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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 9, 2024 13:18:21 GMT -5
SCOTUS unleashed chaos
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Post by michiganjoe on Apr 9, 2024 13:24:44 GMT -5
Politically disastrous for the GOP.
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Post by michiganjoe on Apr 9, 2024 13:27:21 GMT -5
Smart move.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 9, 2024 13:43:07 GMT -5
I remember someone repeatedly trying to tell us that the Biden White House doesn't trust Harris.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 9, 2024 13:46:33 GMT -5
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Post by upstream on Apr 9, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5
Dang. Slavery wasn't even officially abolished in 1864. And some people actually laugh when we say the GOP is trying to take us back...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 9, 2024 14:22:25 GMT -5
This ought to fuel their Constitutional initiative out there.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 14:39:03 GMT -5
Dang. Slavery wasn't even officially abolished in 1864. And some people actually laugh when we say the GOP is trying to take us back... OK, Not being pessimistic...... just a realist. I would not be surprised in one bit, if there aren't a whole squad of MAGA lawyers rummaging through all these old laws........ searching for a way to return Blacks to slavery. I am a realist because, what this decision ...... base on a law, that was never struck off the books, that is over 160 years old..... is a guide book on how ..... given a bias court, etc...... they CAN in fact return us back in time to a place where only white property owners counted. Also, over here on my white side of the tracks. What is prevent some MAGOttes digging up a laws that women can NOT, own property, or have a bank account, or credit cards or or or. This is a potentially very ugly can of worms they have opened.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 14:44:14 GMT -5
Ohhhh and I am pretty damn sure that Biden gave her permission to open a serious can of whoop azz against these neanderthals. Like I said earlier to up. ....... everyone and I mean everyone that isn't giving MAGA and TFG blow jobs better start looking over their shoulders and worry about some ancient law being dug up to screw 'no-believers' with. Whats next? So red state finds a law that has been superseded by modern rules..... but still exists and is on the books. For example, are Blacks in Georgia or Alabama going to have to guess how many beans are in the jar. Bet you 10 bucks that law is still out there. And in the right (double meaning) court could resurrect it.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 14:46:15 GMT -5
This ought to fuel their Constitutional initiative out there. I imagine that the MAGA gooberment officials are feverishly looking for a way to circumvent that. Lord knows they have been trying and sometimes succeeding on blocking the peoples will. So much for the MAGA profession of 'individual rights'. 😤😡🤬
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 14:50:37 GMT -5
Dang. Slavery wasn't even officially abolished in 1864. And some people actually laugh when we say the GOP is trying to take us back... OK, Not being pessimistic...... just a realist. I would not be surprised in one bit, if there aren't a whole squad of MAGA lawyers rummaging through all these old laws........ searching for a way to return Blacks to slavery. I am a realist because, what this decision ...... base on a law, that was never struck off the books, that is over 160 years old..... is a guide book on how ..... given a bias court, etc...... they CAN in fact return us back in time to a place where only white property owners counted. Also, over here on my white side of the tracks. What is prevent some MAGOttes digging up a laws that women can NOT, own property, or have a bank account, or credit cards or or or. This is a potentially very ugly can of worms they have opened. Everything above your last sentence is pure, unadulterated nonsense. There are old laws like this one in every State and likely in every County. Old laws are rarely repealed; they are just not prosecuted. AZ now has the opportunity that I am absolutely sure you and your liberal friends relish; they can turn AZ bright blue and make this law go away. Or, conversely, they can find out that maybe AZ is more protective of fetal rights than they thought. We will likely know for certain by November 7th's morning coffee.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 14:52:08 GMT -5
Ohhhh and I am pretty damn sure that Biden gave her permission to open a serious can of whoop azz against these neanderthals. Like I said earlier to up. ....... everyone and I mean everyone that isn't giving MAGA and TFG blow jobs better start looking over their shoulders and worry about some ancient law being dug up to screw 'no-believers' with. Whats next? So red state finds a law that has been superseded by modern rules..... but still exists and is on the books. For example, are Blacks in Georgia or Alabama going to have to guess how many beans are in the jar. Bet you 10 bucks that law is still out there. And in the right (double meaning) court could resurrect it. Well, hopefully, she can at least string ten or twelve words together to make a coherent sentence. That would be accomplishment enough.
