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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 22, 2024 3:12:10 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 22, 2024 6:58:54 GMT -5
He’s referring to me, because I live rent free in his head. Actually, I was referring to Zenwalk, but ok, whatever strokes your ego trump runs his mouth about bloodbaths all the time. We know trump refers to Kushner as "The Jew" around the house so his yap equating support for Netanyahu with Israel is just a reflection of how he views America as his personal latrine. The ugliest scariest most vile comment is his repeated promise to set the insurrectionists loose. Won't anyone rid us of this canker on our democracy?
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Post by summer23 on Mar 22, 2024 7:58:33 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I kind of prefer that the country isn't run by one party. Call me crazy.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 22, 2024 8:05:17 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. Well said.
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Post by summer23 on Mar 22, 2024 8:34:51 GMT -5
He’s referring to me, because I live rent free in his head. Actually, I was referring to Zenwalk, but ok, whatever strokes your ego trump runs his mouth about bloodbaths all the time. We know trump refers to Kushner as "The Jew" around the house so his yap equating support for Netanyahu with Israel is just a reflection of how he views America as his personal latrine. The ugliest scariest most vile comment is his repeated promise to set the insurrectionists loose. Won't anyone rid us of this canker on our democracy? Yeah. But oddly, or maybe not-so-much, no one poster from the left ever addresses these types of comments. i guess they agree with subtle and not so subtle death wishes if it is Trump.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 22, 2024 10:08:50 GMT -5
I tend to agree. But the MdCrats have a long history of assuming that statewide elections are a given and running mediocre candidates. KKT, Brown, really even MOM even though he won. This should be the safest Senate seat in the country. Where is the bench? Political parties are like other organizations and some people - they need challenge to grow stronger. Democrats here haven't felt real challenge in some time. They have internal debates that tend to produce no real answers when they do lose. I don't see Alsobrooks defeating Hogan and Trone might not be up to it, either. They're going to have to find some real dirt and get that in front of voters. Some of those rumored backroom deals, maybe. Anything they can make stick to him.
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Post by up2 on Mar 22, 2024 11:31:21 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 11:42:29 GMT -5
I tend to agree. But the MdCrats have a long history of assuming that statewide elections are a given and running mediocre candidates. KKT, Brown, really even MOM even though he won. This should be the safest Senate seat in the country. Where is the bench? Political parties are like other organizations and some people - they need challenge to grow stronger. Democrats here haven't felt real challenge in some time. They have internal debates that tend to produce no real answers when they do lose. I don't see Alsobrooks defeating Hogan and Trone might not be up to it, either. They're going to have to find some real dirt and get that in front of voters. Some of those rumored backroom deals, maybe. Anything they can make stick to him. Or they could offer a better candidate.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 12:22:18 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. Naive doesn't necessarily mean not realistic. JIM says he won't vote for Hogan simply because he has an (R) after his name. EY wants to find dirt on Hogan and spread it around. These are not examples of rational thought.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 12:24:21 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I kind of prefer that the country isn't run by one party. Call me crazy. OK. You're crazy. But that doesn't mean you're wrong.
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Post by summer23 on Mar 22, 2024 12:44:23 GMT -5
Let's please hear the condemnation of David Trone! Come on! It is taking far too long!
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Post by Rael on Mar 22, 2024 13:00:10 GMT -5
Let's please hear the condemnation of David Trone! Come on! It is taking far too long! Why? I get wine from him.
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Post by Rael on Mar 22, 2024 13:02:05 GMT -5
Damn pickle, do you have this site on an RSS feed? My mouse button hadn't fully returned to its home position before you chimed in. That's fast...
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Post by soulflower on Mar 22, 2024 13:06:18 GMT -5
I'll give Trone the benefit of the doubt unless something else surfaces.
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Post by summer23 on Mar 22, 2024 13:07:50 GMT -5
I tend to agree. But the MdCrats have a long history of assuming that statewide elections are a given and running mediocre candidates. KKT, Brown, really even MOM even though he won. This should be the safest Senate seat in the country. Where is the bench? Political parties are like other organizations and some people - they need challenge to grow stronger. Democrats here haven't felt real challenge in some time. They have internal debates that tend to produce no real answers when they do lose. I don't see Alsobrooks defeating Hogan and Trone might not be up to it, either. They're going to have to find some real dirt and get that in front of voters. Some of those rumored backroom deals, maybe. Anything they can make stick to him. You are special. Do you not think that any dirt about Hogan would have been splashed around when he was running for governor both times? I've got some dirt on Trone. Will you still vote for him?
