all I am saying. I have no worries .........
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Post by stevez51 on Apr 7, 2023 9:45:45 GMT -5
Would you agree we should leave kids alone until they are old enough to make a decision on their own, and not allow outside influence from adults & social media.
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Post by stevez51 on Apr 7, 2023 9:48:05 GMT -5
But better to rely on the state legislators and their vast experience in this area to parse treatment programs. Nobody is stopping them from receiving specialized psychological therapy. Hormone treatments for kids to change their gender? Yes. And good. Because frankly, it's downright despicable and evil. What has changed in society from when kids wanted to be a baseball player or a nurse to wanting to change their sex.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 9:50:07 GMT -5
Would you agree we should leave kids alone until they are old enough to make a decision on their own, and not allow outside influence from adults & social media. Kids identify as gender confused quite young. Would you suggest deferring other medical decisions until kids are old enough to make decisions on their own? If you actually think parents encourage the trauma of gender confusion, you are crazy. |
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Post by stevez51 on Apr 7, 2023 10:01:51 GMT -5
Would you agree we should leave kids alone until they are old enough to make a decision on their own, and not allow outside influence from adults & social media. Kids identify as gender confused quite young. Would you suggest deferring other medical decisions until kids are old enough to make decisions on their own? If you actually think parents encourage the trauma of gender confusion, you are crazy. Parents read a lot on social media. You don't think it influences their decisions. Years ago girls that acted like boys were called tomboys. Then they grew out of it. Gender confused ..?? Let them grow up a little before forcing drugs & surgeries on them.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 10:04:36 GMT -5
Kids identify as gender confused quite young. Would you suggest deferring other medical decisions until kids are old enough to make decisions on their own? If you actually think parents encourage the trauma of gender confusion, you are crazy. Parents read a lot on social media. You don't think it influences their decisions. Years ago girls that acted like boys were called tomboys. Then they grew out of it. Gender confused ..?? Let them grow up a little before forcing drugs & surgeries on them. I think gender confusion is extremely painful for families. It's not a fad. We used to smoke and drink and drive and gay people stayed in the closet. Good times. |
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 7, 2023 10:07:02 GMT -5
I feel like we've gone so deep into clown world now that if a young girl with bulimia went to the doctor and told them "I feel like I'm too fat" the doctor would be pressured to "affirm" she's overweight.
This isn't how psychological care is supposed to work. You need to put in the time to explore the roots of why you think you're the wrong gender. This requires adult conversations and some serious exploration. Otherwise you end up with a large number of people who aren't helped by being transitioned, only now they have a bunch of extra medical problems associated with the hormones and surgeries. Which is what we're seeing now.
I KNOW there are people out there who benefit from being transitioned because I know several such people personally. But they put in the work. They struggled with these questions. They asked lots of questions and took the time to understand things like side effects of the various treatments, and to think about the implications on their lives and their family.
A teenage girl CAN'T know that she's supposed to be a man because she doesn't even know what it is to be a woman. She needs psychological therapy.
And a prepubescent child, who maybe still thinks Santa is real, is just as likely to think magic can be employed to change their gender.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 7, 2023 10:46:10 GMT -5
If you try to legislate "normal" don't be surprised when they come for you. That is all I am saying. I have no worries ......... Ignorance is bliss. |
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 7, 2023 10:47:05 GMT -5
But better to rely on the state legislators and their vast experience in this area to parse treatment programs. Nobody is stopping them from receiving specialized psychological therapy. Hormone treatments for kids to change their gender? Yes. And good. Because frankly, it's downright despicable and evil. Why can’t you mind your own damn business and let people decide for themselves on personal matters? |
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 7, 2023 10:48:25 GMT -5
Glad to see the mask slipping on many posters here. Trans is evil and not normal.
Sounds like something to be eradicated.
Just come out and say it. I’ll have more respect for you.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 7, 2023 10:54:47 GMT -5
Liberal logic leap (LLL). Trans is not evil, and I did not say it was. Giving kids hormones that can do permanent damage before their old enough to know what they really want, that is evil.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 11:17:19 GMT -5
Liberal logic leap (LLL). Trans is not evil, and I did not say it was. Giving kids hormones that can do permanent damage before their old enough to know what they really want, that is evil. Hormone blocker effects are reversible. www.healthline.com/health/are-puberty-blockers-reversibleYou know what's not reversible? Suicide. |
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Post by alienrace on Apr 7, 2023 11:18:14 GMT -5
Hormone blocker effects are reversible. Screwing with it during growth/puberty is not. |
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 11:19:58 GMT -5
Hormone blocker effects are reversible. Screwing with it during growth/puberty is not. Suicide is not reversible. Want to look at the research on the plus and minuses? And don't understand yr comment. Stop giving the hormones and puberty kicks back in. |
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 7, 2023 11:44:46 GMT -5
Screwing with it during growth/puberty is not. Suicide is not reversible. Want to look at the research on the plus and minuses? And don't understand yr comment. Stop giving the hormones and puberty kicks back in. There ARE NO LONG TERM STUDIES on this, because we only started doing this to kids in the last decade or so. If you give a 10 year old hormones to block puberty, and they're on them until they're say 14, they can't get that 4 years of development back.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 7, 2023 11:45:40 GMT -5
Hormone blocker effects are reversible. Screwing with it during growth/puberty is not. Hormone blockers can lead to permanent sterility as well as screwing with a person's development.
