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Post by JoyinMudville on May 2, 2024 21:45:17 GMT -5
Didn't see this coming
I don't actually know enough about the legal issues to comment further.
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Post by ivanbalt on May 3, 2024 5:18:03 GMT -5
Good luck with this. Using this logic, I guess Palestinians can sue AIPAC on similar grounds.
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Post by soulflower on May 3, 2024 6:08:33 GMT -5
Frivolous lawsuit.
Some would make it illegal to view Palestinians as people if they could.
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Post by msmaggie on May 5, 2024 7:55:39 GMT -5
Seems pretty foolish.
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Post by rocketwolf on May 5, 2024 11:12:28 GMT -5
Frivolous lawsuit. Some would make it illegal to view Palestinians as people if they could. However it would be nice if Palestinians viewed the Jewish the same way as they wish to be viewed.
Just something I've noticed.
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Post by kandace on May 5, 2024 11:20:02 GMT -5
It is foolish, but that merely echoes the overall behavior of the Israeli state.
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Post by WKDWZD on May 5, 2024 11:20:33 GMT -5
Frivolous lawsuit. Some would make it illegal to view Palestinians as people if they could. However it would be nice if Palestinians viewed the Jewish the same way as they wish to be viewed.
Just something I've noticed.
Pretty difficult I expect when Israeli bombs and missiles are raining down on you 24/7 in your refugee camps and 'safe places'.
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Post by mrsmlh on May 5, 2024 11:31:18 GMT -5
Frivolous lawsuit. Some would make it illegal to view Palestinians as people if they could. However it would be nice if Palestinians viewed the Jewish the same way as they wish to be viewed.
Just something I've noticed.
Actually the Palestinians do view the Jewish how they would like to be viewed. It's the Israelis that are the problem because they are the one bombing the Palestinians 24/7.
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Post by rocketwolf on May 5, 2024 11:39:25 GMT -5
However it would be nice if Palestinians viewed the Jewish the same way as they wish to be viewed.
Just something I've noticed.
Pretty difficult I expect when Israeli bombs and missiles are raining down on you 24/7 in your refugee camps and 'safe places'. Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
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Post by mrsmlh on May 5, 2024 12:08:35 GMT -5
Pretty difficult I expect when Israeli bombs and missiles are raining down on you 24/7 in your refugee camps and 'safe places'. Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
I see you said "this particular chapter". Is that because you know that it is usually the Israelis starting the bombing, killing? It is impossible for the Palestinians to wipe out the Israelis but the Israelis are doing a very good job of wiping out the Palestinians.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 12:18:34 GMT -5
Pretty difficult I expect when Israeli bombs and missiles are raining down on you 24/7 in your refugee camps and 'safe places'. Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
There are many Israelis who have never met any “good Arabs” and there are many Palestinians who have never met any “good Israelis”. That’s the biggest problem and why this issue is so difficult to resolve. Both sides know very little about the other side and see mostly bad people on the opposing sides. As Americans, it’s important for us to acknowledge that there are good people on both sides of this and peace is possible there’s less violence and more diplomacy…
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Post by msmaggie on May 5, 2024 12:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
There are many Israelis who have never met any “good Arabs” and there are many Palestinians who have never met any “good Israelis”. That’s the biggest problem and why this issue is so difficult to resolve. Both sides know very little about the other side and see mostly bad people on the opposing sides. As Americans, it’s important for us to acknowledge that there are good people on both sides of this and peace is possible there’s less violence and more diplomacy… Precisely. Would like to see more robust engagement by other Arab nations as well. For all their crocodile tears, they've been content too long to use the Palestinians as pawns.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 12:39:23 GMT -5
There are many Israelis who have never met any “good Arabs” and there are many Palestinians who have never met any “good Israelis”. That’s the biggest problem and why this issue is so difficult to resolve. Both sides know very little about the other side and see mostly bad people on the opposing sides. As Americans, it’s important for us to acknowledge that there are good people on both sides of this and peace is possible there’s less violence and more diplomacy… Precisely. Would like to see more robust engagement by other Arab nations as well. For all their crocodile tears, they've been content too long to use the Palestinians as pawns. I don’t think that has been true over the last 15 years. There has been a realignment in Mideast politics since the Iraq war. The last Arab nationalist leader (outside of Arafat) was arguably Saddam Hussein. Arab Nationalism (spearheaded by leaders like Gamal Nassar and Hafez Assad) is pretty much a non-factor in Mideast politics today. Most Arab governments have good relations with Israel. The remaining obstacle to full diplomatic relations between Israel and their Arab neighbors is the unresolved Palestinian refugee issue…