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 13:15:25 GMT -5
Political parties are like other organizations and some people - they need challenge to grow stronger. Democrats here haven't felt real challenge in some time. They have internal debates that tend to produce no real answers when they do lose. I don't see Alsobrooks defeating Hogan and Trone might not be up to it, either. They're going to have to find some real dirt and get that in front of voters. Some of those rumored backroom deals, maybe. Anything they can make stick to him. You are special. Do you not think that any dirt about Hogan would have been splashed around when he was running for governor both times? I've got some dirt on Trone. Will you still vote for him? Of course he will. He has a (D) near his name.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 22, 2024 13:16:55 GMT -5
I'm with JIM. I like Hogan. But I can't in good conscience give the current Republican Party another vote in the Senate.
So Trone it is. And like Rael says, I get my booze from him.
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Post by zenwalk on Mar 22, 2024 13:30:18 GMT -5
Actually, I was referring to Zenwalk, but ok, whatever strokes your ego Yeah. But oddly, or maybe not-so-much, no one poster from the left ever addresses these types of comments. i guess they agree with subtle and not so subtle death wishes if it is Trump. I was referring to the institutional failure of our government. From what I can tell from afar Hogan is a decent guy. Sorry to spoil your mad.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 22, 2024 13:43:25 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. Naive doesn't necessarily mean not realistic. JIM says he won't vote for Hogan simply because he has an (R) after his name. EY wants to find dirt on Hogan and spread it around. These are not examples of rational thought. Entirely rational. I’ve seen what the Republicans did, and didn’t do, the last time they controlled the Senate. More importantly, I have been watching the utter insanity that is the GOP controlled House. There’s simply no way that I, in good conscience, could ever allow myself to do anything to help put today’s GOP back in power. No way.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 22, 2024 13:44:00 GMT -5
I am not suggesting anyone gin up dirt on Hogan. I am suggesting there may be dirt on him and the Democrats need to be willing to present it to the public. Just as the Republicans will do to whomever wins the Dem primary. That's politics as now practiced in the United States.
I will vote against Hogan, whom I still like, simply because he's an (R) and I don't want any more of them in the Senate than are already there, given the real chance that foul Trump wins re-election. Republicans in Congress, like Democrats, vote as blocs. So Hogan will be Whipped into supporting whatever Trump decides to do, in the worst case scenario. Better he not face that.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 22, 2024 13:44:44 GMT -5
Entirely rational. I’ve seen what the Republicans did, and didn’t do, the last time they controlled the Senate. More importantly, I have been watching the utter insanity that is the GOP controlled House. There’s simply no way that I, in good conscience, could ever allow myself to do anything to help put today’s GOP back in power. No way. Any Republican who believes his party is worthy of power now is a Trumpist.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 22, 2024 13:47:15 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. To me the way you break that fever is by slaughtering the GOP, figuratively speaking, at the polls and send them to the wilderness for a few cycles.
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Post by summer23 on Mar 22, 2024 13:49:18 GMT -5
I am not suggesting anyone gin up dirt on Hogan. I am suggesting there may be dirt on him and the Democrats need to be willing to present it to the public. Just as the Republicans will do to whomever wins the Dem primary. That's politics as now practiced in the United States. I will vote against Hogan, whom I still like, simply because he's an (R) and I don't want any more of them in the Senate than are already there, given the real chance that foul Trump wins re-election. Republicans in Congress, like Democrats, vote as blocs. So Hogan will be Whipped into supporting whatever Trump decides to do, in the worst case scenario. Better he not face that. Dirt that has never been "uncovered" until now. M'kay. Or, please say you don't think that D's are above throwing dirt.