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 7, 2023 11:48:11 GMT -5
Hats off to Kid Rock for finding a use for Budweiser.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 11:58:29 GMT -5
Suicide is not reversible. Want to look at the research on the plus and minuses? And don't understand yr comment. Stop giving the hormones and puberty kicks back in. There ARE NO LONG TERM STUDIES on this, because we only started doing this to kids in the last decade or so. If you give a 10 year old hormones to block puberty, and they're on them until they're say 14, they can't get that 4 years of development back. Puberty blockers been in use for 30 years. Just because Fox News only started talking about them recently doesn't mean they're new. And once you start puberty blockers, puberty stats back in. I would post links to educate you but pointless. |
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Post by alienrace on Apr 7, 2023 11:59:25 GMT -5
If you give a 10 year old hormones to block puberty, and they're on them until they're say 14, they can't get that 4 years of development back. Exactly. Some talked about masks coming off. There are some today that have me disturbed when it comes to their positions on child welfare aspects. Dark stuff. |
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 12:07:49 GMT -5
If you give a 10 year old hormones to block puberty, and they're on them until they're say 14, they can't get that 4 years of development back. Exactly. Some talked about masks coming off. There are some today that have me disturbed when it comes to their positions on child welfare aspects. Dark stuff. So your position is neither parents nor medical care providers can be entrusted with decisions regarding their child? That state legislators should be. I'm still waiting for proof that access to this care is a net negative. |
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 7, 2023 12:09:02 GMT -5
Liberal logic leap (LLL). Trans is not evil, and I did not say it was. Giving kids hormones that can do permanent damage before their old enough to know what they really want, that is evil. Getting your child the care they need to live a happy and fulfilling life is not evil. |
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Post by ivanbalt on Apr 7, 2023 12:13:33 GMT -5
Nobody is stopping them from receiving specialized psychological therapy. Hormone treatments for kids to change their gender? Yes. And good. Because frankly, it's downright despicable and evil. What has changed in society from when kids wanted to be a baseball player or a nurse to wanting to change their sex. Do you really think no kids want to be an athlete or nurse anymore and all just want to change their sex?
Just be patient, Fox News will have a fresh crisis in no time.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 7, 2023 12:18:04 GMT -5
If juveniles aren’t considered mentally developed enough to vote, drink alcohol, consent to sex, or be criminally prosecuted as adults (for most non-violent felonies), why would anyone think they’re mature enough to alter their hormones or their bodies?
It’s hypocrisy how some of the same people who say “trust the science” ignore that slogan when it comes to Trans issues.
I’m definitely not bigoted towards Trans people and don’t want any harm to come to them. But I think adults need to speak up when social changes move ahead of science and common sense…
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 7, 2023 12:24:32 GMT -5
If juveniles aren’t considered mentally developed enough to vote, drink alcohol, consent to sex, or be criminally prosecuted as adults (for most non-violent felonies), why would anyone think they’re mature enough to alter their hormones or their bodies? It’s hypocrisy how some of the same people who say “trust the science” ignore that slogan when it comes to Trans issues. I’m definitely not bigoted towards Trans people and don’t want any harm to come to them. But I think adults need to speak up when social changes move ahead of science and common sense… That's why there are parents. Do you oppose mental health treatment for minors? Or other treatments that alter minds or bodies? The science--meaning peer reviewed research papers looking at results of treatment v no treatment--shows less depression and suicide among the treated. And a simple question: did you not know your gender identity until you were an adult? Really? |
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Post by soulflower on Apr 7, 2023 12:33:17 GMT -5
If juveniles aren’t considered mentally developed enough to vote, drink alcohol, consent to sex, or be criminally prosecuted as adults (for most non-violent felonies), why would anyone think they’re mature enough to alter their hormones or their bodies? It’s hypocrisy how some of the same people who say “trust the science” ignore that slogan when it comes to Trans issues. I’m definitely not bigoted towards Trans people and don’t want any harm to come to them. But I think adults need to speak up when social changes move ahead of science and common sense… That's why there are parents. Do you oppose mental health treatment for minors? Or other treatments that alter minds or bodies? The science--meaning peer reviewed research papers looking at results of treatment v no treatment--shows less depression and suicide among the treated. And a simple question: did you not know your gender identity until you were an adult? Really? Short of medical necessity, I oppose physical alterations or hormone therapy for minors. When they’re legal adults, it’s their Right to do whatever they want to their bodies. There’s just something inconsistent about how we don’t allow juveniles to do so many things yet some are arguing that they’re mature enough to make potentially permanent changes to their bodies. |
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