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Post by workerbee on Feb 2, 2023 9:50:16 GMT -5
Oh, to be in the room where it happens. The nominating room for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Those debates must be fiery.
Should we recognize hard rockers Iron Maiden and Rage Against the Machine again and again? Is Willie Nelson really rock 'n' roll? We need more women candidates, whom do you recommend besides Kate Bush for the fourth time? This year, the anonymous nominating committee* named 14 finalists, which were announced Wednesday. Last year, there were 17 candidates and typically 15 in most years.
Eight of the 14 nominees are first timers, with Missy Elliott and the White Stripes landing on the ballot in their first year of eligibility (which occurs 25 years after the release of their first record).
More than 1,000 people — Hall of Fame inductees, music executives, scholars and critics, including me — vote, for a maximum of five nominees. There are no write-ins. There is no longer ranked voting, a policy abandoned a few years back. The public can register its opinions at rockhall.com but the impact of their vote is limited.
This year's slate is full of solid contenders but few shoo-ins. At first blush, here are the chances of these candidates getting the call to the hall.
Kate Bush Sheryl Crow (first). Missy Elliott (first). Iron Maiden (second). Joy Division/New Order (first). Cyndi Lauper (first). George Michael (first). Willie Nelson first). Rage Against the Machine (fifth). Soundgarden (second). The Spinners (fourth). The White Stripes (first). Warren Zevon (first).
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Post by pickle20 on Feb 2, 2023 11:11:26 GMT -5
If it were up to me, I'd go:
Joy Division/New Order George Michael Rage Against the Machine Soundgarden Cyndi Lauper
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 11:18:05 GMT -5
I'd like to see the current list, I feel like many not mentioned are missing
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Post by Rael on Feb 3, 2023 10:57:27 GMT -5
I think likely:
George Michael Sheryl Crow Cyndi Lauper Warren Zevon (maybe)
The only one I really liked (and yes I know it is an acquired taste):
Kate Bush
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Post by alienrace on Feb 3, 2023 12:56:42 GMT -5
My five and the case for them (not necessarily basing this on whether I personally like them or not):
Iron Maiden - Pinnacle of metal and musicianship throughout the 80's and beyond. Strong discography into the 90's. George Michael - Huge hits as a member of Wham and as a solo artist. Hard to mention the 80's without speaking of him. Soundgarden - Most diverse and skilled of the grunge era bands, and a lot of big hits. Was able to make heavy/doom music mainstream. Joy Division/New Order - Synonymous with the post punk era and ushered in electronic rock along with Ministry. The White Stripes - Maybe one of the last known bands of mainstream "true" rock music. Had some big hits, and were the best known of the retro stripped down bands of the time.
The rest (and I know some of my reasons are invalid due to who is currently in the hall, but I'll stand by it):
Kate Bush - Not really rock. She's an eccentric prog pop artist. The Spinners - I honestly don't know anything about them. I assume they were long before my time. Rage Against the Machine - Far too much repetition and sameness in much of their music. Warren Zevon - one hit wonder for the most part. Can anyone really name anything other than "Werewolves of London"? Willie Nelson - Simply not rock. Belongs in the Country HOF. Sheryl Crow - Wouldn't consider her rock. Maybe Folk. Missy Elliot - C'mon man, assuredly not rock. Cindi Lauper - Let's call her a two-hit wonder. Just not that significant.
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Post by pickle20 on Feb 3, 2023 13:36:16 GMT -5
The RNRHOF hasn’t really been a strict RNRHOF for a while now. It’s pretty much a popular music HOF.
As much as I didn’t like Missy Elliott She was probably the most popular rap artist for a good five year stretch. But I was just never a fan.
I think Lauper also had more than just 2 hits. She was also a big deal, maybe the most popular pop star for a couple years before Madonna stole her thunder.
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Post by pickle20 on Feb 3, 2023 13:38:35 GMT -5
If we’re holding lack of commercial success against people, did Iron Maiden ever have a hit? I know they were a popular metal band and I’ve heard of them since forever but I don’t think I know a single song. You can’t say that about other metal bands from the era.
