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Post by pickle20 on May 3, 2024 14:50:16 GMT -5
So...that means Biden doesn't deserve due process? Is Trump not getting due process? Do you see the hypocrisy you're displaying here? And the Evil Emperor Soros strikes again. LOL. Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. You said he's a criminal. The only way someone can be a criminal is if they're found guilty of a crime. Which crime has Biden been found guilty of? When have I ever denied Trump due process? Where have I called him a criminal? Please find that post and share it.
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Post by msmaggie on May 3, 2024 16:07:31 GMT -5
Hope Hicks today: Trump knew about the payments and his reason for paying was to protect his candidancy.
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Post by smokey1 on May 3, 2024 16:50:16 GMT -5
Hope Hicks today: Trump knew about the payments and his reason for paying was to protect his candidancy. Not a crime.
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 3, 2024 16:55:36 GMT -5
Hope Hicks today: Trump knew about the payments and his reason for paying was to protect his candidancy. Not a crime. No, but it is significant from an evidentiary standpoint but it shows that Trump was aware of the scheme which included the underlying crime that sent Michael Cohen to jail. Again, falsifying business records to cover up another crime is a felony. If you are trying to show that Trump illegally falsified the business records you need to do three things: 1) show what the payments were actually for 2) show that the business records misrepresented those payments and 3) show that Trump was aware of and approved of both 1 and 2 This really is not complicated
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 3, 2024 16:57:34 GMT -5
You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. Trump is getting due process. That's why he's getting his nappy poos in a New York district court room.
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Post by smokey1 on May 3, 2024 18:58:20 GMT -5
You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. Trump is getting due process. That's why he's getting his nappy poos in a New York district court room. But is he getting a fair trial on a trumped up charge that is not even a state crime with a clearly biased judge and a hostile jury?
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 3, 2024 19:01:07 GMT -5
Trump is getting due process. That's why he's getting his nappy poos in a New York district court room. But is he getting a fair trial on a trumped up charge that is not even a state crime with a clearly biased judge and a hostile jury? He's getting a fair trial on a multiple counts of a felony in New York state. In other words, he's getting the exact same treatment as anyone else.
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Post by smokey1 on May 3, 2024 19:21:58 GMT -5
But is he getting a fair trial on a trumped up charge that is not even a state crime with a clearly biased judge and a hostile jury? He's getting a fair trial on a multiple counts of a felony in New York state. In other words, he's getting the exact same treatment as anyone else. Yeah right. I fully expect him to be convicted in this kangaroo court but he should easily win on appeal unless the upper courts are as corrupt as the lower ones in NY.
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Post by palealeman on May 3, 2024 22:47:58 GMT -5
This is an almost childlike observation. Also, incredibly hypocritical. It would be nice if someone on PAM's side would like to actually dive into the details of the case at hand and explain the sundry problems with it that some of us have raised rather than just make partisan pronouncements. It's almost like they don't really want to discuss the legal theory behind claiming Trump committed a crime he hasn't even been indicted for, the nature of the record keeping charges, the statute of limitations for said charges, the decision to bring the charges in the middle of campaign season rather than right after Trump left office, the Judge's conflicts, or any of the actual aspects of the case. Fair enough, SOME attempts have been made to try to kinda-sorta explain how Trump might have violated campaign finance law, but even diving into that never really gets beyond "Trump's payment to Stormy was a campaign expense" which implies it should have been made by the campaign... which seems ridiculous to me. Of course everything seems ridiculous to you. You have no legal background and don't understand the intricacies of the law. I doubt any of us here do. So to try to claim that a legal theory makes no sense does nothing more than point out how little you really know. There have been numerous articles over the last few months explaining, to some extent, the reasoning behind the charges. I'm sure a simple search would bring up several articles that might explain the legal reasoning. It's a lot better and a lot more profitable than calling Mr. Bragg a clown because you don't understand what he's doing. He knows a lot more about law and prosecutions than you'll ever know.
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Post by palealeman on May 3, 2024 22:50:36 GMT -5
Well, it was you who was recently lecturing others about how Trump is innocent until proven guilty. So I should ask you if it only applies to Republicans? Or is it just Trump? Everyone but you guys control the Justice Dept. and have state DA's that were funded by Soros whose mission is to get Trump. Funded by Soros!! There we go -- conspiracy theories!! Can't address something, make up a crazy theory -- an unprovable crazy theory -- to try to explain it away. Thanks for a laugh, Smokey. Sends me to bed in a good mood.
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Post by palealeman on May 3, 2024 22:52:18 GMT -5
So...that means Biden doesn't deserve due process? Is Trump not getting due process? Do you see the hypocrisy you're displaying here? And the Evil Emperor Soros strikes again. LOL. Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. Can you explain just how Trump is being denied due process?
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Post by palealeman on May 3, 2024 22:57:20 GMT -5
He's getting a fair trial on a multiple counts of a felony in New York state. In other words, he's getting the exact same treatment as anyone else. Yeah right. I fully expect him to be convicted in this kangaroo court but he should easily win on appeal unless the upper courts are as corrupt as the lower ones in NY. You sound like Trump -- making excuses before there's any result. Trumped up charges! Corrupt judge! Prejudiced jury! Kangaroo court! Did you ever think that there's a legal basis for the charges? That the judge is conducting the trial properly and in an impartial manner? That the jury takes its duty seriously? You're so biased right now that you can't see the forest for the trees.