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Post by upstream on Apr 9, 2024 15:06:10 GMT -5
Ohhhh and I am pretty damn sure that Biden gave her permission to open a serious can of whoop azz against these neanderthals. Like I said earlier to up. ....... everyone and I mean everyone that isn't giving MAGA and TFG blow jobs better start looking over their shoulders and worry about some ancient law being dug up to screw 'no-believers' with. Whats next? So red state finds a law that has been superseded by modern rules..... but still exists and is on the books. For example, are Blacks in Georgia or Alabama going to have to guess how many beans are in the jar. Bet you 10 bucks that law is still out there. And in the right (double meaning) court could resurrect it. Well, hopefully, she can at least string ten or twelve words together to make a coherent sentence. That would be accomplishment enough. If this is the metric, what sort of standard would you hold yourself to in this situation? I doubt highly you're more qualified than she is. Maybe 4-5 words for you would be considered a job well done?
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 15:08:47 GMT -5
OK, Not being pessimistic...... just a realist. I would not be surprised in one bit, if there aren't a whole squad of MAGA lawyers rummaging through all these old laws........ searching for a way to return Blacks to slavery. I am a realist because, what this decision ...... base on a law, that was never struck off the books, that is over 160 years old..... is a guide book on how ..... given a bias court, etc...... they CAN in fact return us back in time to a place where only white property owners counted. Also, over here on my white side of the tracks. What is prevent some MAGOttes digging up a laws that women can NOT, own property, or have a bank account, or credit cards or or or. This is a potentially very ugly can of worms they have opened. Everything above your last sentence is pure, unadulterated nonsense. There are old laws like this one in every State and likely in every County. Old laws are rarely repealed; they are just not prosecuted. AZ now has the opportunity that I am absolutely sure you and your liberal friends relish; they can turn AZ bright blue and make this law go away. Or, conversely, they can find out that maybe AZ is more protective of fetal rights than they thought. We will likely know for certain by November 7th's morning coffee. Ish. I know you don't realize it, but your first two sentences reinforced exactly what I was saying. You didn't detract from it by one iota. Also, up till Trump, I didn't give a flying fig what other states did. Your boy changed that. I am sure your memory is so mediocre that you don't remember that while yes a Democrate in registry. I ..... depending on the subject leans conservative. Now, please explain this dichotomy to me. If you can, which I doubt. Maybe I am missing something (please advise) but the so called foundation of the present MAGA/Rep. is the rights of the individual. Is that correct? I am pretty sure it is. So, how is it, why is it, for pretty much the last 8 years has been about, guess what, controlling individual rights. In this case abortion. Tell me, how does an atheist having an abortion in anyway shape or form..... impacts some Bible thumpers life? Now if a fellow Bible thumpers wife decides to have one, thats on them. Them being the cult they are associated with. Please explain these things to me and my inferior mind. /s
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:09:48 GMT -5
Well, hopefully, she can at least string ten or twelve words together to make a coherent sentence. That would be accomplishment enough. If this is the metric, what sort of standard would you hold yourself to in this situation? I doubt highly you're more qualified than she is. Maybe 4-5 words for you would be considered a job well done? Fortunately, I have no requirement to address national policy. Unfortunately, she doesn't have either the skill or the knowledge.
