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Post by upstream on Jan 21, 2024 22:58:50 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 7:05:28 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 7:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 10:44:51 GMT -5
The longer the Israel-Gaza thing drags on, the more it will cause political heartburn for Biden's campaign. Not only could it affect a Swing state like Michigan but young Dem activists around the country may be less enthusiastic about working to get out the vote for Biden this Fall.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 22, 2024 11:08:18 GMT -5
I doubt people criticizing Biden for Gaza inaction are going to vote for Trump who will make it a certainty that Gaza will never exist again.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -5
I doubt people criticizing Biden for Gaza inaction are going to vote for Trump who will make it a certainty that Gaza will never exist again. The worry is that they'll stay home which may give Trump the edge in some closely contested states. But, on the larger point, people upset with Biden are going to be even more upset if they somehow pave the way for a second Trump presidency with his promises of immigration round ups.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 22, 2024 11:13:53 GMT -5
I doubt people criticizing Biden for Gaza inaction are going to vote for Trump who will make it a certainty that Gaza will never exist again. The worry is that they'll stay home which may give Trump the edge in some closely contested states. Then they have no one to blame but themselves when Gaza is wiped off the map.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:14:25 GMT -5
The worry is that they'll stay home which may give Trump the edge in some closely contested states. Then they have no one to blame but themselves when Gaza is wiped off the map. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 11:15:28 GMT -5
I doubt people criticizing Biden for Gaza inaction are going to vote for Trump who will make it a certainty that Gaza will never exist again. I agree but voting Third-party or not voting at all is an option. Politicians should never take any voters for granted.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 11:18:23 GMT -5
The worry is that they'll stay home which may give Trump the edge in some closely contested states. Then they have no one to blame but themselves when Gaza is wiped off the map. That’s ridiculous statement. Biden has the power to do something now. At this rate, there won’t be anything left in Gaza by the time Trump is sworn in. You’re talking as if the rate of destruction suggests this could last well into next year. Most likely it will slowdown before next January. For now, the voters who care about that issue can’t do anything but protest and hope Biden listens to them.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:18:36 GMT -5
I doubt people criticizing Biden for Gaza inaction are going to vote for Trump who will make it a certainty that Gaza will never exist again. I agree but voting Third-party or not voting at all is an option. Politicians should never take any voters for granted. That's true but it is also true that you can't fix stupid
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 11:28:25 GMT -5
I agree but voting Third-party or not voting at all is an option. Politicians should never take any voters for granted. That's true but it is also true that you can't fix stupid If Biden loses Michigan in November, the decisions he's making today will be directly to blame. Not the voters.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 12:37:38 GMT -5
That's true but it is also true that you can't fix stupid If Biden loses Michigan in November, the decisions he's making today will be directly to blame. Not the voters. Like I said, you can't fix stupid.
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Post by vosa on Jan 22, 2024 13:38:50 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying. I agree that things play differently state vs local as well as single issue referendum vs presidential election. December 2023 is very recent! Correct, but arguing that democrats and independent women aren't concerned about abortion access nationwide does not reflect a firm grasp on reality. And, I know you know this, but putting abortion on the ballot via a referendum in a state that might prove decisive in the election strikes me as a risky strategy for the GOP, based on how that issue has played for them in recent elections. One can be concerned about something that is not their # 1 priority. How many women do you think are effected by high prices vs how many women are effected by abortion?
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Post by upstream on Jan 22, 2024 13:42:45 GMT -5
Correct, but arguing that democrats and independent women aren't concerned about abortion access nationwide does not reflect a firm grasp on reality. And, I know you know this, but putting abortion on the ballot via a referendum in a state that might prove decisive in the election strikes me as a risky strategy for the GOP, based on how that issue has played for them in recent elections. One can be concerned about something that is not their # 1 priority. How many women do you think are effected by high prices vs how many women are effected by abortion?
Hmmm and which problem do you think affected women would find most troublesome?? Having to travel out of state to get an abortion, or the cost of the gas to travel out of state to get that abortion... ?? And considering gas prices have been steadily falling...
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Post by michiganjoe on Jan 22, 2024 13:48:34 GMT -5
Only thing that could sink Biden in Michigan is the economy, and all indications are that it's moving in the right direction for Joe.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 22, 2024 13:54:16 GMT -5
Correct, but arguing that democrats and independent women aren't concerned about abortion access nationwide does not reflect a firm grasp on reality. And, I know you know this, but putting abortion on the ballot via a referendum in a state that might prove decisive in the election strikes me as a risky strategy for the GOP, based on how that issue has played for them in recent elections. One can be concerned about something that is not their # 1 priority. How many women do you think are effected by high prices vs how many women are effected by abortion? You can make abortion legal or illegal. You can't make "high prices" legal or illegal.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 15:17:54 GMT -5
2024 National GE:
Donald Trump 45% (+5) Joe Biden 40%
Morning Consultt.co/cBMVoDSksFIowa bump for Trump?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 23:56:01 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 23, 2024 14:01:43 GMT -5
How come Pollflower didn't post this?
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 23, 2024 14:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 23, 2024 16:31:54 GMT -5
How come Pollflower didn't post this? Congrats on your newfound trust in the polls 😉
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 24, 2024 7:42:53 GMT -5
How come Pollflower didn't post this? Congrats on your newfound trust in the polls 😉 Just wondering why all the polls you post never show Biden leading. They're out there. I can find them. Drudge runs a few of them each week. I guess that's you being neutral again!
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Post by soulflower on Jan 24, 2024 8:17:17 GMT -5
Congrats on your newfound trust in the polls 😉 Just wondering why all the polls you post never show Biden leading. They're out there. I can find them. Drudge runs a few of them each week. I guess that's you being neutral again! I HAVE posted polls that show Biden leading. I just don't post every single poll. Only the ones I find interesting. Weird how you trust polls when they show results that you want.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 24, 2024 9:23:57 GMT -5
Just wondering why all the polls you post never show Biden leading. They're out there. I can find them. Drudge runs a few of them each week. I guess that's you being neutral again! I HAVE posted polls that show Biden leading. I just don't post every single poll. Only the ones I find interesting. Weird how you trust polls when they show results that you want. I told you before, I am just balancing out your one-sided polling posts.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 24, 2024 10:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 24, 2024 10:27:20 GMT -5
I HAVE posted polls that show Biden leading. I just don't post every single poll. Only the ones I find interesting. Weird how you trust polls when they show results that you want. I told you before, I am just balancing out your one-sided polling posts. MSNBC's Steve Kornacki is trending on Twitter/X since last night due to his opinions about Biden's polling and how Trump could win. He's being attacked by MSNBC's audience. I'm almost certain that Kornacki is a Biden voter but people hate the polls when the candidates they support are struggling.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 24, 2024 10:41:16 GMT -5
If you're going to call yourself "aggressively neutral" try to live up to that moniker. I shouldn't have to do your work for you to achieve that.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 24, 2024 10:47:34 GMT -5
Since this is a general thread, general question: why the hell are the primaries so staggered? Maryland's isn't until May 14th and others are in June. Talk about disenfranchisement.
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