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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 5:32:58 GMT -5
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Post by michiganjoe on Aug 31, 2023 5:59:34 GMT -5
That's a pretty significant change. Joe was always going to follow the recommendations of HHS and they were never going to advocate for outright legalization.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 6:06:10 GMT -5
That's a pretty significant change. Joe was always going to follow the recommendations of HHS and they were never going to advocate for outright legalization. Which is pretty indefensible at this point. Several States have legalized cannabis and had few if any problems so far. And even States where cannabis is still illegal allow synthetic cannabis to be sold. What are to they waiting for?
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Post by ivanbalt on Aug 31, 2023 6:11:32 GMT -5
Seems like common sense.
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Post by cowboyz on Aug 31, 2023 6:31:32 GMT -5
It's not legal in VA yet and I smell it at so many places. People just getn high everywhere.
*Edit - you can have up to an ounce (without being arrested) but you still can't purchase it recreationally but no worries, DC and MD have us covered.
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Post by upstream on Aug 31, 2023 6:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 31, 2023 6:40:41 GMT -5
I’m kinda fine with this being a state issue. But possession should be decriminalized across the board.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 7:03:49 GMT -5
I’m kinda fine with this being a state issue. But possession should be decriminalized across the board. Why? If Alcohol, Tobacco, and Percocet are legal, why shouldn’t cannabis be fully legal? People who use it for medical reasons shouldn’t be punished if they travel with it to other States where it’s illegal.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 31, 2023 7:48:18 GMT -5
I’m kinda fine with this being a state issue. But possession should be decriminalized across the board. Why? If Alcohol, Tobacco, and Percocet are legal, why shouldn’t cannabis be fully legal? People who use it for medical reasons shouldn’t be punished if they travel with it to other States where it’s illegal. Which is why I said possession shouldn't be a crime. States have different alcohol laws too. It's not an across the board thing on a federal level aside from being legal. I have no issue with federal legalization, don't get me wrong, but I also don't have an issue with states having their own laws on the books too.
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Post by michiganjoe on Aug 31, 2023 7:49:33 GMT -5
People who use it for medical reasons shouldn’t be punished if they travel with it to other States where it’s illegal. The schedule change will remedy that, along with the significant issue of banking regulations with cannabis.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 8:12:58 GMT -5
People who use it for medical reasons shouldn’t be punished if they travel with it to other States where it’s illegal. The schedule change will remedy that, along with the significant issue of banking regulations with cannabis. New Poll Shows Two-Thirds Of Republican Voters Support Legalizing MarijuanaMuch of my frustration with keeping it illegal at the Federal level is around the fact that politically, it's a no brainer. Canada has already legalized cannabis. Most Americans support legalization. And no one who opposes it is strongly opposed to the point that it could cost either party any votes over the issue. If the White House and Congress can't do easy stuff like this, they're never going to be able to tackle the hard stuff like Gun Control...
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Aug 31, 2023 10:52:26 GMT -5
Much of my frustration with keeping it illegal at the Federal level is around the fact that politically, it's a no brainer. Canada has already legalized cannabis. Most Americans support legalization. And no one who opposes it is strongly opposed to the point that it could cost either party any votes over the issue. If the White House and Congress can't do easy stuff like this, they're never going to be able to tackle the hard stuff like Gun Control... I’m not sure this is true, particularly in the Senate. There are a lot of no votes there. I’m not sure exactly how many, but I bet it’s a significant number.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 11:02:44 GMT -5
Much of my frustration with keeping it illegal at the Federal level is around the fact that politically, it's a no brainer. Canada has already legalized cannabis. Most Americans support legalization. And no one who opposes it is strongly opposed to the point that it could cost either party any votes over the issue. If the White House and Congress can't do easy stuff like this, they're never going to be able to tackle the hard stuff like Gun Control... I’m not sure this is true, particularly in the Senate. There are a lot of no votes there. I’m not sure exactly how many, but I bet it’s a significant number. That's my point. Congress is way behind public opinion on the legalization issue. If 2/3's of Republican voters support legalization then we can assume that at least 3/4s of Indies and Dem voters support it too. Politically, it should be the easiest major change to make to the drug laws. But for some reason, they're dragging their feet at the Federal level. It's one of many popular policy issues where I don't understand why Congress and the White House are so slow to respond to popular public support. If they can't even agree to do the easy stuff, the difficult policy issues will never be resolved.
