|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 17, 2024 17:35:33 GMT -5
Instead, the Trumpists are going to bend over backwards in a vain attempt to convince us not to believe our own eyes You mean like when the Whitehouse says, "Economy good!"? GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction, unemployment, are all excellent. Inflation, we’ve way better than our G7 counterparts. Stock market at record highs. Our economy is the envy of the world Your attempt at deflection failed miserably which is also part of the Trumpist pattern that I referred to earlier
|
|
|
Post by vosa on May 17, 2024 18:09:41 GMT -5
So let me see if I understand this...
For over 3 years we've been told that the events of January 6, 2021 put the country in distress and that was bad.
Now we're told that flying the flag upside down on January 17, 2021, which stands for the country being in distress, is a bad thing.
Such is life in Absurdistan.
|
|
|
Post by michiganjoe on May 18, 2024 1:34:04 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by msmaggie on May 18, 2024 7:31:58 GMT -5
You mean like when the Whitehouse says, "Economy good!"? GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction, unemployment, are all excellent. Inflation, we’ve way better than our G7 counterparts. Stock market at record highs. Our economy is the envy of the world Your attempt at deflection failed miserably which is also part of the Trumpist pattern that I referred to earlier The best thing about the economy is wage growth is concentrated in lower economic classes. Finally.
|
|
|
Post by Evil Yoda on May 18, 2024 9:56:38 GMT -5
Why are all the right wing judges hot garbage? Wait... I can guess why. When your sole criteria is political loyalty, and ethics or skill don't factor in much (or maybe at all), you get Thomas and maybe now Alito.
|
|
|
Post by pickle20 on May 18, 2024 10:05:54 GMT -5
Past time for Alito and Thomas to recuse themselves and resign.
|
|
|
Post by vosa on May 18, 2024 12:19:27 GMT -5
You mean like when the Whitehouse says, "Economy good!"? GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction, unemployment, are all excellent. Inflation, we’ve way better than our G7 counterparts. Stock market at record highs. Our economy is the envy of the world Your attempt at deflection failed miserably which is also part of the Trumpist pattern that I referred to earlier When an American goes to checkout at the grocery store or the gas station or gets their heating bill or sits down to balance their checkbook the last thing they are thinking about is GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction and/or unemployment, What they're seeing and thinking about is that expenses are exceeding income. "Similarly, a 2023 Forbes Advisor survey revealed that nearly 70% of respondents either identified as living paycheck to paycheck (40%) or—even more concerning—reported that their income doesn’t even cover their standard expenses (29%)."The congenitally out of touch Biden blows off people's concerns by saying no problem, "They have the money to spend."And well off people like you and Msmaggie buy that BS hook, line and sinker and blithely go about your business thinking "If it ain't happening to me, I can't be happening to anybody."
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 18, 2024 12:31:26 GMT -5
Why are all the right wing judges hot garbage? Wait... I can guess why. When your sole criteria is political loyalty, and ethics or skill don't factor in much (or maybe at all), you get Thomas and maybe now Alito. SO I assume you are OK with Kagan leaving as well, since she was put on the Court with NO judicial experience, after being the Solicitor General and a policy advisor for Clinton...the exact criteria you describe for not being an appropriate appointee. Alito served as a US Attorney and on the Court of Appeals for the 3rd circuit. Thomas served on the Court of Appeals as well. You know...real experience. OTOH, you are at least partially correct. An important, though certainly not the sole criterion, is a belief by the appointer that the appointed Justice shares the constitutional view of the appointer. Unless, of course, you think a President is going to appoint someone who disagrees with the President's constitutional POV, a ridiculous assertion if there ever was one.