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Post by msmaggie on May 5, 2024 12:53:35 GMT -5
Precisely. Would like to see more robust engagement by other Arab nations as well. For all their crocodile tears, they've been content too long to use the Palestinians as pawns. I don’t think that has been true over the last 15 years. There has been a realignment in Mideast politics since the Iraq war. The last Arab nationalist leader (outside of Arafat) was arguably Saddam Hussein. Arab Nationalism (spearheaded by leaders like Gamal Nassar and Hafez Assad) is pretty much a non-factor in Mideast politics today. Most Arab governments have good relations with Israel. The remaining obstacle to full diplomatic relations between Israel and their Arab neighbors is the unresolved Palestinian refugee issue… www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277It is in the interests of these nations to focus on the plight of the Palestinians. Deflects attention from how poorly they treat their own citizens.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 13:12:35 GMT -5
I don’t think that has been true over the last 15 years. There has been a realignment in Mideast politics since the Iraq war. The last Arab nationalist leader (outside of Arafat) was arguably Saddam Hussein. Arab Nationalism (spearheaded by leaders like Gamal Nassar and Hafez Assad) is pretty much a non-factor in Mideast politics today. Most Arab governments have good relations with Israel. The remaining obstacle to full diplomatic relations between Israel and their Arab neighbors is the unresolved Palestinian refugee issue… www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277It is in the interests of these nations to focus on the plight of the Palestinians. Deflects attention from how poorly they treat their own citizens. I get that but you’re missing the big picture. They have to at least give the appearance of disapproval of what Israel is doing in Gaza because their citizens that they govern are outraged. Even dictators need to give a little when it comes to public opinion. Faking concern about the Palestinians is for their own citizens. But the political reality of the last decade is that the US, Arab governments, and Israel have mostly been aligned on countering Iran and other issues. And the Arab states for the most part stopped helping the Palestinians years ago. Example, for years they said they wouldn’t make peace with Israel until the Palestinian issue was settled. Under Trump and continuing through Biden, Arab leaders have been making peace and diplomatic deals with Israel. They’re ready to move on from the Palestinian issue but the citizens who live in their countries are not. If Iran and Israel go to war, it’s almost guaranteed that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE would side with Israel against Iran. As for the Palestinians, it’s not realistic to expect them to ever be content with the status quo. So until the refugee situations in the West Bank and Gaza are resolved, we’re going to be dealing with these cycles of violence…
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Post by ishmael on May 5, 2024 14:46:49 GMT -5
I get that but you’re missing the big picture. They have to at least give the appearance of disapproval of what Israel is doing in Gaza because their citizens that they govern are outraged. Even dictators need to give a little when it comes to public opinion. Faking concern about the Palestinians is for their own citizens. But the political reality of the last decade is that the US, Arab governments, and Israel have mostly been aligned on countering Iran and other issues. And the Arab states for the most part stopped helping the Palestinians years ago. Example, for years they said they wouldn’t make peace with Israel until the Palestinian issue was settled. Under Trump and continuing through Biden, Arab leaders have been making peace and diplomatic deals with Israel. They’re ready to move on from the Palestinian issue but the citizens who live in their countries are not. If Iran and Israel go to war, it’s almost guaranteed that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE would side with Israel against Iran. As for the Palestinians, it’s not realistic to expect them to ever be content with the status quo. So until the refugee situations in the West Bank and Gaza are resolved, we’re going to be dealing with these cycles of violence… She's not the only one missing the big picture. The Arab States you mention continue to let if not encourage, weapons and arms get to Hamas, Hezbollah and other bad actors. These Arab States continue to act with blind apathy to the plight of the people of Gaza as well as to the security needs of Israel. These Arab States continue to allow, and perhaps encourage, these terrorist groups to divert resources and assets to commit acts of violence. It was not in Israel's interest to go to war against Hamas with Iran threatening Israel's very existence. Oct 7 made ignoring the ongoing threat from Hamas impossible to ignore any longer. Has Israel overdone? Yes. Could the Arab States have helped solve this issue a generation ago? Absolutely.