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Post by alienrace on Feb 3, 2023 13:56:08 GMT -5
If we’re holding lack of commercial success against people, did Iron Maiden ever have a hit? Number of the Beast sold nearly 20 million copies alone. They had a string of platinum albums through the 80's and went on huge tours with Scorpions, Judas Priest, etc. They've sold over 130 million albums in total. Still considered to be one of the most important and influential metal bands of all time, I'd say their resume blows away most of the others on the list. It's not just commercial success IMO, it is impact, influence, cultural significance, etc.
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Post by alienrace on Feb 3, 2023 14:00:46 GMT -5
I think Lauper also had more than just 2 hits. She was also a big deal, maybe the most popular pop star for a couple years before Madonna stole her thunder. Yeah - you're right about that, I had forgotten some things about her. She is certainly worthy of consideration.
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Post by alienrace on Feb 3, 2023 14:02:49 GMT -5
The RNRHOF hasn’t really been a strict RNRHOF for a while now. It’s pretty much a popular music HOF. Yeah, that's why I prefaced what I said with "I know some of my reasons are invalid based on who is in there". They really should have kept it Rock (and Roll) and if these other genres needed to be enshrined they should either rename it, or have some other halls
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Post by Rael on Feb 3, 2023 14:39:57 GMT -5
My five and the case for them (not necessarily basing this on whether I personally like them or not): Iron Maiden - Pinnacle of metal and musicianship throughout the 80's and beyond. Strong discography into the 90's. George Michael - Huge hits as a member of Wham and as a solo artist. Hard to mention the 80's without speaking of him. Soundgarden - Most diverse and skilled of the grunge era bands, and a lot of big hits. Was able to make heavy/doom music mainstream. Joy Division/New Order - Synonymous with the post punk era and ushered in electronic rock along with Ministry. The White Stripes - Maybe one of the last known bands of mainstream "true" rock music. Had some big hits, and were the best known of the retro stripped down bands of the time. The rest (and I know some of my reasons are invalid due to who is currently in the hall, but I'll stand by it): Kate Bush - Not really rock. She's an eccentric prog pop artist. The Spinners - I honestly don't know anything about them. I assume they were long before my time. Rage Against the Machine - Far too much repetition and sameness in much of their music. Warren Zevon - one hit wonder for the most part. Can anyone really name anything other than "Werewolves of London"? Willie Nelson - Simply not rock. Belongs in the Country HOF. Sheryl Crow - Wouldn't consider her rock. Maybe Folk. Missy Elliot - C'mon man, assuredly not rock. Cindi Lauper - Let's call her a two-hit wonder. Just not that significant. So prog isn't rock now? No King Crimson, no Yes, no Genesis, no (stretching the definition) Pink Floyd in the hall? I know you are younger but come on man... Have some respect for the elders.
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Post by alienrace on Feb 3, 2023 15:05:10 GMT -5
So prog isn't rock now? No King Crimson, no Yes, no Genesis, no (stretching the definition) Pink Floyd in the hall? I know you are younger but come on man... Have some respect for the elders. LOL. Well, obviously prog rock is a thing, I just didn't really think she was ever considered rock, more pop/folk? I admit I don't know much of her music that well. Love Yes, King Crimson. Rush is one of my top five bands of all time, as is Pink Floyd. I wrestle between Pink Floyd, Rush, or Black Sabbath being my #1. My wife's favorite is hands down Pink Floyd. She hates Rush though, lol. (Doesn't every chick hate Rush?)
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Post by Rael on Feb 3, 2023 15:13:53 GMT -5
So prog isn't rock now? No King Crimson, no Yes, no Genesis, no (stretching the definition) Pink Floyd in the hall? I know you are younger but come on man... Have some respect for the elders. LOL. Well, obviously prog rock is a thing, I just didn't really think she was ever considered rock, more pop/folk? I admit I don't know much of her music that well. Love Yes, King Crimson. Rush is one of my top five bands of all time, as is Pink Floyd. I wrestle between Pink Floyd, Rush, or Black Sabbath being my #1. My wife's favorite is hands down Pink Floyd. She hates Rush though, lol. (Doesn't every chick hate Rush?) generally when I'm blaring 2112 and my wife walks through the door, I get "the look".
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Post by ivanbalt on Feb 6, 2023 7:56:23 GMT -5
As I said last year, the Rock and Roll HOF should cease to exist if Iron Maiden does not get in.
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