|
|
|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 18, 2024 12:45:07 GMT -5
GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction, unemployment, are all excellent. Inflation, we’ve way better than our G7 counterparts. Stock market at record highs. Our economy is the envy of the world Your attempt at deflection failed miserably which is also part of the Trumpist pattern that I referred to earlier When an American goes to checkout at the grocery store or the gas station or gets their heating bill or sits down to balance their checkbook the last thing they are thinking about is GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction and/or unemployment, What they're seeing and thinking about is that expenses are exceeding income. And well off people like you and Msmaggie buy that BS hook, line and sinker and blithely go about your business thinking "If it ain't happening to me, I can't be happening to anybody." That's what is called 'anecdotal' evidence and while I feel for people who are struggling financially, as I have at various points in my life, let's take a moment and look at how this came up. This is a thread about a Supreme Court Justice flying the American flag upside down in an obvious political statement. Furthermore, the upside down flag was adopted as a symbol of the 'stop the steal' movement that ended with their assault on the capitol building. Judges are supposed to be impartial. Alito's actions raise questions about his impartiality especially in the case in which Trump is claiming immunity from alleged criminal acts in the lead up to January 6th. Someone tried to divert attention from this by implying that Biden saying that the economy was good was a lie. Well, there are empirical ways to assess an economy and they have been used for almost a century. Those are, GDP, unemployment, job gains versus job losses, factory construction, manufacturing jobs, durable goods, et cetera. By all those measures we're in a robust recovery from 2020 and are experiencing an economy similar to the one we had in the 1990s (when interest rates were higher, by the way). We had a bout of inflation which has been brought down to around 3 percent. Again, this is empirical data and based on that data we can determine how the United States economy has performed compared to similar economies (the G7). We've done better. These are facts
|
|
|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 18, 2024 12:49:04 GMT -5
Why are all the right wing judges hot garbage? Wait... I can guess why. When your sole criteria is political loyalty, and ethics or skill don't factor in much (or maybe at all), you get Thomas and maybe now Alito. SO I assume you are OK with Kagan leaving as well, since she was put on the Court with NO judicial experience, after being the Solicitor General and a policy advisor for Clinton...the exact criteria you describe for not being an appropriate appointee. That's simply not true. The woman clerked for Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall as well as a U.S. appeals court judge.
|
|
|
Post by vosa on May 18, 2024 12:59:22 GMT -5
When an American goes to checkout at the grocery store or the gas station or gets their heating bill or sits down to balance their checkbook the last thing they are thinking about is GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction and/or unemployment, What they're seeing and thinking about is that expenses are exceeding income. And well off people like you and Msmaggie buy that BS hook, line and sinker and blithely go about your business thinking "If it ain't happening to me, I can't be happening to anybody." That's what is called 'anecdotal' evidence and while I feel for people who are struggling financially, as I have at various points in my life, let's take a moment and look at how this came up. This is a thread about a Supreme Court Justice flying the American flag upside down in an obvious political statement. Furthermore, the upside down flag was adopted as a symbol of the 'stop the steal' movement that ended with their assault on the capitol building. Judges are supposed to be impartial. Alito's actions raise questions about his impartiality especially in the case in which Trump is claiming immunity from alleged criminal acts in the lead up to January 6th. Someone tried to divert attention from this by implying that Biden saying that the economy was good was a lie. Well, there are empirical ways to assess an economy and they have been used for almost a century. Those are, GDP, unemployment, job gains versus job losses, factory construction, manufacturing jobs, durable goods, et cetera. By all those measures we're in a robust recovery from 2020 and are experiencing an economy similar to the one we had in the 1990s (when interest rates were higher, by the way). We had a bout of inflation which has been brought down to around 3 percent. Again, this is empirical data and based on that data we can determine how the United States economy has performed compared to similar economies (the G7). We've done better. These are facts The Forbes survey did not say how many people they surveyed but I hardly think they would publish an article of that type based on anecdotal evidence. Just for the record, how many people have to participate in a survey for you to consider the results not anecdotal? (Note to self: Why bother, you know JIM doesn't answer inconvenient questions.) And you want to pay word games, fine, let's play word games. The economy is doing great. American families are suffering. Those are facts
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 18, 2024 13:21:08 GMT -5
SO I assume you are OK with Kagan leaving as well, since she was put on the Court with NO judicial experience, after being the Solicitor General and a policy advisor for Clinton...the exact criteria you describe for not being an appropriate appointee. That's simply not true. The woman clerked for Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall as well as a U.S. appeals court judge. Oh. She clerked. Well. There you go. A true judicial master. 🙄
|
|
|
Post by alienrace on May 18, 2024 14:22:21 GMT -5