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Post by WKDWZD on May 5, 2024 15:08:23 GMT -5
Pretty difficult I expect when Israeli bombs and missiles are raining down on you 24/7 in your refugee camps and 'safe places'. Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
Yes, you can ask, but I will not play that game of "chapters". The "bomb" that you are referring to didn't happen out of a vacuum. What Hamas did was inexcusable, but, what Israeal has been doing to Palestinians for decades is also inexcusable. If you are okay with genocide being the answer, I guess you are with the majority of Americans. You are however not with the majority of world opinion. The US will be rightly ostracized, along with Israel, forever in the annuls of history, because of your complicity in the genocide. Tell me. Why should genocide be ok if it is Palestinians that are being erased, but not ok if it is Israelis that are erased? "Never again" is for everyone, not just the Jews.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 15:10:34 GMT -5
I get that but you’re missing the big picture. They have to at least give the appearance of disapproval of what Israel is doing in Gaza because their citizens that they govern are outraged. Even dictators need to give a little when it comes to public opinion. Faking concern about the Palestinians is for their own citizens. But the political reality of the last decade is that the US, Arab governments, and Israel have mostly been aligned on countering Iran and other issues. And the Arab states for the most part stopped helping the Palestinians years ago. Example, for years they said they wouldn’t make peace with Israel until the Palestinian issue was settled. Under Trump and continuing through Biden, Arab leaders have been making peace and diplomatic deals with Israel. They’re ready to move on from the Palestinian issue but the citizens who live in their countries are not. If Iran and Israel go to war, it’s almost guaranteed that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE would side with Israel against Iran. As for the Palestinians, it’s not realistic to expect them to ever be content with the status quo. So until the refugee situations in the West Bank and Gaza are resolved, we’re going to be dealing with these cycles of violence… She's not the only one missing the big picture. The Arab States you mention continue to let if not encourage, weapons and arms get to Hamas, Hezbollah and other bad actors. That's false. Saudi Arabia and Egypt hate Hamas and Iran. When the Saudis killed the Washington Post reporter in their embassy in Turkey, who came to the defense of the Saudi Prince? Netanyahu. Netanyahu said to urge Washington to stick by Saudi crown prince Historic UAE-Israel Trade Deal Proves Abraham Accords' ResilienceYou seem to be ignoring stuff like that and the Abraham Accords which began under Trump. I understand that politics in the Middle East is complex and alliances are always shifting. But it's absolutely not true that the Saudis, the Egyptians, or even Syria support the Palestinians today as much as they did decades ago. Qatar is the only Arab country that deals with Hamas. The Saudis work with the Palestinian Authority. So your opinion is based on misunderstandings about current politics in the Middle East. Hamas has few allies and none of the other Arab governments care about the Palestinians anymore. The Palestinians are basically on their own at this point.
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Post by ishmael on May 5, 2024 15:23:24 GMT -5
She's not the only one missing the big picture. The Arab States you mention continue to let if not encourage, weapons and arms get to Hamas, Hezbollah and other bad actors. That's false. Saudi Arabia and Egypt hate Hamas and Iran. When the Saudis killed the Washington Post reporter in their embassy in Turkey, who came to the defense of the Saudi Prince? Netanyahu. You seem to be ignoring stuff like that and the Abraham Accords that began under Trump. I understand that politics in the Middle East is complex and alliances are always shifting. But it's absolutely not true that the Saudis, the Egyptians, or even Syria support the Palestinians today as much as they did decades ago. Qatar is the only Arab country that deals with Hamas. The Saudis work with the Palestinian Authority. So your opinion is based on misunderstandings about current politics in the Middle East. Hamas has few allies and none of the other Arab governments care about the Palestinians anymore. The Palestinians are basically on their own at this point. I understand you believe you know a lot about the ME, but tell me, you've opined in numerous threads that the Israelis don't allow shipping directly into Gaza and that Gaza has no airport. So how do you think war material is getting into the Gaza Strip? I'm pretty sure they don't practice physical magic, and I am VERY good at logistics, so... I agree that they don't support the Palestinians as much as in the past. But we're not talking about the Palestinians, we're talking about Hamas. Not supporting Hamas is not the same as turning a blind eye to those that do. If the other Arab States would provide the security necessary to keep Hamas' access to war material out of Gaza, and provide alternative opportunities for economic growth for the people of Gaza, how long would Hamas last? The Abraham Accords, like all international agreements, are only as good as the partners to the agreement support its details. That the Palestinians are "basically on their own at this point" is the problem. It is the Arab States failure to provide alternative governing in Gaza that places where we are today. And no, that doesn't excuse what Israel is doing and will do. But one would think that after 75 years of having a prosperous and independent Israel next door, these other countries would begin to recognize that their neighbor's security derives from their willingness to help provide it.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 15:40:20 GMT -5