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Post by upstream on Apr 9, 2024 15:10:27 GMT -5
If this is the metric, what sort of standard would you hold yourself to in this situation? I doubt highly you're more qualified than she is. Maybe 4-5 words for you would be considered a job well done? Fortunately, I have no requirement to address national policy. Unfortunately, she doesn't have either the skill or the knowledge. Perhaps not to your liking, but I doubt anything/one would be.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 15:15:48 GMT -5
Ohhhh and I am pretty damn sure that Biden gave her permission to open a serious can of whoop azz against these neanderthals. Like I said earlier to up. ....... everyone and I mean everyone that isn't giving MAGA and TFG blow jobs better start looking over their shoulders and worry about some ancient law being dug up to screw 'no-believers' with. Whats next? So red state finds a law that has been superseded by modern rules..... but still exists and is on the books. For example, are Blacks in Georgia or Alabama going to have to guess how many beans are in the jar. Bet you 10 bucks that law is still out there. And in the right (double meaning) court could resurrect it. Well, hopefully, she can at least string ten or twelve words together to make a coherent sentence. That would be accomplishment enough. Ahhhhh yeah, and Trump (the king of word salad) is the second coming of Roosevelt or Churchill.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:18:04 GMT -5
Everything above your last sentence is pure, unadulterated nonsense. There are old laws like this one in every State and likely in every County. Old laws are rarely repealed; they are just not prosecuted. AZ now has the opportunity that I am absolutely sure you and your liberal friends relish; they can turn AZ bright blue and make this law go away. Or, conversely, they can find out that maybe AZ is more protective of fetal rights than they thought. We will likely know for certain by November 7th's morning coffee. Ish. I know you don't realize it, but your first two sentences reinforced exactly what I was saying. You didn't detract from it by one iota. Also, up till Trump, I didn't give a flying fig what other states did. Your boy changed that. I am sure your memory is so mediocre that you don't remember that while yes a Democrate in registry. I ..... depending on the subject leans conservative. Now, please explain this dichotomy to me. If you can, which I doubt. Maybe I am missing something (please advise) but the so called foundation of the present MAGA/Rep. is the rights of the individual. Is that correct? I am pretty sure it is. So, how is it, why is it, for pretty much the last 8 years has been about, guess what, controlling individual rights. In this case abortion. Tell me, how does an atheist having an abortion in anyway shape or form..... impacts some Bible thumpers life? Now if a fellow Bible thumpers wife decides to have one, thats on them. Them being the cult they are associated with. Please explain these things to me and my inferior mind. /s As normal, you are completely missing the point. AZ has spoken on the issue of abortion. The people have spoken through the politicians they have elected and the laws those politicians have passed. I am not using your moronic pejorative because frankly, easy insults are not worth the time. Conservatives believe, at least this actual conservative believes, that the rights of the individual are paramount, but are still subject to the legally constituted laws of the State in which they live. Conservatives believe, or at least this actual conservative believes, that if there is a law you don't like, or a paramount political philosophy which you don't think represents you well, you either get up off your backside and work to change that law by changing the politicians driving it, or you live with what they give you. Abortion is a State issue. It has always been a State issue, despite the wrongful and circuitous decision-making that resulted in Roe. Dobbs restored the proper condition on the management of abortion. AZ will have a chance to speak again in a few months and they can either rejoice, move or live with it.
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Post by upstream on Apr 9, 2024 15:22:34 GMT -5
Ish. I know you don't realize it, but your first two sentences reinforced exactly what I was saying. You didn't detract from it by one iota. Also, up till Trump, I didn't give a flying fig what other states did. Your boy changed that. I am sure your memory is so mediocre that you don't remember that while yes a Democrate in registry. I ..... depending on the subject leans conservative. Now, please explain this dichotomy to me. If you can, which I doubt. Maybe I am missing something (please advise) but the so called foundation of the present MAGA/Rep. is the rights of the individual. Is that correct? I am pretty sure it is. So, how is it, why is it, for pretty much the last 8 years has been about, guess what, controlling individual rights. In this case abortion. Tell me, how does an atheist having an abortion in anyway shape or form..... impacts some Bible thumpers life? Now if a fellow Bible thumpers wife decides to have one, thats on them. Them being the cult they are associated with. Please explain these things to me and my inferior mind. /s As normal, you are completely missing the point. AZ has spoken on the issue of abortion. The people have spoken through the politicians they have elected and the laws those politicians have passed. I am not using your moronic pejorative because frankly, easy insults are not worth the time. Conservatives believe, at least this actual conservative believes, that the rights of the individual are paramount, but are still subject to the legally constituted laws of the State in which they live. Conservatives believe, or at least this actual conservative believes, that if there is a law you don't like, or a paramount political philosophy which you don't think represents you well, you either get up off your backside and work to change that law by changing the politicians driving it, or you live with what they give you. Abortion is a State issue. It has always been a State issue, despite the wrongful and circuitous decision-making that resulted in Roe. Dobbs restored the proper condition on the management of abortion. AZ will have a chance to speak again in a few months and they can either rejoice, move or live with it. Lindsey Graham and others disagree with you. So forgive me if I don't put much weight behind what you say on this little message board. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/09/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-abortion-fight/73258742007/