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Post by msmaggie on May 4, 2024 3:19:51 GMT -5
Hope Hicks today: Trump knew about the payments and his reason for paying was to protect his candidancy. Not a crime. Misstatement of payments as "legal expenses" in an attempt to secure election is a crime. Are you the one contending that hush money is a legit "legal expense"?
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:10:55 GMT -5
Everyone but you guys control the Justice Dept. and have state DA's that were funded by Soros whose mission is to get Trump. Funded by Soros!! There we go -- conspiracy theories!! Can't address something, make up a crazy theory -- an unprovable crazy theory -- to try to explain it away. Thanks for a laugh, Smokey. Sends me to bed in a good mood. Nope, that gaslight denial claiming everything you guys don't want people to know are conspiracies won't fly here. nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:12:18 GMT -5
Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. Can you explain just how Trump is being denied due process? He is denied it on a personal level when people claim he is guilty without a trial.
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:24:30 GMT -5
Yeah right. I fully expect him to be convicted in this kangaroo court but he should easily win on appeal unless the upper courts are as corrupt as the lower ones in NY. You sound like Trump -- making excuses before there's any result. Trumped up charges! Corrupt judge! Prejudiced jury! Kangaroo court! Did you ever think that there's a legal basis for the charges? That the judge is conducting the trial properly and in an impartial manner? That the jury takes its duty seriously? You're so biased right now that you can't see the forest for the trees. What is the legal basis for the trial? Explain it please. Your own words not some cut and paste from a biased news source.
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:27:00 GMT -5
Misstatement of payments as "legal expenses" in an attempt to secure election is a crime. Are you the one contending that hush money is a legit "legal expense"? Is that a state or federal crime? Why is the state trying to charge a federal crime when the feds wouldn't do it because there was no case? Paying hush money is not illegal.
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Post by Rael on May 4, 2024 8:47:00 GMT -5
So...that means Biden doesn't deserve due process? Is Trump not getting due process? Do you see the hypocrisy you're displaying here? And the Evil Emperor Soros strikes again. LOL. Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. How is using the legal system"denying Trump due process"? Isn't it kind of the definition of due process?
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Post by Rael on May 4, 2024 8:48:32 GMT -5
Trump is getting due process. That's why he's getting his nappy poos in a New York district court room. But is he getting a fair trial on a trumped up charge that is not even a state crime with a clearly biased judge and a hostile jury? What is the evidence for a biased judge and a hostile jury?
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Post by Rael on May 4, 2024 8:51:16 GMT -5
Can you explain just how Trump is being denied due process? He is denied it on a personal level when people claim he is guilty without a trial. So public opinion now stands in for "due process"?
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:53:48 GMT -5
Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. How is using the legal system"denying Trump due process"? Isn't it kind of the definition of due process? I am only talking about individuals who claim Trump is already guilty without trial. I mentioned Biden being a criminal and you all went apoplectic about his due process. Two can play at that game.
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Post by msmaggie on May 4, 2024 8:53:51 GMT -5
Misstatement of payments as "legal expenses" in an attempt to secure election is a crime. Are you the one contending that hush money is a legit "legal expense"? Is that a state or federal crime? Why is the state trying to charge a federal crime when the feds wouldn't do it because there was no case? Paying hush money is not illegal. The charges have been brought by Manhattan DA so what do you think? Not saying hush money is illegal.
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 8:55:01 GMT -5
Is that a state or federal crime? Why is the state trying to charge a federal crime when the feds wouldn't do it because there was no case? Paying hush money is not illegal. The charges have been brought by Manhattan DA so what do you think? Not saying hush money is illegal. Its a federal crime so the Manhattan DA is out of his jurisdiction.
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Post by msmaggie on May 4, 2024 9:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 9:19:08 GMT -5
Trying to gaslight again? A federal crime is crime that violates a federal law. Duh.
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Post by msmaggie on May 4, 2024 9:30:54 GMT -5
Trying to gaslight again? A federal crime is crime that violates a federal law. Duh. Again. I attached the indictment list. Point out which federal laws are alleged to have been broken.
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Post by smokey1 on May 4, 2024 9:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on May 4, 2024 10:01:02 GMT -5
Nope, I never said Biden didn't deserve due process. Stop lying. You deny Trump due process and when I mention the alleged crimes of Biden you want due process for him while denying it to Trump. Talk about hypocrisy. You said he's a criminal. The only way someone can be a criminal is if they're found guilty of a crime. Which crime has Biden been found guilty of? When have I ever denied Trump due process? Where have I called him a criminal? Please find that post and share it. Just what I thought. Ran and hid because he had jack sh!t like always.
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Post by msmaggie on May 4, 2024 10:07:26 GMT -5
Read. The. Indictment. The falsification of business records to facilitate a felony is a felony. Conviction on said attempted felony is not a prerequisite. Even Trump’s own attorneys didn’t dispute the state's jurisdiction on these "grounds". Their (failed) attempt to move the trial to federal court was predicated on the notion that crimes committed as President are de facto federal crimes. Which they are not.
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Post by pickle20 on May 4, 2024 10:08:39 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think nothing sensible can penetrate the lead skull of a MAGA cultist. I guess we need to speak at a higher decibel or something. Break out the dog whistles.
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