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Post by guido2 on Nov 29, 2023 16:40:49 GMT -5
Not for you. Our values are different. No doubt. I value individual freedom and equality. REALLY?So I guess that means......... -that you believe a women has the ability to control their body -that you believe that LGBTIQA+ should be able to live their lives without all the BS. -that Blacks are equal -that Hispanics are equal -that Asians are equal -that all people, even people like Trump should be susceptible to the same laws and processes that the rest of us are subject to. Such as, you open you yap to threaten the judicary, or attempt to corrupt a jury pool or intimidate witnesses that you sorry azz goes to jail. PERIOD. -I got a ton of etcetera's. THAT, my "friend" is but a part of what freedom is. If you disagree.....frankly, your thoughts and opinions are worth a flea fart in the wind.
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Post by guido2 on Nov 29, 2023 16:44:47 GMT -5
What is you obsession with demonstrating every single time you post that you need one? š Yet you keep responding to my posts. Why is that? Because, as a teacher in public school, as well as a professor at university, my hope is always that somehow, I will open even the most cement cased mind to what is reality. Sorry, unlike yourself, I LIKE facts and truths. And don't tolerate those that ignore facts and truths. Such as yourself. I believe in redemption with the right guidance.....but I am beginning to believe that you are definitely a lost cause.
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Post by vosa on Nov 29, 2023 17:04:54 GMT -5
Yet you keep responding to my posts. Why is that? Because, as a teacher in public school, as well as a professor at university, my hope is always that somehow, I will open even the most cement cased mind to what is reality. Sorry, unlike yourself, I LIKE facts and truths. And don't tolerate those that ignore facts and truths. Such as yourself. I believe in redemption with the right guidance.....but I am beginning to believe that you are definitely a lost cause. And exactly what facts and truths do ignore?
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Post by guido2 on Nov 29, 2023 17:12:32 GMT -5
Because, as a teacher in public school, as well as a professor at university, my hope is always that somehow, I will open even the most cement cased mind to what is reality. Sorry, unlike yourself, I LIKE facts and truths. And don't tolerate those that ignore facts and truths. Such as yourself. I believe in redemption with the right guidance.....but I am beginning to believe that you are definitely a lost cause. And exactly what facts and truths do (I) ignore? I fixed it for you Duh! Anyway, to answer the corrected question, pretty much anything coming close to facts and truths. Tell you what, next time you shoot your mouth off, why don't you actually provide real facts and links from real sources other than FOX and Trumps BS. Then I might stop trying to bust you!
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Post by vosa on Nov 29, 2023 17:20:46 GMT -5
And exactly what facts and truths do (I) ignore? I fixed it for you Duh! Anyway, to answer the corrected question, pretty much anything coming close to facts and truths. Tell you what, next time you shoot your mouth off, why don't you actually provide real facts and links from real sources other than FOX and Trumps BS. Then I might stop trying to bust you! Once again you have failed to provide anything that supports your claim. As they say in Texas - Big Hat. No cattle.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 29, 2023 17:29:14 GMT -5
Calling people ācult membersā isnāt going to persuade anyone to not vote for Trump. Seriously, whatās the point of this thread? Democrats trying to convince republicans they are not a cult.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 29, 2023 17:31:07 GMT -5
A lie is only a lie if people say things they know arenāt true. No oneās minds are being changed by personal attacks or bullying. Hmmm...you should follow your own advice. Trump has admitted on tape, several times, his lies but the cult keeps on swallowing them and asking for more. Maybe pretend MAGA cult are Neocons and you'll see where I'm coming from. But Neocons are democrats now ........
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Post by soulflower on Nov 29, 2023 17:35:44 GMT -5
Calling people ācult membersā isnāt going to persuade anyone to not vote for Trump. Seriously, whatās the point of this thread? Democrats trying to convince republicans they are not a cult. They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 29, 2023 17:36:39 GMT -5
Democrats trying to convince republicans they are not a cult. They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š By whom?
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 29, 2023 17:37:31 GMT -5
Democrats trying to convince republicans they are not a cult. They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š When they vote, they vote in lockstep. Its a cult.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 29, 2023 17:38:12 GMT -5
They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š By whom?
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Post by pickle20 on Nov 29, 2023 18:10:12 GMT -5
Democrats trying to convince republicans they are not a cult. They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š And yet the very polls you post show that democrats increasingly want Biden to step down. Now can you do the same for Republicans? I think not.