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 15:33:23 GMT -5
Ish. I know you don't realize it, but your first two sentences reinforced exactly what I was saying. You didn't detract from it by one iota. Also, up till Trump, I didn't give a flying fig what other states did. Your boy changed that. I am sure your memory is so mediocre that you don't remember that while yes a Democrate in registry. I ..... depending on the subject leans conservative. Now, please explain this dichotomy to me. If you can, which I doubt. Maybe I am missing something (please advise) but the so called foundation of the present MAGA/Rep. is the rights of the individual. Is that correct? I am pretty sure it is. So, how is it, why is it, for pretty much the last 8 years has been about, guess what, controlling individual rights. In this case abortion. Tell me, how does an atheist having an abortion in anyway shape or form..... impacts some Bible thumpers life? Now if a fellow Bible thumpers wife decides to have one, thats on them. Them being the cult they are associated with. Please explain these things to me and my inferior mind. /s As normal, you are completely missing the point. AZ has spoken on the issue of abortion. The people have spoken through the politicians they have elected and the laws those politicians have passed. I am not using your moronic pejorative because frankly, easy insults are not worth the time. Conservatives believe, at least this actual conservative believes, that the rights of the individual are paramount, but are still subject to the legally constituted laws of the State in which they live. Conservatives believe, or at least this actual conservative believes, that if there is a law you don't like, or a paramount political philosophy which you don't think represents you well, you either get up off your backside and work to change that law by changing the politicians driving it, or you live with what they give you. Abortion is a State issue. It has always been a State issue, despite the wrongful and circuitous decision-making that resulted in Roe. Dobbs restored the proper condition on the management of abortion. AZ will have a chance to speak again in a few months and they can either rejoice, move or live with it. Ok so then you are saying that what is floating around out there under the guise of Conservatism is actually a zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA) that is pulling the strings in an effort to do exactly the opposite of what you profess?
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:35:44 GMT -5
As normal, you are completely missing the point. AZ has spoken on the issue of abortion. The people have spoken through the politicians they have elected and the laws those politicians have passed. I am not using your moronic pejorative because frankly, easy insults are not worth the time. Conservatives believe, at least this actual conservative believes, that the rights of the individual are paramount, but are still subject to the legally constituted laws of the State in which they live. Conservatives believe, or at least this actual conservative believes, that if there is a law you don't like, or a paramount political philosophy which you don't think represents you well, you either get up off your backside and work to change that law by changing the politicians driving it, or you live with what they give you. Abortion is a State issue. It has always been a State issue, despite the wrongful and circuitous decision-making that resulted in Roe. Dobbs restored the proper condition on the management of abortion. AZ will have a chance to speak again in a few months and they can either rejoice, move or live with it. Lindsey Graham and others disagree with you. So forgive me if I don't put much weight behind what you say on this little message board. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/09/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-abortion-fight/73258742007/ First, let me dispense with what appears to be one of your concerns; I really couldn't possibly care less whether you put much weight behind what I say or not. I absolutely, in no way, support a national ban on abortion. As I have posted multiple times here, I believe such an action would be, IMO, blatantly unconstitutional. Dobbs made the abortion issue a State issue and the agreement or disagreement of Pence and/or Graham is a matter of non-importance. What is, is, the protestations of Graham and Pence notwithstanding.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:39:52 GMT -5
As normal, you are completely missing the point. AZ has spoken on the issue of abortion. The people have spoken through the politicians they have elected and the laws those politicians have passed. I am not using your moronic pejorative because frankly, easy insults are not worth the time. Conservatives believe, at least this actual conservative believes, that the rights of the individual are paramount, but are still subject to the legally constituted laws of the State in which they live. Conservatives believe, or at least this actual conservative believes, that if there is a law you don't like, or a paramount political philosophy which you don't think represents you well, you either get up off your backside and work to change that law by changing the politicians driving it, or you live with what they give you. Abortion is a State issue. It has always been a State issue, despite the wrongful and circuitous decision-making that resulted in Roe. Dobbs restored the proper condition on the management of abortion. AZ will have a chance to speak again in a few months and they can either rejoice, move or live with it. Ok so then you are saying that what is floating around out there under the guise of Conservatism is actually a zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA) that is pulling the strings in an effort to do exactly the opposite of what you profess? NO. What I am saying is that the people of Arizona have, at least to date, spoken loudly against abortion, just as the people of California have decided to treat it as the equivalent of an indoor sport. States have the authority how they will treat abortion. As to (your words, not mine) "zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA)", no. I don't think they are conservatives. I think they see Trump as a better alternative than Biden.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 15:45:30 GMT -5