That's false. Saudi Arabia and Egypt hate Hamas and Iran. When the Saudis killed the Washington Post reporter in their embassy in Turkey, who came to the defense of the Saudi Prince? Netanyahu. You seem to be ignoring stuff like that and the Abraham Accords that began under Trump. I understand that politics in the Middle East is complex and alliances are always shifting. But it's absolutely not true that the Saudis, the Egyptians, or even Syria support the Palestinians today as much as they did decades ago. Qatar is the only Arab country that deals with Hamas. The Saudis work with the Palestinian Authority. So your opinion is based on misunderstandings about current politics in the Middle East. Hamas has few allies and none of the other Arab governments care about the Palestinians anymore. The Palestinians are basically on their own at this point. I understand you believe you know a lot about the ME, but tell me, you've opined in numerous threads that the Israelis don't allow shipping directly into Gaza and that Gaza has no airport. So how do you think war material is getting into the Gaza Strip? I'm pretty sure they don't practice physical magic, and I am VERY good at logistics, so... Obviously it's being smuggled into Gaza. If you know anything about Egyptian politics, then you know their government has a bad history with the Muslim Brotherhood, which was involved with the assassination of Anwar Sadat. The Egyptian government has no interest in helping the MB or Hamas, which was founded by the Brotherhood. It's also a confirmed fact that Egyptian intelligence tipped off Israel about what Hamas was up to prior to Oct. 7th but Israel didn't act on the intelligence. Nevertheless, it's very difficult for any country to stop smugglers. We should know as well as anyone else because our government hasn't been able to stop the smuggling of drugs or people across our southern border. I agree that they don't support the Palestinians as much as in the past. But we're not talking about the Palestinians, we're talking about Hamas. As of today, the only Arab government that supports Hamas is Qatar. The Muslim Brotherhood isn't popular in the Arab world among the ruling parties/monarchies. Even in Syria Hamas is unpopular because during the Syrian civil war, Hamas aligned with the anti-Assad rebels. Jordan has been a great neighbor to Israel and ally to the US. Highly doubtful that they're helping Hamas. At worst, there are non-state actors within neighboring countries that are helping Hamas. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood is still active in Egypt although they have no political power. And no, that doesn't excuse what Israel is doing and will do. But one would think that after 75 years of having a prosperous and independent Israel next door, these other countries would begin to recognize that their neighbor's security derives from their willingness to help provide it. Again, why are you ignoring the Abraham Accords? The evidence that Israel's neighbors (except Syria) would like to move on from the Palestine issue and have good relations with Israel and the US is overwhelming. But the Arab people who live in the region get a vote and they're not happy about making peace with Israel under the current circumstances. Your view of the Middle East doesn't reflect the current geopolitical alignment.
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Post by ishmael on May 5, 2024 16:00:14 GMT -5
I understand you believe you know a lot about the ME, but tell me, you've opined in numerous threads that the Israelis don't allow shipping directly into Gaza and that Gaza has no airport. So how do you think war material is getting into the Gaza Strip? I'm pretty sure they don't practice physical magic, and I am VERY good at logistics, so... Obviously it's being smuggled into Gaza. If you know anything about Egyptian politics, then you know their government has a bad history with the Muslim Brotherhood, which was involved with the assassination of Anwar Sadat. The Egyptian government has no interest in helping the MB or Hamas, which was founded by the Brotherhood. It's also a confirmed fact that Egyptian intelligence tipped off Israel about what Hamas was up to prior to Oct. 7th but Israel didn't act on the intelligence. Nevertheless, it's very difficult for any country to stop smugglers. We should know as well as anyone else because our government hasn't been able to stop the smuggling of drugs or people across our southern border. I agree that they don't support the Palestinians as much as in the past. But we're not talking about the Palestinians, we're talking about Hamas. As of today, the only Arab government that supports Hamas is Qatar. The Muslim Brotherhood isn't popular in the Arab world among the ruling parties/monarchies. Even in Syria Hamas is unpopular because during the Syrian civil war, Hamas aligned with the anti-Assad rebels. Jordan has been a great neighbor to Israel and ally to the US. Highly doubtful that they're helping Hamas. At worst, there are non-state actors within neighboring countries that are helping Hamas. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood is still active in Egypt although they have no political power. And no, that doesn't excuse what Israel is doing and will do. But one would think that after 75 years of having a prosperous and independent Israel next door, these other countries would begin to recognize that their neighbor's security derives from their willingness to help provide it. Again, why are you ignoring the Abraham Accords? The evidence that Israel's neighbors (except Syria) would like to move on from the Palestine issue and have good relations with Israel and the US is overwhelming. But the Arab people who live in the region get a vote and they're not happy about making peace with Israel under the current circumstances. Your view of the Middle East doesn't reflect the current geopolitical alignment. Your view of the Middle East reflects a lack of understanding of the depth of that alignment. I don't ignore the Accords at all. I just don't accept them at face value as you do. The "current circumstances" have gone on for only 6 months. The attacks from Gaza have been going on for years and years. Stopping the flow of material into Gaza is not a particularly difficult task if the three States wish to do, particularly since they are bound by few laws. There is but one road that goes into Gaza from Egypt and that is through Rafa. Jordan and Saudi Arabia both have access to the Sinai, and eventually to Rafah over a relatively long road that runs alongside the Israeli border, through the Gulf of Aqaba. That's it. There is no other surface access to Gaza. So yeah, monitoring the Egyptian road that runs along the border, and closing access to Gaza from Egypt, is a relatively simple task. These three States, and particularly Egypt, have chosen not to do so.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 16:07:53 GMT -5
Obviously it's being smuggled into Gaza. If you know anything about Egyptian politics, then you know their government has a bad history with the Muslim Brotherhood, which was involved with the assassination of Anwar Sadat. The Egyptian government has no interest in helping the MB or Hamas, which was founded by the Brotherhood. It's also a confirmed fact that Egyptian intelligence tipped off Israel about what Hamas was up to prior to Oct. 7th but Israel didn't act on the intelligence. Nevertheless, it's very difficult for any country to stop smugglers. We should know as well as anyone else because our government hasn't been able to stop the smuggling of drugs or people across our southern border. As of today, the only Arab government that supports Hamas is Qatar. The Muslim Brotherhood isn't popular in the Arab world among the ruling parties/monarchies. Even in Syria Hamas is unpopular because during the Syrian civil war, Hamas aligned with the anti-Assad rebels. Jordan has been a great neighbor to Israel and ally to the US. Highly doubtful that they're helping Hamas. At worst, there are non-state actors within neighboring countries that are helping Hamas. For example, the Muslim Brotherhood is still active in Egypt although they have no political power. Again, why are you ignoring the Abraham Accords? The evidence that Israel's neighbors (except Syria) would like to move on from the Palestine issue and have good relations with Israel and the US is overwhelming. But the Arab people who live in the region get a vote and they're not happy about making peace with Israel under the current circumstances. Your view of the Middle East doesn't reflect the current geopolitical alignment. Your view of the Middle East reflects a lack of understanding of the depth of that alignment. I don't ignore the Accords at all. I just don't accept them at face value as you do. The "current circumstances" have gone on for only 6 months. The attacks from Gaza have been going on for years and years. Stopping the flow of material into Gaza is not a particularly difficult task if the three States wish to do, particularly since they are bound by few laws. There is but one road that goes into Gaza from Egypt and that is through Rafa. Jordan and Saudi Arabia both have access to the Sinai, and eventually to Rafah over a relatively long road that runs alongside the Israeli border, through the Gulf of Aqaba. That's it. There is no other surface access to Gaza. So yeah, monitoring the Egyptian road that runs along the border, and closing access to Gaza from Egypt, is a relatively simple task. These three States, and particularly Egypt, have chosen not to do so. You're entitled to your own opinion but your lack of humility is incredible. Given that I understand how much the Egyptian government dislikes Hamas and the close security ties between Israel and Egypt, my default assumption is: If Egypt were able to stop groups from smuggling things into Gaza from Egypt they would have done so by now.
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Post by vosa on May 5, 2024 16:29:51 GMT -5
Good luck with this. Using this logic, I guess Palestinians can sue AIPAC on similar grounds. Doesn't sound like a very solid case to me either.
