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Post by msmaggie on Oct 3, 2022 7:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by grindelwald on Oct 3, 2022 8:05:19 GMT -5
Well they did make a Nazi symbol out of their stage floor.  |
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Post by kandace on Oct 3, 2022 9:49:41 GMT -5
But both sides are doing Nazi symbols.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 3, 2022 9:57:41 GMT -5
It is sadly funny sometimes (if that is a proper phrase to use) just how stupid some of these people can be.
If the CPAC folks knew what the stage looked like, that it was identical to a symbol of hate, and intolerance, and death, and they used it anyway, it is really frightening.
If the CPAC folks weren't aware of this symbol when they designed the stage, one has to wonder if, in this day and age, they are mentally competent to be speaking to anyone other than themselves.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 9:58:35 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue?
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Post by ishmael on Oct 3, 2022 10:01:32 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? The American public will debate the issue in early November.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 10:09:06 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? The American public will debate the issue in early November. We're approaching $90 billion in spending this year and there has been little to no debate in Congress on writing Blank Checks for a war that could last years. Congress should stop avoiding having public debates about Defense spending and aid to other countries...
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 3, 2022 10:48:21 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? Is that was CPAC was doing? Putin's their brand of fascist plus they got to criticize Biden.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 10:58:53 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? Is that was CPAC was doing? Putin's their brand of fascist plus they got to criticize Biden.
The tweet, which CPAC later deleted and called “unauthorized,” read in part, “Vladimir Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian-occupied territories. Biden and the Dems continue to send Ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars.” The message was intended to criticize the recent $12.3 billion included in the fed’s short term funding plan to assist in the Ukrainian war effort—but CPAC acknowledged that it “belittled the plight of the innocent Ukrainian people.”The Tweet was poorly worded and I'm glad that CPAC apologized to Ukraine. But aside from that, I don't see anything wrong with their criticism of how much is being spent on the Russia-Ukraine war. It's a legit issue for political debate. Also, it's weird how "inflation" doesn't apply to Defense spending.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 3, 2022 11:15:55 GMT -5
Is that was CPAC was doing? Putin's their brand of fascist plus they got to criticize Biden.
The tweet, which CPAC later deleted and called “unauthorized,” read in part, “Vladimir Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian-occupied territories. Biden and the Dems continue to send Ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars.” The message was intended to criticize the recent $12.3 billion included in the fed’s short term funding plan to assist in the Ukrainian war effort—but CPAC acknowledged that it “belittled the plight of the innocent Ukrainian people.”The Tweet was poorly worded and I'm glad that CPAC apologized to Ukraine. But aside from that, I don't see anything wrong with their criticism of how much is being spent on the Russia-Ukraine war. It's a legit issue for political debate. Also, it's weird how "inflation" doesn't apply to Defense spending. The issue is legit for political debate, I'm just not taking CPAC criticism seriously. They don't care about spending or war, just that Biden is spending money against a dictator they align with.
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 12:03:28 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue?At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. 
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 12:10:34 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue?At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. If we're being honest, most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map or distinguish between a Ukrainian accent and a Russian accent. That doesn't mean Congress shouldn't debate America's role in the war and put limits on how much money we're committing to the war...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 13:27:38 GMT -5
At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. If we're being honest, most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map or distinguish between a Ukrainian accent and a Russian accent. That doesn't mean Congress shouldn't debate America's role in the war and put limits on how much money we're committing to the war... Because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, people around the world are getting more exposure to Ukrainian and Russian through social media posts, news stories, viral videos of Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and signs from protesters. On Duolingo, we saw a 200% increase in learners studying Ukrainian between the weeks of February 14 and February 21, which we take to reflect growing interest in Ukraine and its people and is perhaps even an act of solidarity. Don’t sell humanity short. |
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Post by ishmael on Oct 3, 2022 14:25:27 GMT -5
The American public will debate the issue in early November. We're approaching $90 billion in spending this year and there has been little to no debate in Congress on writing Blank Checks for a war that could last years. Congress should stop avoiding having public debates about Defense spending and aid to other countries... And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? |
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 14:42:16 GMT -5
We're approaching $90 billion in spending this year and there has been little to no debate in Congress on writing Blank Checks for a war that could last years. Congress should stop avoiding having public debates about Defense spending and aid to other countries... And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district)
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 15:03:03 GMT -5
We're approaching $90 billion in spending this year and there has been little to no debate in Congress on writing Blank Checks for a war that could last years. Congress should stop avoiding having public debates about Defense spending and aid to other countries... And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? A lot depends upon their having an R after their name. 😁😄 And in my case I can't vote against that gas-toker Harris. 😃
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 15:03:54 GMT -5
And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) I will say an extra Rosary for you. You poor soul. Kidding .... but not. And since the MAGA people claim there is so much easy blatant voter fraud ..... please against him in my sted as well. 😄
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Post by ishmael on Oct 3, 2022 15:17:51 GMT -5
And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) I ask because the ONLY way to hold an elected official accountable for not doing what you want is to vote them out. |
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 3, 2022 16:23:55 GMT -5
And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) Unfortunately I'm now in his district too. I will definitely be voting against him.
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 16:41:46 GMT -5
I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) Unfortunately I'm now in his district too. I will definitely be voting against him. I'll add a Hail Mary for you as well. Kind of a sidetrack, but when my wife and I were prepping for official places to retire too. The standard stuff NC, SC, etc. was looked at...... brochures and web say great things. But life and stuff happened and we are still here. Move ahead about decade. Yeah still here. 😁 At any rate my wife and I were discussing "if we had moved". Considering the MAGA/etc garbage now doing on in the places we considered, we agreed we would have lost our minds. And the weather, aside from Florida which aside from the hurricanes is very nice! Now the other states NC etc. the weather may have been but now, isn't much better than we get here in MD. Literally depends on which way the wind is blowing. Sorry just a random comment. But anyone else pondered this?
