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Post by kandace on Apr 29, 2024 12:51:10 GMT -5
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence gets what he’s saying. And if the Orange Creature and his minions get back in the executive branch and begin stacking the courts with their creatures the right to protest will be completely eliminated, all because silly people can’t think long term and are driven by childish feelings.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 29, 2024 12:53:45 GMT -5
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence gets what he’s saying. And if the Orange Creature and his minions get back in the executive branch and begin stacking the courts with their creatures the right to protest will be completely eliminated, all because silly people can’t think long term and are driven by childish feelings. I just hate the attitude that politicians of either party are entitled to our votes. That's what cost Hillary in 2016. Biden's supporters need to change their approach if they want to persuade people who are on the fence.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 29, 2024 17:03:17 GMT -5
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence gets what he’s saying. And if the Orange Creature and his minions get back in the executive branch and begin stacking the courts with their creatures the right to protest will be completely eliminated, all because silly people can’t think long term and are driven by childish feelings. Well put
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Post by kandace on Apr 29, 2024 18:38:15 GMT -5
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence gets what he’s saying. And if the Orange Creature and his minions get back in the executive branch and begin stacking the courts with their creatures the right to protest will be completely eliminated, all because silly people can’t think long term and are driven by childish feelings. I just hate the attitude that politicians of either party are entitled to our votes. That's what cost Hillary in 2016. Biden's supporters need to change their approach if they want to persuade people who are on the fence. Hillary lost in 2016 due to the immature brattiness of voters who disregarded her warnings about Orange and his minions, all of which have proven to be true. One thing the Progressive Left refuses to acknowledge is that politicians are only loyal to disciplined, determined, strategically mature movements. The Anti-abortion movement is a case study. For decades they continually supported the GOP, voting in favor of Presidents, Governors, Congressmen, and State legislators who ensured that Roe v Wade was steadily chipped away, undermined, and ultimately overturned. And once it was overturned, they had state level legislation ready to implement, immediately to achieve their goals of several restricting abortion. The anti-abortion movement was mature, strategic, and dedicated, and refused to quit even when it took decades to make progress. They didn't vote in one Presidential election cycle, cry pathetically when abortion was not immediately banned, and pout at home and refuse to vote again. The failure of Occupy Wall Street is a notable contrast. Occupy Wall Street did a great deal of good in introducing the concept of "the 1%" who are exploiting the remaining 99%. It provided the impetus for activists to gain skills that they used in other movements, such as BLM. It encouraged the Biden Administration's push against big corporations years later. But overall, the lack of organization, focus, and maturity caused the movement to fail when it could have achieved much more. Discipline and focus require hierarchy and accountability, two things many on the Progressive Left find anathema for whatever reason. The periodical nature summed it up well: A rejection of hierarchy, decision-making and majority rule meant that discourse replaced politics, an obsessive concern with process replaced a concrete engagement with power, and the demand for unanimity meant that nothing would ever get done. Everyone should have a right to speak about everything, no one should be bound by any position with which one was in disagreement, and majority rule was discarded in favor of a consensus that almost never materialized. Elaborate rituals accompanied endless meetings and hours of talk. OWS’s rejection of political corruption and its exposure of decision-makers’ complicity in decades of inequality and injustice morphed into a rejection of established institutions and a refusal to engage in politics of any sort. Principles were never articulated, demands were never formulated, and allies were never sought in any serious way. The claim that process was the same as content led OWS to claim that “prefiguring” could substitute a moral pose for the dirty business of engaging with power, thinking politically, taking positions, making demands and—if necessary—compromising.
Politicians will have more progressive stances when progressives have an actual grass roots movement instead of indignant protests and no plans.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 29, 2024 19:35:04 GMT -5
I just hate the attitude that politicians of either party are entitled to our votes. That's what cost Hillary in 2016. Biden's supporters need to change their approach if they want to persuade people who are on the fence. Hillary lost in 2016 due to the immature brattiness of voters who disregarded her warnings about Orange and his minions, all of which have proven to be true. One thing the Progressive Left refuses to acknowledge is that politicians are only loyal to disciplined, determined, strategically mature movements. Politicians are only loyal to $$$$ and themselves. It doesn't matter how disciplined or mature the social movement is. The Climate movement is very organized and mature yet they have very little to show for their organizing. Politicians will have more progressive stances when progressives have an actual grass roots movement instead of indignant protests and no plans. Carville didn't chastise Progressives, he chastised young voters. Not all young voters are Progressives and there's a huge number of voters in General Electorates who don't vote solely on policy preferences. In my honest opinion, the onus is on politicians to win people's votes. It's not on the voters to hold their nose and vote for someone whom they dislike or who is presiding over policies that they dislike. If you want to hold your nose and vote for someone who doesn't care about the issues that are important to you, that's your choice. Others will decide differently. Michael Moore, who has been right about the last few elections, has given better advice to President Biden. Hopefully he listens to Moore, not Carville.
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Post by michiganjoe on May 2, 2024 5:54:53 GMT -5
Pretty much expected behavior.