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Post by zenwalk on Aug 31, 2023 12:17:49 GMT -5
The schedule change will remedy that, along with the significant issue of banking regulations with cannabis. New Poll Shows Two-Thirds Of Republican Voters Support Legalizing MarijuanaMuch of my frustration with keeping it illegal at the Federal level is around the fact that politically, it's a no brainer. Canada has already legalized cannabis. Most Americans support legalization. And no one who opposes it is strongly opposed to the point that it could cost either party any votes over the issue. If the White House and Congress can't do easy stuff like this, they're never going to be able to tackle the hard stuff like Gun Control... I think that's backwards. They recognize they can't tackle gun control so they maintain bud control.
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Post by michiganjoe on Aug 31, 2023 13:04:31 GMT -5
Feds can legalize cannabis but state and local governments are still free to have their own statutes regarding its possession and use (same is true of alcohol).
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Aug 31, 2023 13:31:39 GMT -5
That's my point. Congress is way behind public opinion on the legalization issue. If 2/3's of Republican voters support legalization then we can assume that at least 3/4s of Indies and Dem voters support it too. Politically, it should be the easiest major change to make to the drug laws. But for some reason, they're dragging their feet at the Federal level. It's one of many popular policy issues where I don't understand why Congress and the White House are so slow to respond to popular public support. If they can't even agree to do the easy stuff, the difficult policy issues will never be resolved. But are they? The nature of the Senate is such that the public opinion of the country as a whole is irrelevant. North Dakota for instance has twice voted down ballot initiatives relating to legalization. So why would their Senators be swayed by these arguments?
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Post by soulflower on Aug 31, 2023 13:42:43 GMT -5
That's my point. Congress is way behind public opinion on the legalization issue. If 2/3's of Republican voters support legalization then we can assume that at least 3/4s of Indies and Dem voters support it too. Politically, it should be the easiest major change to make to the drug laws. But for some reason, they're dragging their feet at the Federal level. It's one of many popular policy issues where I don't understand why Congress and the White House are so slow to respond to popular public support. If they can't even agree to do the easy stuff, the difficult policy issues will never be resolved. But are they? The nature of the Senate is such that the public opinion of the country as a whole is irrelevant. North Dakota for instance has twice voted down ballot initiatives relating to legalization. So why would their Senators be swayed by these arguments? That's why national politics will never get out of the dysfunctional cycle that our country is currently in without a Constitutional Convention. It's amazing that they can't even move on popular policies. It's an antiquated system that seems to be more counterproductive than productive. But that's a different topic. If North Dakota wants to keep their own State prohibition of marijuana, that's their Right but it shouldn't prevent legalization at the Federal level.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Aug 31, 2023 18:49:38 GMT -5
That's why national politics will never get out of the dysfunctional cycle that our country is currently in without a Constitutional Convention. It's amazing that they can't even move on popular policies. It's an antiquated system that seems to be more counterproductive than productive. But that's a different topic. If North Dakota wants to keep their own State prohibition of marijuana, that's their Right but it shouldn't prevent legalization at the Federal level. Well that’s not happening any time soon. In the meantime, descheduling is an action the Executive branch can take unilaterally and it will be yet another step in the right direction.
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Post by guido2 on Aug 31, 2023 19:27:27 GMT -5
I am ABSOLUTELY sure that the Marijuana lobbyists were shoveling tons of money into various people's pockets. We have nnnneeevvvveeerrr seen anything like this before.... have we? 🙄
Oh wait.....
You do all realize that, by basically putting Maryjane into the classification of Advil. The financial implications, investment would be legal, credit cards would be legal. Real Banks could loan money and handle credit card, cash, etc deposits into real accounts.
Not faulting what they are doing. But this mirrors, alcohol prohibition. Make a drug illegal, put a lot of people in jail, then make it legal and get the 'tax' revenue after the generous act of allowing people to be........... ahh free.
After 'they' get their cut. Same could be said for lotteries and sports betting on line.
