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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 16:18:17 GMT -5
He's a hypocrite and everyone around the world can see it. The empire has no clothes. That may well be - but he is still correct. Israel is not subject to not a part of the ICC jurisdiction. . Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Now he’s stuck trying to explain away his hypocrisy. Weird that you’re passing on an opportunity to acknowledge the bad policy on the part of the Biden administration.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 30, 2024 16:26:19 GMT -5
That may well be - but he is still correct. Israel is not subject to not a part of the ICC jurisdiction. . Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Now he’s stuck trying to explain away his hypocrisy. Weird that you’re passing on an opportunity to acknowledge the bad policy on the part of the Biden administration… Commenting on bad Biden policy is simply beating a dead horse. Supporting a silly ICC warrant on Putin is, IMO, likely an effort to support solidarity with NATO partners, just as deferring on a warrant against Israelis is supporting solidarity with an important ME partner.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 16:36:17 GMT -5
Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Now he’s stuck trying to explain away his hypocrisy. Weird that you’re passing on an opportunity to acknowledge the bad policy on the part of the Biden administration… Commenting on bad Biden policy is simply beating a dead horse. Supporting a silly ICC warrant on Putin is, IMO, likely an effort to support solidarity with NATO partners, just as deferring on a warrant against Israelis is supporting solidarity with an important ME partner. My broader point about international law is that there shouldn’t be double-standards. We should govern ourselves and our allies by the same international rules and norms that we expect other nations to follow. Which means, if we’re not going to acknowledge or respect ICC warrants against us or our friends, we should mind our own business if they issue warrants against other nations. Otherwise, not only do our leaders look hypocritical, they’re also undermining the international legal system…
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Post by vosa on Apr 30, 2024 17:13:22 GMT -5
Is this article supposed to make a point of some kind? Israel is not a signatory to the ICC. As a result, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israeli actions. Russia is not a signatory to the ICC. As a result, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Russian actions. The US is not a signatory to the ICC. As a result, the ICC has no jurisdiction over US actions. Iran is not a signatory to the ICC. As a result, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Iranian actions. "Palestine" is a signatory to the ICC, despite the fact that Palestine is not a recognized State. When the ICC starts trying the murders and terrorists that comprise the majority of the "Palestinian" governing authority, aka, Hamas, let me know. Signatories or no signatories all these international organizations are a joke when it comes to enforcing their edicts. Let’s say the ICC conducts a trial, finds Netanyahu guilty of something and issues an arrest warrant. Who’s going to go to Jerusalem and slap the cuffs on Bibi? "As a judicial institution, the ICC does not have its own police force or enforcement body; thus, it relies on cooperation with countries worldwide for support, particularly for making arrests, transferring arrested persons to the ICC detention centre in The Hague, freezing suspects' assets, and enforcing sentences."All these international institutions do is provide a big salary and a posh life style to members of the world’s establishment. Name a war the U.N. has prevented. Name a brutal dictator who has been arrested on orders from the ICC. Their existence and a discussion about their relationship with anything is a waste of time and money. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your point of view, I don’t get to tell people how to spend their time or money. Carry on.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 30, 2024 17:26:36 GMT -5
Commenting on bad Biden policy is simply beating a dead horse. Supporting a silly ICC warrant on Putin is, IMO, likely an effort to support solidarity with NATO partners, just as deferring on a warrant against Israelis is supporting solidarity with an important ME partner. My broader point about international law is that there shouldn’t be double-standards. We should govern ourselves and our allies by the same international rules and norms that we expect other nations to follow. Which means, if we’re not going to acknowledge or respect ICC warrants against us or our friends, we should mind our own business if they issue warrants against other nations. Otherwise, not only do our leaders look hypocritical, they’re also undermining the international legal system… There is no double standard: we treat our friends as friends (to the degree ANY nation in the ME is a friend) and our enemies as enemies. And, once again, neither the US, nor Israel, nor Iran are members of the ICC agreement, so they are not part of this (mythical) international legal system you keep mentioning. Ironically, the only player in this latest episode who is subject to the ICC is "Palestine". Have you seen the warrants for the leadership of Palestine/Hamas yet?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 17:43:01 GMT -5
That may well be - but he is still correct. Israel is not subject to not a part of the ICC jurisdiction. . Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Of course, the big difference here is that Ukraine didn't cross the border on February 7, 2022 and go on a killing spree. Instead, Putin launched a genocidal invasion for territorial conquest.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 21:14:55 GMT -5
Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Of course, the big difference here is that Ukraine didn't cross the border on February 7, 2022 and go on a killing spree. Instead, Putin launched a genocidal invasion for territorial conquest. Israel murdered 15,000 children. That’s more than the number of children killed in all wars for the last four years. What is wrong with you bro? Biden should stfu and let the ICC do what they feel they need to do.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 30, 2024 21:23:51 GMT -5
Of course, the big difference here is that Ukraine didn't cross the border on February 7, 2022 and go on a killing spree. Instead, Putin launched a genocidal invasion for territorial conquest. Israel murdered 15,000 children. That’s more than the number of children killed in all wars for the last four years. What is wrong with you bro? Biden should stfu and let the ICC do what they feel they need to do. The ICC can do whatever they want, they don't work for Biden. They can whip up a pretend warrant any time they want.
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 30, 2024 22:36:40 GMT -5
Neither is Putin. The problem for Biden is, he supported the ICC issuing a warrant against Putin. Now he’s stuck trying to explain away his hypocrisy. Weird that you’re passing on an opportunity to acknowledge the bad policy on the part of the Biden administration… Commenting on bad Biden policy is simply beating a dead horse. Supporting a silly ICC warrant on Putin is, IMO, likely an effort to support solidarity with NATO partners, just as deferring on a warrant against Israelis is supporting solidarity with an important ME partner. You make it sound like seeking justice is a thing to avoid. I'm not surprised but I am surprised that you are admitting it so openly. You tend towards burying republican trials in technicalities and an obsessive analysis of details. One could be forgiven for thinking that you enjoy finding obstructions to bringing monsters and their policies to justice.
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Post by ishmael on May 1, 2024 5:18:57 GMT -5
Commenting on bad Biden policy is simply beating a dead horse. Supporting a silly ICC warrant on Putin is, IMO, likely an effort to support solidarity with NATO partners, just as deferring on a warrant against Israelis is supporting solidarity with an important ME partner. You make it sound like seeking justice is a thing to avoid. I'm not surprised but I am surprised that you are admitting it so openly. You tend towards burying republican trials in technicalities and an obsessive analysis of details. One could be forgiven for thinking that you enjoy finding obstructions to bringing monsters and their policies to justice. You really don't understand your own position, do you? How can you possibly not understand that it is the details of law that separate us from the Putins, the Xis, the Kims and the Ayatollahs? What you want to do, so you can take your version of revenge justice out on someone else, is ignore law. I've told you before, you're more trumpian than Trump. And when were you named the arbiter of justice?
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Post by soulflower on May 1, 2024 5:58:45 GMT -5
Sec. Blinken is wrong again.
Israel being indicted for war crimes is a danger only to nations that enabled Israel to commit said war crimes.
The Sec. of State is refusing to act on actual evidence of Israeli war crimes and that has led to several Leaks and high level resignations at the State Department.
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Post by soulflower on May 1, 2024 13:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 3, 2024 7:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on May 6, 2024 9:08:49 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on May 6, 2024 11:34:00 GMT -5
The US is increasingly looking like a psychopathic clown. We’re becoming a weird Joker/IT amalgam.
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Post by soulflower on May 7, 2024 15:59:58 GMT -5
Video summary of the article
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