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 2, 2024 21:46:52 GMT -5
I just hate the attitude that politicians of either party are entitled to our votes. That's what cost Hillary in 2016. Biden's supporters need to change their approach if they want to persuade people who are on the fence. Hillary lost in 2016 due to the immature brattiness of voters who disregarded her warnings about Orange and his minions, all of which have proven to be true. One thing the Progressive Left refuses to acknowledge is that politicians are only loyal to disciplined, determined, strategically mature movements. The Anti-abortion movement is a case study. For decades they continually supported the GOP, voting in favor of Presidents, Governors, Congressmen, and State legislators who ensured that Roe v Wade was steadily chipped away, undermined, and ultimately overturned. And once it was overturned, they had state level legislation ready to implement, immediately to achieve their goals of several restricting abortion. The anti-abortion movement was mature, strategic, and dedicated, and refused to quit even when it took decades to make progress. They didn't vote in one Presidential election cycle, cry pathetically when abortion was not immediately banned, and pout at home and refuse to vote again. The failure of Occupy Wall Street is a notable contrast. Occupy Wall Street did a great deal of good in introducing the concept of "the 1%" who are exploiting the remaining 99%. It provided the impetus for activists to gain skills that they used in other movements, such as BLM. It encouraged the Biden Administration's push against big corporations years later. But overall, the lack of organization, focus, and maturity caused the movement to fail when it could have achieved much more. Discipline and focus require hierarchy and accountability, two things many on the Progressive Left find anathema for whatever reason. The periodical nature summed it up well: A rejection of hierarchy, decision-making and majority rule meant that discourse replaced politics, an obsessive concern with process replaced a concrete engagement with power, and the demand for unanimity meant that nothing would ever get done. Everyone should have a right to speak about everything, no one should be bound by any position with which one was in disagreement, and majority rule was discarded in favor of a consensus that almost never materialized. Elaborate rituals accompanied endless meetings and hours of talk. OWS’s rejection of political corruption and its exposure of decision-makers’ complicity in decades of inequality and injustice morphed into a rejection of established institutions and a refusal to engage in politics of any sort. Principles were never articulated, demands were never formulated, and allies were never sought in any serious way. The claim that process was the same as content led OWS to claim that “prefiguring” could substitute a moral pose for the dirty business of engaging with power, thinking politically, taking positions, making demands and—if necessary—compromising.
Politicians will have more progressive stances when progressives have an actual grass roots movement instead of indignant protests and no plans. Excellent post
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 2, 2024 22:57:58 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 3, 2024 6:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 3, 2024 15:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on May 4, 2024 10:10:13 GMT -5
Been telling my friend who spams me with Biden approval ratings, "Biden doesn't have to outrun the bear, just Trump."
This election will be about who doesn't lose it. No one is going to win.
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Post by soulflower on May 4, 2024 11:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 4, 2024 20:29:53 GMT -5
Big haul if true
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 4, 2024 22:53:01 GMT -5
1. Don’t believe anything they say. 2. Believe the FEC filings 3. How much of whatever they raise is being syphoned off to his personal legal expenses? 4. The RNC is a train wreck and the state organizations are in disarray 5. Can they turn it around? I guess but the Biden campaign and DNC are way ahead of them right now 5. If you don’t believe me just look at the campaign infrastructure they’ve put together in North Carolina which is a 2nd or even 3rd tier priority for them
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Post by michiganjoe on May 6, 2024 1:06:12 GMT -5
Just a reminder that RCP polling deserves a healthy dose of skepticism. They also projected Dixon to beat Whitmer and she lost by double-digits.
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Post by grindelwald on May 6, 2024 5:04:42 GMT -5
If this is coming from the Trump team you can bet it isn't. You shouldn't have to be told that.
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Post by soulflower on May 6, 2024 7:26:05 GMT -5
If this is coming from the Trump team you can bet it isn't. You shouldn't have to be told that. Don’t shoot the messenger. I thought the “If true” comment expressed my skepticism but I guess it won’t convince those who think I support Trump.
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Post by ishmael on May 6, 2024 7:50:40 GMT -5
If this is coming from the Trump team you can bet it isn't. You shouldn't have to be told that. Don’t shoot the messenger. I thought the “If true” comment expressed my skepticism but I guess it won’t convince those who think I support Trump. Someone here thinks you support Trump??? No way. Putin, Xi and Hamas maybe, but Trump? Hell no!
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Post by soulflower on May 6, 2024 7:58:44 GMT -5
Don’t shoot the messenger. I thought the “If true” comment expressed my skepticism but I guess it won’t convince those who think I support Trump. Someone here thinks you support Trump??? No way. Putin, Xi and Hamas maybe, but Trump? Hell no! I support myself for President in 2024
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Post by soulflower on May 6, 2024 8:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on May 6, 2024 8:11:51 GMT -5
Among likely voters, Biden 49, Trump 45. abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=109909175The poll tests a few versions of likely voters, e.g., those who say they are registered to vote or will register and are certain to vote in November; and those who fit that definition and also say they voted in 2020, if old enough to have done so. Trump is +2 points among all adults (excluding nonvoters) while Biden is +4 among likely voters. While neither is a statistically significant difference, the reason for the Biden bump is that more educated people are more likely to vote, and, as noted, Biden leads Trump by 19 points among college graduates. Among all adults in the survey, 35% have a college degree. Among likely voters, it's 45%.
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 6, 2024 13:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 6, 2024 17:27:52 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 6, 2024 18:26:34 GMT -5
Indeed. Especially on top of his former Vice President refusing to endorse him.
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Post by ivanbalt on May 6, 2024 18:35:30 GMT -5
Meh, former politicians taking a stand against the fuhrer means nothing.
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Post by guido2 on May 6, 2024 18:47:07 GMT -5
Meh, former politicians taking a stand against the fuhrer means nothing. May I add, that they are all a day, month, year, AHHH years late and more than a dollar short.
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Post by pickle20 on May 7, 2024 8:01:41 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 7, 2024 15:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on May 8, 2024 7:56:52 GMT -5
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Post by michiganjoe on May 8, 2024 7:59:35 GMT -5
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