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Post by alienrace on Jan 11, 2023 16:39:42 GMT -5
Lamar did not practice. Not looking good.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 12, 2023 11:57:53 GMT -5
He has played his last game as a Raven. Bet on it.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 12, 2023 12:09:42 GMT -5
He has played his last game as a Raven. Bet on it. You might be right. There's no way the Ravens are giving him a fully guaranteed contract now after the past two years of injuries.
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Post by Rael on Jan 12, 2023 12:31:36 GMT -5
He has played his last game as a Raven. Bet on it. You don't think they use the tag?
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 12, 2023 12:46:18 GMT -5
He has played his last game as a Raven. Bet on it. You don't think they use the tag? I think they will, but I don't think he'll play on the tag. So either the Ravens work out a deal or he gets traded.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 12, 2023 13:37:07 GMT -5
You don't think they use the tag? I think they will, but I don't think he'll play on the tag. So either the Ravens work out a deal or he gets traded. My thoughts exactly. Said this shortly after he was injured.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 12, 2023 13:42:05 GMT -5
You don't think they use the tag? I think they will, but I don't think he'll play on the tag. So either the Ravens work out a deal or he gets traded. They'll have to do that before tagging him though, unless they want to eat that money. That being said, I still would not be shocked to see a blockbuster trade happen with Vegas for Carr and Adams and some draft picks.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 12, 2023 14:37:38 GMT -5
Posted this on another forum I frequent. Granted we don't have the personnel to do this but I wouldn't hate an opening drive deep shot. If it connects, great. You gained a bunch of yards in a game where they'll be hard to come by and you'll force Bengals to rethink stacking box. If it draws a flag, great. Basically the same thing. If you have an incompletion, no big deal. Maybe even then it forces Bengals to be aware of deep ball. If you get picked off, OK, well it's basically a punt. If you HAVE to pass, do it in a way to make the Bengals rethink their strategy so it opens up the running game some more. Also, Huntley didn't attempt any passes again at practice today. Looking more and more like Anthony Brown will be starting a playoff game.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 13, 2023 8:20:43 GMT -5
Jackson ruled out unofficially on Sunday as he tweets about his injury for the first time saying that the knee is still swollen and unstable, that it was more like a grade 3 PCL sprain rather than grade 1 as initially thought.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 13, 2023 9:27:38 GMT -5
Jackson ruled out unofficially on Sunday as he tweets about his injury for the first time saying that the knee is still swollen and unstable, that it was more like a grade 3 PCL sprain rather than grade 1 as initially thought. I don't know where to come down on this. Maybe I do...IDK. Harbaugh needs to either totally STFU about injuries or be more forthcoming about them. His wishy-washy approach to discussing injuries in the media only allows for fans to think that Lamar is the one who has quit or doesn't want to come back fast enough. There was an issue with Derek Wolfe last year where he was hurt and Harbaugh was kinda throwing him under the bus. The same thing has happened with Ronnie Staley. In 2012 it was McKinnie. Under Harbaugh these players get injured, we never get a clear picture of their injury, and it drags out. The physical trainer, Saunders, Mr. COVID Spreader Man, may need to go as well since injuries with this team drag on and on and create confusion. That said, while I understand LJ's predicament with his injury and contract situation, plenty of QBs have suited up less than 100 percent. Philip Rivers played a playoff game with a torn ACL and meniscus once. Granted, they lost, but it's not out of the ordinary for dinged-up QBs to fight through injuries. I understand the people questioning Lamar's desire to play dinged up without a contract. The whole thing just sucks. Part of me is ready to just move on from LJ and Harbaugh.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 13, 2023 11:17:45 GMT -5
Harbaugh needs to either totally STFU about injuries or be more forthcoming about them. Not really though. This is something a lot of coaches (eg, Bill Belichick) do. They like to keep their opponent guessing. His first priority is to the game, not the neurotic, impatient fans such as us that "must have answers, now!". I know I've been frustrated too, and it brings the worst out of me as a fan, but when I stop and think about it, Harbaugh has done a pretty good job this year taking a team hit again with key injuries and getting into the playoffs, where anything can happen. I'm 100% with you on Saunders though. That guy has GOT to go. Roman too, but the woes aren't all on him. What's on him is the inexplicable play calling at times that have cost us multiple games and made a few others more interesting than needed, as well as a failure to develop a consistent pass attack to keep defenses honest. As long as the defense plays up to the it's been lately, limit the turnovers, the Ravens have a puncher's chance. Playoffs are such a different animal than the regular season, crazy things really tend to happen. As for Lamar...I dunno. I really love the guy and want him locked up long term. At the time of his injury the Ravens were a top 10 offense (which kind of complicates things when discussing Roman as well, but IMO his game management has been abhorrent at times). This, despite not having his #1 receiver, or any proven receivers. When healthy, and with a full complement of weapons, his ceiling is MVP level. How do you let a guy like that walk, especially when he's only just 26 years old? Ultimately I *think* they will get something done. They have the room to do it. But, as I've mentioned, the other scenario wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 13, 2023 12:24:11 GMT -5
Jackson ruled out unofficially on Sunday as he tweets about his injury for the first time saying that the knee is still swollen and unstable, that it was more like a grade 3 PCL sprain rather than grade 1 as initially thought. I speculate that he will undergo a knee ligament rebuild in the offseason and not return until late in the 2023 campaign, wherever he signs (and it might be here).