Ok so then you are saying that what is floating around out there under the guise of Conservatism is actually a zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA) that is pulling the strings in an effort to do exactly the opposite of what you profess? NO. What I am saying is that the people of Arizona have, at least to date, spoken loudly against abortion, just as the people of California have decided to treat it as the equivalent of an indoor sport. States have the authority how they will treat abortion. As to (your words, not mine) "zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA)", no. I don't think they are conservatives. I think they see Trump as a better alternative than Biden. So you are saying that Republicans as we used to know, no longer exist? To narrow it down..... lets stick with AZ. I dunno, when people start stepping outside of political norms, things like following party doctrine. Isn't that an internal coup? Cards face up here. The Grand Old Party is dead at the moment? Also, 'the states decide'? Sure in hell seems like the courts..... NOT THE STATE....aka.... the voters are deciding.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 9, 2024 15:49:26 GMT -5
I think they see Trump as a better alternative than Biden. Back in my day, we call those kind Nazis
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:56:45 GMT -5
NO. What I am saying is that the people of Arizona have, at least to date, spoken loudly against abortion, just as the people of California have decided to treat it as the equivalent of an indoor sport. States have the authority how they will treat abortion. As to (your words, not mine) "zealot crazed .... and pretty messed up group (MAGA)", no. I don't think they are conservatives. I think they see Trump as a better alternative than Biden. So you are saying that Republicans as we used to know, no longer exist? To narrow it down..... lets stick with AZ. I dunno, when people start stepping outside of political norms, things like following party doctrine. Isn't that an internal coup? Cards face up here. The Grand Old Party is dead at the moment? Step away from the labels for a minute and "the party" stuff. The people of AZ voted into office a number of people with a particular view on the subject of abortion. That shared view put significant limits on access to abortion. The majority of voters got what they wanted, restrictions on abortion. That's not an internal coup, nor is it outside of political norms; indeed, it is the measure of political norms, i.e., voting for someone and having them deliver on the philosophy for which they were elected. The current version of the GOP is far more to the right than that with which I am familiar, which is why, in good conscience, I cannot vote for Trump. Conversely, the current version of the Democratic Party is not even in the same zip code as the one with which I am familiar, which is why I cannot, in good conscience, vote for Biden.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 9, 2024 15:57:26 GMT -5
I think they see Trump as a better alternative than Biden. Back in my day, we call those kind Nazis Back in my day, we had better manners then to call someone by that term.
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 9, 2024 16:01:38 GMT -5
So you are saying that Republicans as we used to know, no longer exist? To narrow it down..... lets stick with AZ. I dunno, when people start stepping outside of political norms, things like following party doctrine. Isn't that an internal coup? Cards face up here. The Grand Old Party is dead at the moment? Step away from the labels for a minute and "the party" stuff. The people of AZ voted into office a number of people with a particular view on the subject of abortion. That shared view put significant limits on access to abortion. The majority of voters got what they wanted, restrictions on abortion. That's not an internal coup, nor is it outside of political norms; indeed, it is the measure of political norms, i.e., voting for someone and having them deliver on the philosophy for which they were elected. The current version of the GOP is far more to the right than that with which I am familiar, which is why, in good conscience, I cannot vote for Trump. Conversely, the current version of the Democratic Party is not even in the same zip code as the one with which I am familiar, which is why I cannot, in good conscience, vote for Biden. What policies has Biden pursued that are not traditional D policies?
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Post by msmaggie on Apr 9, 2024 16:03:13 GMT -5
The best thing about these forced birth jokers is they are really, really stupid. Want to ensure massive D turnout in Arizona? Done.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 16:27:56 GMT -5
The best thing about these forced birth jokers is they are really, really stupid. Want to ensure massive D turnout in Arizona? Done. I heard that the livestock, which outnumbers people in the state, are registering as Democrats for the next election. Funny thing, unlike most of the bi-peds in the state the cattle didn't need any help to fill out the forms. 🤣
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2024 16:33:13 GMT -5
Back in my day, we call those kind Nazis Back in my day, we had better manners then to call someone by that term. It's 2024...... If the shoe fits.................
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