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Post by pickle20 on Apr 15, 2024 13:43:30 GMT -5
I don't condone violence but love to see Georgians standing up for themselves and their sovereignty. I'd really like to visit Tbilisi one day, too. The food and wine culture is amazing.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 13:48:11 GMT -5
I don't condone violence but love to see Georgians standing up for themselves and their sovereignty. I'd really like to visit Tbilisi one day, too. The food and wine culture is amazing. There's no "but". Violence in Congress or Parliament shouldn't be condoned or cheered on. It also seems hypocritical to me to see Liberals cheer on political violence in other countries after what we experienced on January 6th, 2021. I don't care if you support their cause. Georgia is a democracy. They can peacefully resolve their differences on the legislation or just block it from passing.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 15, 2024 13:50:24 GMT -5
I don't condone violence but love to see Georgians standing up for themselves and their sovereignty. I'd really like to visit Tbilisi one day, too. The food and wine culture is amazing. There's no "but". Violence in Congress or Parliament shouldn't be condoned or cheered on. It also seems hypocritical to me to see Liberals cheer on political violence in other countries after what we experienced on January 6th, 2021. I don't care if you support their cause. Georgia is a democracy. They can peacefully resolve their differences on the legislation or just block it from passing. Yes, there is a but. I can support Georgia's sovereignty and freedom but condone violence. The same way I can support the BLM protests but criticize the violence. It's easy to do actually.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:00:45 GMT -5
This is the thuggish behavior that Joy is defending. He’s lost his sense of what “democracy” means: I haven't defended anything. I'm just noting that there are a fresh round of anti-Russian protests in Georgia. You just can't stand the idea that people might not want to be under Moscow's boot
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:02:16 GMT -5
There's no "but". Violence in Congress or Parliament shouldn't be condoned or cheered on. It also seems hypocritical to me to see Liberals cheer on political violence in other countries after what we experienced on January 6th, 2021. I don't care if you support their cause. Georgia is a democracy. They can peacefully resolve their differences on the legislation or just block it from passing. Yes, there is a but. I can support Georgia's sovereignty and freedom but condone violence. The same way I can support the BLM protests but criticize the violence. It's easy to do actually. I hate to keep going back to this but how is a proposed law blocking foreign money from meddling in Georgia's politics a threat to their sovereignty? Is there some sort of exception for Russian money that I'm unaware of? I don't understand why it's such a contentious issue in Georgia. (Thank you for engaging in civil discussion unlike the guy who can't control his emotions)
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:15:28 GMT -5
FYI, any posts citing quotes of other posters without linking to the original post/thread will be deleted.
Misquoting or editing other members' posts is not allowed and we're not able to confirm that the poster wasn't misquoted if we don't know which thread/post the original is in.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:23:10 GMT -5
It was already explained to you but you would rather be dishonest I asked an honest question to Pickle, not you. I posted an in depth article answering the question you have raised. Which you also raised last year a couple of hours after the Kremlin brought it up
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:30:19 GMT -5
I asked an honest question to Pickle, not you. I posted an in depth article answering the question you have raised. Which you also raised last year a couple of hours after the Kremlin brought it up Unlike you, I don't have a dog in the fight and don't care whether the legislation passes or not. Georgia is a democracy. I trust their representatives to decide for themselves democratically whether or not to move forward with the legislation. However, I don't understand why banning foreign money from meddling in Georgia's politics is such a big deal given how I thought you, of all people, oppose foreign meddling in politics. How can you NOT see the irony in opposing a law that prohibits foreign money from influencing Georgia's politics??
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:33:17 GMT -5
Here we go, just for Soulflower
Anyone doubting that Soulflower routinely spreads pro-Russian/anti Western propaganda only needs to spend a little time looking at the posts of his 'sources'
Soul, obviously upset over anti-Russian sentiment in Georgia, posted from a site called DD Geopolitics.
Let's look at what else they've have to say.