When an American goes to checkout at the grocery store or the gas station or gets their heating bill or sits down to balance their checkbook the last thing they are thinking about is GDP growth, manufacturing jobs, new factory construction and/or unemployment, What they're seeing and thinking about is that expenses are exceeding income. And well off people like you and Msmaggie buy that BS hook, line and sinker and blithely go about your business thinking "If it ain't happening to me, I can't be happening to anybody." That's what is called 'anecdotal' evidence and while I feel for people who are struggling financially, as I have at various points in my life, let's take a moment and look at how this came up. This is a thread about a Supreme Court Justice flying the American flag upside down in an obvious political statement. Furthermore, the upside down flag was adopted as a symbol of the 'stop the steal' movement that ended with their assault on the capitol building. Judges are supposed to be impartial. Alito's actions raise questions about his impartiality especially in the case in which Trump is claiming immunity from alleged criminal acts in the lead up to January 6th. Someone tried to divert attention from this by implying that Biden saying that the economy was good was a lie. Well, there are empirical ways to assess an economy and they have been used for almost a century. Those are, GDP, unemployment, job gains versus job losses, factory construction, manufacturing jobs, durable goods, et cetera. By all those measures we're in a robust recovery from 2020 and are experiencing an economy similar to the one we had in the 1990s (when interest rates were higher, by the way). We had a bout of inflation which has been brought down to around 3 percent. Again, this is empirical data and based on that data we can determine how the United States economy has performed compared to similar economies (the G7). We've done better. These are facts I wasn't diverting the thread, I was pointing out your hypocrisy. YOU on the otherhand took that and ran with a defense that lasted a page. This is what we call a self own
|
|
|
Post by Evil Yoda on May 18, 2024 14:29:08 GMT -5
OTOH, you are at least partially correct. An important, though certainly not the sole criterion, is a belief by the appointer that the appointed Justice shares the constitutional view of the appointer. Unless, of course, you think a President is going to appoint someone who disagrees with the President's constitutional POV, a ridiculous assertion if there ever was one. I don't expect a President to exclude ideology. What I do expect is that ethics will matter. The GOP chooses *only* for ideology, based on what we see. Clarence Thomas was a sock puppet for Scalia for years. His sole criterion for decision making appears to be "does it match my politics" unless there is also a dose of "did I get paid" in there as well. Alito looks more and more like some kind of whack-a-doodle. How are these men the best we could do?
|
|
|
Post by msmaggie on May 18, 2024 14:36:24 GMT -5
Why are all the right wing judges hot garbage? Wait... I can guess why. When your sole criteria is political loyalty, and ethics or skill don't factor in much (or maybe at all), you get Thomas and maybe now Alito. SO I assume you are OK with Kagan leaving as well, since she was put on the Court with NO judicial experience, after being the Solicitor General and a policy advisor for Clinton...the exact criteria you describe for not being an appropriate appointee. Alito served as a US Attorney and on the Court of Appeals for the 3rd circuit. Thomas served on the Court of Appeals as well. You know...real experience. OTOH, you are at least partially correct. An important, though certainly not the sole criterion, is a belief by the appointer that the appointed Justice shares the constitutional view of the appointer. Unless, of course, you think a President is going to appoint someone who disagrees with the President's constitutional POV, a ridiculous assertion if there ever was one. There have been many SC judges with no prior judicial experience. Including many with distinguished records on the Court. supreme.findlaw.com/supreme_court/justices/nopriorexp.htmlPresidents of course have the prerogative to appoint people who share their POV. The issue with Thomas and apparently Alito is that they sit on cases where they should recuse themselves.
|
|
|
Post by zenwalk on May 18, 2024 16:52:02 GMT -5
As well as getting treats for performing tricks for their corporate masters.
I wish Ishmael would be as avid finding fault with guilty parties as he is with seeking shade for them.
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 18, 2024 17:03:36 GMT -5
As well as getting treats for performing tricks for their corporate masters. I wish Ishmael would be as avid finding fault with guilty parties as he is with seeking shade for them. My wish for you is that you find the door out of the basement and start to enjoy some sunshine again.
|
|
|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 18, 2024 17:24:04 GMT -5
That's simply not true. The woman clerked for Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall as well as a U.S. appeals court judge. Oh. She clerked. Well. There you go. A true judicial master. 🙄 How to say, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" without actually saying, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do"
|
|
|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 18, 2024 17:25:49 GMT -5
SO I assume you are OK with Kagan leaving as well, since she was put on the Court with NO judicial experience, after being the Solicitor General and a policy advisor for Clinton...the exact criteria you describe for not being an appropriate appointee. Alito served as a US Attorney and on the Court of Appeals for the 3rd circuit. Thomas served on the Court of Appeals as well. You know...real experience. OTOH, you are at least partially correct. An important, though certainly not the sole criterion, is a belief by the appointer that the appointed Justice shares the constitutional view of the appointer. Unless, of course, you think a President is going to appoint someone who disagrees with the President's constitutional POV, a ridiculous assertion if there ever was one. There have been many SC judges with no prior judicial experience. Including many with distinguished records on the Court. supreme.findlaw.com/supreme_court/justices/nopriorexp.htmlPresidents of course have the prerogative to appoint people who share their POV. The issue with Thomas and apparently Alito is that they sit on cases where they should recuse themselves. For starters. Thomas' failure to disclose substantial financial gifts and his wife's role in organizations that routinely submit briefs to the court is a GIGANTIC ethical problem.