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Post by zenwalk on Mar 22, 2024 14:21:58 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. To me the way you break that fever is by slaughtering the GOP, figuratively speaking, at the polls and send them to the wilderness for a few cycles. The chief mission is to break the silos. Hopefully an end of the GOP can accomplish this but the dye may be cast. The only sure solution is to require mandatory public service that brings together Americans from all over the country like Americorps or the Army.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 14:26:56 GMT -5
I am not suggesting anyone gin up dirt on Hogan. I am suggesting there may be dirt on him and the Democrats need to be willing to present it to the public. Just as the Republicans will do to whomever wins the Dem primary. That's politics as now practiced in the United States. I will vote against Hogan, whom I still like, simply because he's an (R) and I don't want any more of them in the Senate than are already there, given the real chance that foul Trump wins re-election. Republicans in Congress, like Democrats, vote as blocs. So Hogan will be Whipped into supporting whatever Trump decides to do, in the worst case scenario. Better he not face that. Sure you are. And I'm sure your concerns for Hogan's political trials are significant. No, really.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 22, 2024 14:27:42 GMT -5
I have no idea what his health is like. He certainly looks unhealthy: significantly overweight, pallid, possible cognitive issues. His mental health is also poor but those problems are not usually directly fatal and certainly not likely to be in his case if they have not been before now. What concerns me is the degree to which is policies will taint the GOP and for how long. It has certainly stood and gotten elected some highly questionable characters, like Green, Jordan, Gosar, Tuberville, Britt and Gaetz. All inadequate for one reason or another and all staunch Trump allies. I will admit to believing the country would be better off if Trump died sooner rather than later, but to the best of my recollection have never hoped someone would "take him out". He’s referring to me, because I live rent free in his head. Funny I thought he was referring to me.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 22, 2024 14:28:27 GMT -5
In normal times I wouldn't have a problem with Hogan and might even consider voting for him but there is simply no way I will ever vote for a Republican until we break this MAGAhat fever. And it is not just Trump. All one has to do is look at the train wreck that has been the Republican controlled House for the past year to reach the conclusion that today's GOP is just not capable of governing and certainly does not behave in the best interest of America. I second that!
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Post by guido2 on Mar 22, 2024 14:31:00 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. To me the way you break that fever is by slaughtering the GOP, figuratively speaking, at the polls and send them to the wilderness for a few cycles. 🥺aaaawwwwww.... sniff sniff...... you aren't hoping for a true bloodbath? 😉😁
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Post by up2 on Mar 22, 2024 14:40:39 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying and the rationale. However, how will we ever break the fever you allude to if we refuse to elect moderates, irrespective of party? I know there is some risk that Hogan might fall in line with the current rabble of extremist, but as a moderate who doesn't like Trump, Hogan also may be the necessary thorn in the Republican's side within his party who won't be easily "primaried" out of the next election cycle. I would think the extremist Republicans you worry about would more likely concede and compromise with a fellow Republican before they ever would reach across the aisle to their perceived enemy, a Democrat. Risky I know, but at some point we have to elect moderates on each side if we're ever going to break the cycle and not drive each party further to their fringes. Perhaps I'm foolishly naïve, but I'm just thinking out loud. To me the way you break that fever is by slaughtering the GOP, figuratively speaking, at the polls and send them to the wilderness for a few cycles. The wilderness thing following a slaughter (figuratively speaking of course) has been bandied about from both sides each and every cycle. In my opinion, and I'm no political junkie or desire to become one, all that accomplishes with political parties is a deep well of harbored resentment, leading to further combativeness and lashing out on the next cycle, and further erodes discourse and understanding. Again, and I'm sure my naivety is showing, but shouldn't we be electing those who we think will best represent us and hold many of the same values in solving problems, irrespective of party affiliation?
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Post by ishmael on Mar 22, 2024 14:46:41 GMT -5
To me the way you break that fever is by slaughtering the GOP, figuratively speaking, at the polls and send them to the wilderness for a few cycles. The wilderness thing following a slaughter (figuratively speaking of course) has been bandied about from both sides each and every cycle. In my opinion, and I'm no political junkie or desire to become one, all that accomplishes with political parties is a deep well of harbored resentment, leading to further combativeness and lashing out on the next cycle, and further erodes discourse and understanding. Again, and I'm sure my naivety is showing, but shouldn't we be electing those who we think will best represent us and hold many of the same values in solving problems, irrespective of party affiliation? Of course, but that assumes a rational POV. As we have seen here, rational thinking is not a requirement to vote.
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