Of course, for Putin and his fellow stooges, February 24 2022 was the glorious day when Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine
Note the phrase "He'd rather be a slave to the west"
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:36:56 GMT -5
I posted an in depth article answering the question you have raised. Which you also raised last year a couple of hours after the Kremlin brought it up Unlike you, I don't have a dog in the fight and don't care whether the legislation passes or not. Georgia is a democracy. I trust their representatives to decide for themselves democratically whether or not to move forward with the legislation. However, I don't understand why banning foreign money from meddling in Georgia's politics is such a big deal given how I thought you, of all people, oppose foreign meddling in politics. How can you NOT see the irony in opposing a law that prohibits foreign money from influencing Georgia's politics?? I trust the people of Georgia and don't fall for random tweets from the troll farm. Again, all one has to do is to check who on twitter is pushing this false 'it's just like FARA' narrative to see that you do indeed have a dog in this fight.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:38:36 GMT -5
Here we go, just for Soulflower Anyone doubting that Soulflower routinely spreads pro-Russian/anti Western propaganda only needs to spend a little time looking at the posts of his 'sources' Soul, obviously upset over anti-Russian sentiment in Georgia, posted from a site called DD Geopolitics. Soulflower is not upset about what's happening in Georgia. Soulflower is perplexed to see Joy cheering on political violence in a democratic country. If Georgia were a dictatorship, I'd give you a pass. Also, I don't follow that account. It just showed up in my Twitter/X feed and I wanted to share the video so you could see how "thuggish" the incident was. Here's more Tweets from other accounts that are discussing the story:
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:43:31 GMT -5
Here we go, just for Soulflower Anyone doubting that Soulflower routinely spreads pro-Russian/anti Western propaganda only needs to spend a little time looking at the posts of his 'sources' Soul, obviously upset over anti-Russian sentiment in Georgia, posted from a site called DD Geopolitics. Soulflower is not upset about what's happening in Georgia. Soulflower is perplexed to see Joy cheering on political violence in a democratic country. If Georgia were a dictatorship, I'd give you a pass. Also, I don't follow that account. It just showed up in my Twitter/X feed and I wanted to share the video so you could see how "thuggish" the incident was. 1. Of course it showed up on your twitter feed. That's the way algorithms work which is why you get a steady stream of pro-Russian/anti Western propaganda 2. You can try all you want but I'm not cheering anything on.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:43:43 GMT -5
Unlike you, I don't have a dog in the fight and don't care whether the legislation passes or not. Georgia is a democracy. I trust their representatives to decide for themselves democratically whether or not to move forward with the legislation. However, I don't understand why banning foreign money from meddling in Georgia's politics is such a big deal given how I thought you, of all people, oppose foreign meddling in politics. How can you NOT see the irony in opposing a law that prohibits foreign money from influencing Georgia's politics?? I trust the people of Georgia and don't fall for random tweets from the troll farm. Again, all one has to do is to check who on twitter is pushing this false 'it's just like FARA' narrative to see that you do indeed have a dog in this fight. I actually read the articles describing the proposed law and thought it sounded similar to our FARA law. I didn't know about the brawl before seeing your update to this thread.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:46:15 GMT -5
Soulflower is not upset about what's happening in Georgia. Soulflower is perplexed to see Joy cheering on political violence in a democratic country. If Georgia were a dictatorship, I'd give you a pass. Also, I don't follow that account. It just showed up in my Twitter/X feed and I wanted to share the video so you could see how "thuggish" the incident was. 1. Of course it showed up on your twitter feed. That's the way algorithms work which is why you get a steady stream of pro-Russian/anti Western propaganda 2. You can try all you want but I'm not cheering anything on. 1 - I get a steady stream of pro-Ukraine stuff too on Twitter. Honestly, even under Musk's leadership, I get more pro-Ukraine stuff in my Twitter/X feed than pro-Russia. It's like a 10-1 advantage for Ukraine on Twitter.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -5
I trust the people of Georgia and don't fall for random tweets from the troll farm. Again, all one has to do is to check who on twitter is pushing this false 'it's just like FARA' narrative to see that you do indeed have a dog in this fight. I actually read how the articles describing the proposed law and thought it sounded similar to our FARA law. I didn't know about the brawl before seeing your update to this thread. Because I posted a politico and Al Jazeera article? Don't make me laugh. Meanwhile, let's take a closer look at the source of what you were spreading because it sheds so much light on your 'worldview'