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Post by mrsmlh on Nov 29, 2023 18:18:57 GMT -5
Not for you. Our values are different. No doubt. I value individual freedom and equality. No doubt for white men only
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Post by carllafong on Nov 29, 2023 18:20:45 GMT -5
Very insightful thoughts steve!
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Post by guido2 on Nov 29, 2023 18:25:22 GMT -5
I fixed it for you Duh! Anyway, to answer the corrected question, pretty much anything coming close to facts and truths. Tell you what, next time you shoot your mouth off, why don't you actually provide real facts and links from real sources other than FOX and Trumps BS. Then I might stop trying to bust you! Once again you have failed to provide anything that supports your claim. As they say in Texas - Big Hat. No cattle. OOOOOkkkkkaayyyy here we go. Samo Samo
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Post by guido2 on Nov 29, 2023 18:27:32 GMT -5
They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š When they vote, they vote in lockstep. Its a cult. OK then Dem-splain me Trump getting off on not one..... but TWO.... impeachments. Dem-splain..... I dare you. And no BS about 'there weren't any facts'!!!! They weren't lockstepped? More along the lines of, grab'm by the bxlls and they will follow you anywhere.
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Post by soulflower on Nov 29, 2023 18:28:36 GMT -5
They are not a cult but Biden is infallible and criticism of him is treated like blasphemy. š And yet the very polls you post show that democrats increasingly want Biden to step down. Now can you do the same for Republicans? I think not. Iāve posted polls that show that most voters donāt want Trump or Biden. While itās true that most Dems prefer someone other than Biden, my point still stands with regards to this forum. Iāve asked someone here what criticisms of Biden they consider to be legit or in good faith. I never got an answer. So apparently, some think Biden is infallibleā¦
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 29, 2023 18:42:07 GMT -5
And yet the very polls you post show that democrats increasingly want Biden to step down. Now can you do the same for Republicans? I think not. Iāve posted polls that show that most voters donāt want Trump or Biden. While itās true that most Dems prefer someone other than Biden, my point still stands with regards to this forum. Iāve asked someone here what criticisms of Biden they consider to be legit or in good faith. I never got an answer. So apparently, some think Biden is infallibleā¦ Did a terrible job leaving Afghanistan. Gone too easy on Bibi. This ministry of truth nonsense. On balance doing a good job. And basing the notion that people on this forum think Biden is infallible on asking one poster a question and not getting an answer? Seriously? Such self importance.
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Post by vosa on Nov 29, 2023 19:17:48 GMT -5
Once again you have failed to provide anything that supports your claim.As they say in Texas - Big Hat. No cattle. OOOOOkkkkkaayyyy here we go. Samo Samo Q.E.D.
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Post by soulflower on Nov 29, 2023 19:43:40 GMT -5
Iāve posted polls that show that most voters donāt want Trump or Biden. While itās true that most Dems prefer someone other than Biden, my point still stands with regards to this forum. Iāve asked someone here what criticisms of Biden they consider to be legit or in good faith. I never got an answer. So apparently, some think Biden is infallibleā¦ Did a terrible job leaving Afghanistan. Gone too easy on Bibi. This ministry of truth nonsense. On balance doing a good job. And basing the notion that people on this forum think Biden is infallible on asking one poster a question and not getting an answer? Seriously? Such self importance. I added emphasis on my use of the word "some". Yes, there are some posters here who act as if no criticism of Biden is legit or in good faith. That too is cult-like behavior. Outside of the forum, my dad who watches MSNBC frequently, also rejects any and all of my criticisms of Biden. So apparently, he does have hardcore supporters like Trump. I assume that he just has less diehard supporters than Trump does.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Nov 29, 2023 19:47:41 GMT -5
And there are some posters here who do nothing but throw rocks and then assemble defense mechanisms when people point out that their complaints are nonsensical. That's called denial
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Post by soulflower on Nov 29, 2023 20:52:24 GMT -5
And there are some posters here who do nothing but throw rocks and then assemble defense mechanisms when people point out that their complaints are nonsensical. That's called denial I throw rocks at both sides man. Biden is the current President therefore he gets more rocks from me than the guy everyone talks about who is no longer the President. The ball is currently in Bidenās court. Also, rarely do I ever make fun of or criticize the voters who support any politician on either side. I believe in Democracy enough to accept that some people are going to vote for candidates that I strongly dislike. No need to bash others for making different choices.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 29, 2023 21:15:42 GMT -5
MAGA is a cult of personality. You've said it yourself. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind I am calling out their lies. Again, things you've advocated for instead of censorship. A lie is only a lie if people say things they know arenāt true. No oneās minds are being changed by personal attacks or bullying. I dislike this definition. It allows people to pretend they did not know the truth when it was available to them. I believe you are a liar if you knew what you were communicating was untrue OR if a reasonable person would conclude that you could have and should have known this.