Just say'n
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Post by guido2 on Aug 31, 2023 19:48:59 GMT -5
Feds can legalize cannabis but state and local governments are still free to have their own statutes regarding its possession and use (same is true of alcohol). True. But at least there is a baseline. As I understand the law, states can not set higher standards than the Feds. They can build downward but not up.
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Post by Rael on Sept 1, 2023 8:32:57 GMT -5
Feds can legalize cannabis but state and local governments are still free to have their own statutes regarding its possession and use (same is true of alcohol). True. But at least there is a baseline. As I understand the law, states can not set higher standards than the Feds. They can build downward but not up. I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that states cannot have more restrictive laws than the states I would refer you to the several "dry" counties.
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Post by soulflower on Sept 1, 2023 9:02:13 GMT -5
I am ABSOLUTELY sure that the Marijuana lobbyists were shoveling tons of money into various people's pockets. We have nnnneeevvvveeerrr seen anything like this before.... have we? 🙄 Oh wait..... You do all realize that, by basically putting Maryjane into the classification of Advil. The financial implications, investment would be legal, credit cards would be legal. Real Banks could loan money and handle credit card, cash, etc deposits into real accounts. Not faulting what they are doing. But this mirrors, alcohol prohibition. Make a drug illegal, put a lot of people in jail, then make it legal and get the 'tax' revenue after the generous act of allowing people to be........... ahh free. After 'they' get their cut. Same could be said for lotteries and sports betting on line. Just say'n It will require either complete legalization or Congress passing legislation for banks to be able to treat marijuana companies like any other legal business. That’s one of the concerns of the critics of this move.
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Post by msmaggie on Sept 1, 2023 9:03:06 GMT -5
True. But at least there is a baseline. As I understand the law, states can not set higher standards than the Feds. They can build downward but not up. I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that states cannot have more restrictive laws than the states I would refer you to the several "dry" counties. Not sure that a good comparison. Don't think there are federal laws re liquor. But pretty sure fed and state laws re drugs conflict in many states.
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Post by Rael on Sept 1, 2023 9:19:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that states cannot have more restrictive laws than the states I would refer you to the several "dry" counties. Not sure that a good comparison. Don't think there are federal laws re liquor. But pretty sure fed and state laws re drugs conflict in many states. Isn't the 21 minimum age now a federal thing?
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Sept 1, 2023 10:26:19 GMT -5
I wish marijuana were treated like alcohol. NY legalized it in 2021 but have made such a mess of the process to open a dispensary that two years later basically no legal ones exist but thousands of illegal ones do. The obvious fix is to simply bring these illegal ones into the fold but I’m sure they’ll do something stupid instead.
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Post by ivanbalt on Sept 1, 2023 10:40:08 GMT -5
I wish marijuana were treated like alcohol. NY legalized it in 2021 but have made such a mess of the process to open a dispensary that two years later basically no legal ones exist but thousands of illegal ones do. The obvious fix is to simply bring these illegal ones into the fold but I’m sure they’ll do something stupid instead. So most or all of the places I saw in Midtown that were selling it are illegal?
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Sept 1, 2023 10:49:36 GMT -5
So most or all of the places I saw in Midtown that were selling it are illegal? Yes. There are only something like 9 legal dispensaries in the entire city and estimates of thousands of illegal ones.
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Post by ivanbalt on Sept 1, 2023 11:29:06 GMT -5
So most or all of the places I saw in Midtown that were selling it are illegal? Yes. There are only something like 9 legal dispensaries in the entire city and estimates of thousands of illegal ones. That's insane. For once Maryland seemingly did something right in their rollout.
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Post by msmaggie on Sept 1, 2023 12:08:31 GMT -5
Not sure that a good comparison. Don't think there are federal laws re liquor. But pretty sure fed and state laws re drugs conflict in many states. Isn't the 21 minimum age now a federal thing? I stand corrected! It is.
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Post by michiganjoe on Sept 1, 2023 12:16:44 GMT -5
States maintain the legal ability to set the minimum drinking age. Feds threatened to pull highway funding on the last state that was maintaining it at 18 (they subsequently raised it).
Feds could legalize cannabis completely and the states still have the authority to regulate it however they see fit.
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