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 15, 2024 14:51:36 GMT -5
Yes, there is a but. I can support Georgia's sovereignty and freedom but condone violence. The same way I can support the BLM protests but criticize the violence. It's easy to do actually. I hate to keep going back to this but how is a proposed law blocking foreign money from meddling in Georgia's politics a threat to their sovereignty? Is there some sort of exception for Russian money that I'm unaware of? I don't understand why it's such a contentious issue in Georgia. (Thank you for engaging in civil discussion unlike the guy who can't control his emotions) Jared Kushner is an example of why this type of law is a very good idea. The only difference between Georgia and here is that we probably have the veneer of law forbidding foreign influence in our elections. We just choose to ignore it. And if dark money allows the flow of foreign money then it's way overdue for a change when Georgia is more advanced than we are in these matters.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 14:57:44 GMT -5
I actually read how the articles describing the proposed law and thought it sounded similar to our FARA law. No need to put your tin-foil hat on. I didn't know about the brawl before seeing your update to this thread. Because I posted a politico and Al Jazeera article? Don't make me laugh. Meanwhile, let's take a closer look at the source of what you were spreading because it sheds so much light on your 'worldview'
[/b] I may be wasting my time but it's not a waste of time to clarify things for others: My worldview is shaped by my life experiences, movies and docs, books I've read, places I've traveled, etc. The news and opinions that I come across on Twitter at worst, confirm my political biases. (Confirmation bias) For me, it's far easier to find people who share my criticisms of US foreign policy on Twitter or Youtube, than in the traditional news media. Social media, like Talk Radio in the past, is just a big echo chamber. Subgroups of people who have unconventional or heterodox opinions can more easily find others with similar opinions via social media. It's fine if you support the opposition to the Georgia law. But the questions I asked should've been obvious. Lots of countries have laws that limit or outright ban foreign money in politics.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 14:57:47 GMT -5
The U.S. Ambassador to Georgia
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Post by summer23 on Apr 15, 2024 15:02:36 GMT -5
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Post by summer23 on Apr 15, 2024 15:05:31 GMT -5
This is the thuggish behavior that Joy is defending. He’s lost his sense of what “democracy” means: If people in Georgia’s parliament disagree with the legislation, they should vote against it. But political violence in democratic countries should not be condoned. You normally tell us that we should stay out of foreign issues. It's none of our business how others choose to conduct their affairs.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 15, 2024 15:08:43 GMT -5
The guy that was hit should have walked away as should have all the others. That's what is expected when one is attacked.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 15:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Apr 15, 2024 16:05:18 GMT -5
This is the thuggish behavior that Joy is defending. He’s lost his sense of what “democracy” means: If people in Georgia’s parliament disagree with the legislation, they should vote against it. But political violence in democratic countries should not be condoned. You normally tell us that we should stay out of foreign issues. It's none of our business how others choose to conduct their affairs. Point me to where I endorsed overthrowing or sanctioning Georgia's government. I don't recall arguing for US intervention. I simply expressed my opinion about something that happened today in Georgia. Do I need your permission?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 15, 2024 16:21:27 GMT -5
arrests are reportedly being made in Georgia at the moment
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 16, 2024 1:12:04 GMT -5
From yesterday. I don't fully understand the nuances but anti-Russian sentiment seems to remain high among some quarters, especially after Russia invaded and annexed a big chunk of Georgia.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 16, 2024 6:22:25 GMT -5
You normally tell us that we should stay out of foreign issues. It's none of our business how others choose to conduct their affairs. Point me to where I endorsed overthrowing or sanctioning Georgia's government. I don't recall arguing for US intervention. I simply expressed my opinion about something that happened today in Georgia. Do I need your permission? If only it was really that simple! No, Moderator, you do not need my permission. About posting your rules for all to see - might you be doing that soon?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 17, 2024 12:55:22 GMT -5
I can't vouch for this person but it is very hard to get timely footage from what's happening in Georgia
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Post by soulflower on Apr 17, 2024 13:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 17, 2024 14:49:20 GMT -5
Incredible
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 19, 2024 15:00:00 GMT -5
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