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Post by soulflower on Nov 29, 2023 21:18:58 GMT -5
A lie is only a lie if people say things they know arenāt true. No oneās minds are being changed by personal attacks or bullying. I dislike this definition. It allows people to pretend they did not know the truth when it was available to them. I believe you are a liar if you knew what you were communicating was untrue OR if a reasonable person would conclude that you could have and should have known this. Well duh. The difficult part of proving in court that someone lied is you have to prove that they knew it was a lie at the time. Unless you have smoking gun evidence, it's not always easy to prove that someone knowingly lied rather than stated something false that they believed to be true. Some people are just mistaken or misguided, not liars. Other people have a pattern of lying. Unless I notice a pattern, I give people the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by smokey1 on Nov 29, 2023 21:29:54 GMT -5
No doubt. I value individual freedom and equality. REALLY?So I guess that means......... -that you believe a women has the ability to control their body -that you believe that LGBTIQA+ should be able to live their lives without all the BS. -that Blacks are equal -that Hispanics are equal -that Asians are equal -that all people, even people like Trump should be susceptible to the same laws and processes that the rest of us are subject to. Such as, you open you yap to threaten the judicary, or attempt to corrupt a jury pool or intimidate witnesses that you sorry azz goes to jail. PERIOD. -I got a ton of etcetera's. THAT, my "friend" is but a part of what freedom is. If you disagree.....frankly, your thoughts and opinions are worth a flea fart in the wind. Yes to all of those. I have always believed that. Trying to put me in one of those little boxes again? Never works. Learn something for once in your life.
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Post by smokey1 on Nov 29, 2023 21:31:06 GMT -5
No doubt. I value individual freedom and equality. No doubt for white men only Not at all. I have always advocated equality and equal treatment for everyone. I still don't fit into that little box you keep trying to put me in. The funny thing is you are what you claim you hate. Pitiful.
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 29, 2023 22:56:55 GMT -5
No doubt for white men only Not at all.Ā I have always advocated equality and equal treatment for everyone.Ā I still don't fit into that little box you keep trying to put me in.Ā The funny thing is you are what you claim you hate.Ā Ā Pitiful. You crack me up. Mister individual freedom and equality. Who is an apologist for the CSA. Alrighty!!
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Post by pickle20 on Nov 30, 2023 7:10:22 GMT -5
And yet the very polls you post show that democrats increasingly want Biden to step down. Now can you do the same for Republicans? I think not. Iāve posted polls that show that most voters donāt want Trump or Biden. While itās true that most Dems prefer someone other than Biden, my point still stands with regards to this forum. Iāve asked someone here what criticisms of Biden they consider to be legit or in good faith. I never got an answer. So apparently, some think Biden is infallibleā¦ LOL.
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Post by mrsmlh on Nov 30, 2023 8:26:19 GMT -5
No doubt for white men only Not at all. I have always advocated equality and equal treatment for everyone. I still don't fit into that little box you keep trying to put me in. The funny thing is you are what you claim you hate. Pitiful. Yes you are but keep lying to yourself about yourself but if you want others to believe you, you should reword a lot, and I mean a lot of your posts esp CW posts
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Post by smokey1 on Nov 30, 2023 10:21:33 GMT -5
Not at all. I have always advocated equality and equal treatment for everyone. I still don't fit into that little box you keep trying to put me in. The funny thing is you are what you claim you hate. Pitiful.You crack me up. Mister individual freedom and equality. Who is an apologist for the CSA. Alrighty!! That's right and I don't even know what an apologist is. I only apologize for things I have done. I oppose their view on slavery but every people deserve a government of their own choosing. It's as simple as that.
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