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Post by vosa on Oct 3, 2022 16:51:06 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue?At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. Is pre-WW2 history even taught in our schools anymore? Gender studies - Yes. Using the correct pronouns - Yes. White privilege - Yes. Oppression of Blacks - Yes. But pre-WW2 history? C'mon, man.
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 17:08:06 GMT -5
At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. If we're being honest, most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map or distinguish between a Ukrainian accent and a Russian accent. That doesn't mean Congress shouldn't debate America's role in the war and put limits on how much money we're committing to the war... Well in defense of that; I was pretty proud of myself back in JR. High because I could name most all the countries that one found on a globe made in 1959. You have to admit that it is a bit more difficult now. (Please take that a kidding around). Now accents, I grew up in South River NJ. The town grew exponentially during WW2 and afterwards as more an more DPs (Displaced persons) came here. Polish, Russian, Lithuanians, Czechs and more. Mostly centrally located in the center of pre-war so that would be what is now Ukraine. While I could not speak most of those languages, I could figure out which nation someone was from. What is lacking now is that most people aren't given the opportunity to hear multiple languages anymore. To be honest that is one of those things I miss. Going to a friends homes ..... each with an grandparent or two..... switching between English, broken English and their natural language.
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 3, 2022 17:10:08 GMT -5
At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. Is pre-WW2 history even taught in our schools anymore? Gender studies - Yes. Using the correct pronouns - Yes. White privilege - Yes. Oppression of Blacks - Yes. But pre-WW2 history? C'mon, man. Here ya gone. This is from my neighborhood. Feel free to add your own and point out the subjects you claim are being taught. www.pghschools.org/course-catalog |
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Post by guido2 on Oct 3, 2022 18:17:30 GMT -5
At the point where they have read enough pre-WW2 history to pass a test to see if they know enough to speak intelligently about it. Gender studies - Yes. Using the correct pronouns - Yes. White privilege - Yes. Oppression of Blacks - Yes. But pre-WW2 history? C'mon, man. I wouldn't know since I don't have kids. But if I did, I am pretty sure that I would be making a bigger noise about that then worrying about the ghost that you seem to harbor underneath your bed.
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Post by augustwest on Oct 3, 2022 20:35:58 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? Putin is about to be defeated. And all we had to do was help a country with $$$ the feds would have wasted somewhere else. |
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 20:42:16 GMT -5
A lot of Americans have reservations about sending so much money to Ukraine. At what point is the American public allowed to debate the issue? Putin is about to be defeated. And all we had to do was help a country with $$$ the feds would have wasted somewhere else. Just like Bashar Assad was about to be deposed 10 years ago. Where is he today? Still in power. Sadly, I think we’re still in the beginning of a long war in Ukraine. One which I don’t think we should commit to spending a trillion on … |
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 3, 2022 20:51:17 GMT -5
And against how many incumbents will you be voting this year? I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) Oh, you are one of the lucky few, that the Democrats Gerrymandered into the left side of the Bay and into the 1st district.
Well I won't vote for Harris for sure, as to wither I'll FOR for his opponent that's still up in the air. There are a couple of 3rd and 4th options or I'll leave the boxes blank.
Not voting FOR Democrats is my only protest and revenge for the way Democrats have "cheated" the redistricting of this state to their advantage when they already have a 2 to 1 numerical advantage. If you can't win with that advantage maybe they should not put up such crappy candidates.
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 3, 2022 21:00:59 GMT -5
Putin is about to be defeated. And all we had to do was help a country with $$$ the feds would have wasted somewhere else. Just like Bashar Assad was about to be deposed 10 years ago. Where is he today? Still in power. Sadly, I think we’re still in the beginning of a long war in Ukraine. One which I don’t think we should commit to spending a trillion on … Freedom has it's costs. What yours worth in dollars? What is a Ukrainian's worth? Is it not worth the same as yours? What are your relatives lives worth? More or less than a Ukrainian child killed in an artillery barrage on the way to school?
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 21:21:46 GMT -5
I will definitely vote against Rep. Andy Harris but it has nothing to do with Ukraine war aid. (I'm in his district) Oh, you are one of the lucky few, that the Democrats Gerrymandered into the left side of the Bay and into the 1st district.
Well I won't vote for Harris for sure, as to wither I'll FOR for his opponent that's still up in the air. There are a couple of 3rd and 4th options or I'll leave the boxes blank.
Not voting FOR Democrats is my only protest and revenge for the way Democrats have "cheated" the redistricting of this state to their advantage when they already have a 2 to 1 numerical advantage. If you can't win with that advantage maybe they should not put up such crappy candidates.
I'm not excited about my options but in the "Anybody but Harris" camp...
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Post by soulflower on Oct 3, 2022 21:23:54 GMT -5
Just like Bashar Assad was about to be deposed 10 years ago. Where is he today? Still in power. Sadly, I think we’re still in the beginning of a long war in Ukraine. One which I don’t think we should commit to spending a trillion on … Freedom has it's costs. What yours worth in dollars? What is a Ukrainian's worth? Is it not worth the same as yours? What are your relatives lives worth? More or less than a Ukrainian child killed in an artillery barrage on the way to school?
Ukraine is free to fight the war as long as they want but they're not entitled to unlimited amounts of your tax dollars or mine. A lot of people in Palestine are yearning for freedom too but I don't see the same level of urgency or financial support for them...
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