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Post by vosa on May 5, 2024 16:31:34 GMT -5
It is foolish, but that merely echoes the overall behavior of the Israeli state. Try as you might you and your ilk are not going to get people to forget who started all of this.
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Post by pickle20 on May 5, 2024 17:18:29 GMT -5
Not that I am for it, or agree with it, but why shouldn’t nations be allowed to fund and arm Hamas? We fund and arm Israel, a country that is currently carrying out a genocidal campaign against Gaza.
People seem to think only Israel should receive support, while supporting Hamas or Palestinians is wrong. They’re the same thing since Israel lowered themselves to Hamas level in their cruelty.
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Post by soulflower on May 5, 2024 17:27:44 GMT -5
Not that I am for it, or agree with it, but why shouldn’t nations be allowed to fund and arm Hamas? We fund and arm Israel, a country that is currently carrying out a genocidal campaign against Gaza. People seem to think only Israel should receive support, while supporting Hamas or Palestinians is wrong. They’re the same thing since Israel lowered themselves to Hamas level in their cruelty. Lost is the fact that Hamas is the official ruling party of Gaza's government. They are a terrorist group for sure but they have a civilian wing that managed governing in Gaza. In contrast, the West Bank is run by the Palestinian Authority. Ironically, Netanyahu has attempted to cut their funding even though the PA leaders are moderate compared to Hamas. In a 2018 letter, Netanyahu asks Qatar to fund Hamas
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Post by rocketwolf on May 5, 2024 17:46:14 GMT -5
Yes, But I can ask who dropped the first "bomb" that started this particular chapter of death and destruction?
Hating enough to kill others begets more hate enough to kill ad infinitum.
The way it's going genocide of one or the other seems to be the only ending here to an otherwise eternal war.
Probably impossible and certainly the most horrid answer possible.
Yes, you can ask, but I will not play that game of "chapters". The "bomb" that you are referring to didn't happen out of a vacuum. What Hamas did was inexcusable, but, what Israeal has been doing to Palestinians for decades is also inexcusable. If you are okay with genocide being the answer, I guess you are with the majority of Americans. You are however not with the majority of world opinion. The US will be rightly ostracized, along with Israel, forever in the annuls of history, because of your complicity in the genocide. Tell me. Why should genocide be ok if it is Palestinians that are being erased, but not ok if it is Israelis that are erased? "Never again" is for everyone, not just the Jews. You seem to think I think genocide is the answer, it's not. But portions of both sides think it is. I wish they would stop killing each other. But will they ever do that? I see no end to it, if I had a magic wand Id wave it
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Post by vosa on May 5, 2024 18:35:46 GMT -5
Not that I am for it, or agree with it, but why shouldn’t nations be allowed to fund and arm Hamas? We fund and arm Israel, a country that is currently carrying out a genocidal campaign against Gaza. People seem to think only Israel should receive support, while supporting Hamas or Palestinians is wrong. They’re the same thing since Israel lowered themselves to Hamas level in their cruelty. Does the concept of right and wrong have any meaning for you?
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Post by zenwalk on May 5, 2024 18:41:37 GMT -5
Not that I am for it, or agree with it, but why shouldn’t nations be allowed to fund and arm Hamas? We fund and arm Israel, a country that is currently carrying out a genocidal campaign against Gaza. People seem to think only Israel should receive support, while supporting Hamas or Palestinians is wrong. They’re the same thing since Israel lowered themselves to Hamas level in their cruelty. Does the concept of right and wrong have any meaning for you? "Right and wrong" sounds like a description of you.
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Post by vosa on May 5, 2024 18:43:21 GMT -5
Not that I am for it, or agree with it, but why shouldn’t nations be allowed to fund and arm Hamas? We fund and arm Israel, a country that is currently carrying out a genocidal campaign against Gaza. People seem to think only Israel should receive support, while supporting Hamas or Palestinians is wrong. They’re the same thing since Israel lowered themselves to Hamas level in their cruelty. Lost is the fact that Hamas is the official ruling party of Gaza's government. They are a terrorist group for sure but they have a civilian wing that managed governing in Gaza. In contrast, the West Bank is run by the Palestinian Authority. Ironically, Netanyahu has attempted to cut their funding even though the PA leaders are moderate compared to Hamas. In a 2018 letter, Netanyahu asks Qatar to fund Hamas And they've done a piss poor job a it.And the reason is that Hamas and the PA devote most of the aid they receive to their terrorist activities instead of to the welfare of their people.
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