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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 6:42:17 GMT -5
Germany is debating whether to ban the far-Right Alternative for Germany (AfD) as the party surges to 21 per cent in the polls, amid warnings from intelligence officials that its members are becoming increasingly extremewww.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/Banning political parties seems anti-democratic and what’s the point? You can ban a party but you can’t ban their ideas.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 14, 2023 7:38:10 GMT -5
Maybe they can team up with the maga crowd and start the New Axis.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 7:48:08 GMT -5
Maybe the people in Germany who dislike this party could beat them by pushing policies that Germans want? (I’m thinking of Germany’s Green party. They’re Liberal not far-Left like our Green party)
We’re living in this weird time in the West where political leaders don’t think they should have to respond to what voters want.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 14, 2023 7:57:54 GMT -5
Maybe the people in Germany who dislike this party could beat them by pushing policies that Germans want? (I’m thinking of Germany’s Green party. They’re Liberal not far-Left like our Green party) We’re living in this weird time in the West where political leaders don’t think they should have to respond to what voters want. Not sure if banning this party is the answer, but you have to understand Germany's caution considering the genocide committed by the far right the last time they were in charge.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 7:58:00 GMT -5
Maybe the people in Germany who dislike this party could beat them by pushing policies that Germans want? (I’m thinking of Germany’s Green party. They’re Liberal not far-Left like our Green party) We’re living in this weird time in the West where political leaders don’t think they should have to respond to what voters want. I can't speak to Germany, but here in the US a significant portion of the population wants to do away with the constitution and democracy to get their guy in power and keep him there.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 8:07:31 GMT -5
Maybe the people in Germany who dislike this party could beat them by pushing policies that Germans want? (I’m thinking of Germany’s Green party. They’re Liberal not far-Left like our Green party) We’re living in this weird time in the West where political leaders don’t think they should have to respond to what voters want. Not sure if banning this party is the answer, but you have to understand Germany's caution considering the genocide committed by the far right the last time they were in charge. Maybe they shouldn’t want to follow the example of the Nazis by banning political parties? Also, you can ban parties but not rightwing ideas. Better to face the issues head on than try to suppress bad ideas.
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 14, 2023 9:47:23 GMT -5
Not sure if banning this party is the answer, but you have to understand Germany's caution considering the genocide committed by the far right the last time they were in charge. Maybe they shouldn’t want to follow the example of the Nazis by banning political parties? Also, you can ban parties but not rightwing ideas. Better to face the issues head on than try to suppress bad ideas. I get it, but with Germany it's a little more than just a thought exercise considering their history.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 9:49:53 GMT -5
Maybe they shouldn’t want to follow the example of the Nazis by banning political parties? Also, you can ban parties but not rightwing ideas. Better to face the issues head on than try to suppress bad ideas. I get it, but with Germany it's a little more than just a thought exercise considering their history. Lemme guess, their right-wing party blames migrants for their problems.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 10:16:56 GMT -5
I get it, but with Germany it's a little more than just a thought exercise considering their history. Lemme guess, their right-wing party blames migrants for their problems. Anti-Immigration and anti-Muslim I guess. To preserve democracy, it’s best to defeat these ideas at the ballot-box. Banning them would only feed into their victimhood narrative.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 15, 2023 6:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Aug 19, 2023 9:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Sept 1, 2023 7:36:03 GMT -5
It looks like Olaf Scholz's party will stay in the lead but the far-right AfD party is in second-place.
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Post by alienrace on Sept 1, 2023 11:11:19 GMT -5
Germany and much of Europe seems to have not learned from history. If they don't address the reasons extremist parties gain traction it's just a matter of time before we have the next Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin.
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Post by soulflower on Sept 1, 2023 11:31:39 GMT -5
Germany and much of Europe seems to have not learned from history. If they don't address the reasons extremist parties gain traction it's just a matter of time before we have the next Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin. Yeah, Germany is in recession and there could be more economic turbulence ahead for other European countries. Which will feed into the feelings of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiments.
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Post by ivanbalt on Sept 1, 2023 11:38:18 GMT -5
Germany and much of Europe seems to have not learned from history. If they don't address the reasons extremist parties gain traction it's just a matter of time before we have the next Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin. Yeah, Germany is in recession and there could be more economic turbulence ahead for other European countries. Which will feed into the feelings of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiments. Meanwhile in the US, people have these feelings even when the economy is good...
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Post by soulflower on Sept 1, 2023 11:46:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Germany is in recession and there could be more economic turbulence ahead for other European countries. Which will feed into the feelings of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiments. Meanwhile in the US, people have these feelings even when the economy is good... Nationalism is still pretty fringe in politics on our side of the pond. As hard as Tucker Carlson tries, I don't think his attempt to push the GOP in the direction of Christian Nationalism will gain much political traction. In Europe and many other parts of the world, nationalism is a mainstream political movement and it seems to be on the rise (again) in Europe.
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Post by pickle20 on Sept 1, 2023 13:42:14 GMT -5
Nationalism makes morse sense in Europe than here. We can't "lose America" because America has never been anything other than a melting pot of cultures, beliefs and religions. In Poland, the people are polish the culture is polish. Same thing in France, or Spain, or Italy and even in many of those countries there are regions with their own unique culture and languages. I can understand the fear of "France no longer being France" but where does that get you? Alienated immigrants who come to despise you and attack you. It's almost to the point of taking a stand to save your country only speeds up the destruction of it.
Not to mention, it's fighting a losing war. Lower birthrates here and in other countries will speed up demographic takeovers by immigrants.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 5, 2023 9:11:05 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 9:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by alienrace on Apr 23, 2024 14:12:39 GMT -5
Germany's Net Zero initiatives are destroying their economy. Won't end well.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 14:49:15 GMT -5
Germany's Net Zero initiatives are destroying their economy. Won't end well. The Greens and Center-Left in Germany don't seem to care much about public opinion and that's part of the problem.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 14:58:07 GMT -5
German youth look like they intend to repeat history.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 15:22:11 GMT -5
German youth look like they intend to repeat history. I hope not
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Post by pickle20 on May 6, 2024 12:37:35 GMT -5
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