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 18, 2024 19:25:15 GMT -5
Oh. She clerked. Well. There you go. A true judicial master. 🙄 How to say, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" without actually saying, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with?
|
|
|
Post by msmaggie on May 19, 2024 6:14:18 GMT -5
How to say, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" without actually saying, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with? You still contending Kagan shouldn't be on the Court because of her CV?
|
|
|
Post by JoyinMudville on May 19, 2024 7:55:58 GMT -5
SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with? You still contending Kagan shouldn't be on the Court because of her CV? Anything to deflect from the ethical train wrecks that are Alito and Thomas
|
|
|
Post by msmaggie on May 19, 2024 8:57:11 GMT -5
You still contending Kagan shouldn't be on the Court because of her CV? Anything to deflect from the ethical train wrecks that are Alito and Thomas It's ludicrous the SC doesn't have the same rules that lower courts do to curtail this kind of behavior.
|
|
|
Post by cameron on May 19, 2024 9:07:50 GMT -5
How to say, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" without actually saying, "I don't know what SCOTUS clerks do" SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with? So . . . Do you have any comment at all about the flag flying upside down outside Alito's house?
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 19, 2024 9:16:19 GMT -5
SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with? You still contending Kagan shouldn't be on the Court because of her CV? Kagan has EVERY right to be on the Court. She was appointed in a constitutional manner and confirmed by the Senate. My point is that she is like every Justice before her; she adheres to a constitutional view that parallels her appointer. That she is (far) less qualified than most doesn't reduce her right to be there. Alito, Thomas each do the same thing and were appointed under the same circumstances. Why it is that when conservative Justices decide cases that align with their view of the Constitution, the very view that got them there, they are evil , but when liberal Justices follow the same course, they are (supposedly) great legal minds?
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 19, 2024 9:17:10 GMT -5
Anything to deflect from the ethical train wrecks that are Alito and Thomas It's ludicrous the SC doesn't have the same rules that lower courts do to curtail this kind of behavior. Or even more strenuous.
|
|
|
Post by ishmael on May 19, 2024 9:20:46 GMT -5
SCOTUS clerks do a wide range of research into the arguments put forth by the presenting attorneys, including the cases cited, the precedents surrounding those cases, the constitutional relevance of the arguments and likely form an initial recommendation for the Justices' consideration. Anything else I can help you with? So . . . Do you have any comment at all about the flag flying upside down outside Alito's house? Don't really care. I am interested in how he decides cases before him. For instance, I agree with him in Dobbs in that abortion to be decided by the States and the People, not the Court.
|
|
|
Post by cameron on May 19, 2024 9:26:26 GMT -5
So . . . Do you have any comment at all about the flag flying upside down outside Alito's house? Don't really care. I am interested in how he decides cases before him. For instance, I agree with him in Dobbs in that abortion to be decided by the States and the People, not the Court. The people? Dobbs took the decision away from the people and gave it to the states.
|
|
|
Post by vosa on May 19, 2024 9:36:52 GMT -5
Don't really care. I am interested in how he decides cases before him. For instance, I agree with him in Dobbs in that abortion to be decided by the States and the People, not the Court. The people? Dobbs took the decision away from the people and gave it to the states. Don't people live in states? There are 341,814,420 people in the U.S. There are 6,177,224 in Maryland, my state. A person, pro or anti abortion, can have more impact if they are 1 out of 6,177,224 than if they are 1 out of 341,814,420. If you're pro abortion and want to have the most impact on abortion law you should welcome moving the decision from the federal to the state level.
|
|
|
Post by msmaggie on May 19, 2024 9:57:15 GMT -5
You still contending Kagan shouldn't be on the Court because of her CV? Kagan has EVERY right to be on the Court. She was appointed in a constitutional manner and confirmed by the Senate. My point is that she is like every Justice before her; she adheres to a constitutional view that parallels her appointer. That she is (far) less qualified than most doesn't reduce her right to be there. Alito, Thomas each do the same thing and were appointed under the same circumstances. Why it is that when conservative Justices decide cases that align with their view of the Constitution, the very view that got them there, they are evil , but when liberal Justices follow the same course, they are (supposedly) great legal minds? Thomas and Alito have accepted gifts from wealthy far right donors--unreported, poor things had no idea this stuff had to be reported!!- and not recused themselves from cases involving those same donors. Thomas' wife is knee deep in Stop the Steal yet he refuses to recuse himself from cases involving that movement. And now Alito. He claims his wife put this upside down flag out in response to a neighbor's sign "F*** Trump". Pretty clearly indicating support of Trump! Which is completely inappropriate for a SC judge, particularly one deciding cases directly involving Trump. Flag was up for 3 days. Alito claims he had no knowledge of it and blames his wife. What a guy. Throw your wife under the bus. Coward.
|
|