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Post by guido2 on Jan 13, 2023 17:50:29 GMT -5
Jackson ruled out unofficially on Sunday as he tweets about his injury for the first time saying that the knee is still swollen and unstable, that it was more like a grade 3 PCL sprain rather than grade 1 as initially thought. I don't know where to come down on this. Maybe I do...IDK. Harbaugh needs to either totally STFU about injuries or be more forthcoming about them. His wishy-washy approach to discussing injuries in the media only allows for fans to think that Lamar is the one who has quit or doesn't want to come back fast enough. There was an issue with Derek Wolfe last year where he was hurt and Harbaugh was kinda throwing him under the bus. The same thing has happened with Ronnie Staley. In 2012 it was McKinnie. Under Harbaugh these players get injured, we never get a clear picture of their injury, and it drags out. The physical trainer, Saunders, Mr. COVID Spreader Man, may need to go as well since injuries with this team drag on and on and create confusion. That said, while I understand LJ's predicament with his injury and contract situation, plenty of QBs have suited up less than 100 percent. Philip Rivers played a playoff game with a torn ACL and meniscus once. Granted, they lost, but it's not out of the ordinary for dinged-up QBs to fight through injuries. I understand the people questioning Lamar's desire to play dinged up without a contract. The whole thing just sucks. Part of me is ready to just move on from LJ and Harbaugh.
I am feeling that way to about Lamar Harbaugh ... him I'm still on the fence. But when he tweeted out his "diagnosis" that to me translates to 'I am taking care of me, I am going to protect my assets so either I get a deal from the Ravens or I preserve my assets to get a better deal from the next team'. Ten dollars to a doughnut, if by chance he Ravin's beat the Bengals he will not play the next game or any other subsequent one. IOWs like pointed out. We have seen QBs in one worse shape than he is. See Johnny U and his dead arm. He is protecting his wheels..... cause he hasn't got much much more than that. IMO. No wheels, no arm..... at best he is a backup. Oh yeah and no big money.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 15, 2023 16:46:16 GMT -5
Chant now is they will use both Huntley and Brown against the Bengals, because of their differing strengths.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 16, 2023 9:20:59 GMT -5
Horrible loss, wish they had just been blown out.
Roman needs to go and not sure what will happen with Lamar.
Thank God I am going on vacation in 3 weeks.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 16, 2023 10:15:43 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, not using your running backs when you need 1 yard for a TD or the horrendous clock mgmt on the final drive.
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 16, 2023 14:02:51 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, not using your running backs when you need 1 yard for a TD or the horrendous clock mgmt on the final drive. They did run, got 1 yrd. I believe they wanted almost no time on the clock if they scored for a freak play leading to a game winning FG.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 16, 2023 15:11:15 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, not using your running backs when you need 1 yard for a TD or the horrendous clock mgmt on the final drive. From the get-go it seemed like a game they did not believe they could win, or want to win. That they did as well as they did with a second string man under center, no deep threat receivers and questionable offensive play design surprised me. And bodes ill for what happens when Cincinnati rolls into Buffalo thinking they have a shot at the Super Bowl.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 16, 2023 15:48:44 GMT -5
I don't know what's worse, not using your running backs when you need 1 yard for a TD or the horrendous clock mgmt on the final drive. They did run, got 1 yrd. I believe they wanted almost no time on the clock if they scored for a freak play leading to a game winning FG. Yeah and they needed one more yard for the TD, use Dobbins or Gus.
As for the clock mgmt, they limited their play calling options by wasting the clock. And when you need a 7 to tie, better to focus on that single goal than thinking about what ifs.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 16, 2023 19:09:19 GMT -5
Play calling was horrendous in two of the red zone trips, and of course the penultimate play that decided the game for the most part. Roman definitely has to go. No excuses for not using Dobbins or Gus there. Idiotic to say the least. I do think Harbaugh will fire Roman, that has kinda been on the wall for a while. The Bengals are a trashy lot, and they stopped showboating and crowing when the Ravens started to dominate them. The fact was, the Ravens, despite losing their starting QB and two top receivers were the better team and lost on a fluke play. Hell, they almost pulled off the tie if not for Proche shortarming a pretty easy deflection there at the end. Yes, the Bengals won, but they certainly shouldn't be pounding their chests after that display. The Ravens bullied them the entire game and wound up beating themselves. Of course, the toxic fanbase is hard to deal with after such a loss, a game that nobody gave them a chance to win, and what makes it harder and harder to watch the NFL. Pity that fans have become like this league wide. It's awful, honestly. The clock management thing at the end is no issue, IMO. I even said as they were getting down there, they need to take some time off the clock, or the Bengals will get the ball back and beat them. Harbaugh absolutely was making the right call there. What killed them is the dumb holding penalty that pushed them too far back. Otherwise, they probably get inside the 10 with two timeouts and plenty of time to run off 3 or 4 plays. I don't know why, but this season was painful, despite them being a playoff team. Just so much "what if". It doesn't help that the future is a bit murky, though I think on defense they are well set up to be very good going forward. Man Kyle Hamilton is a freaking beast, and now with Roquan Smith, Queen, and the young d-line guys, they are going to be a wrecking crew. They need to figure out what to do with Lamar, and they need more receivers, though it probably wasn't in their plans for Bateman and Duvernay to get injured. Also, fire Steve Saunders, please
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 16, 2023 20:49:51 GMT -5
Also, fire Steve Saunders, please Oh, why? He can't rehab the players, but he makes up for it by bringing them COVID-19!
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 17, 2023 6:29:39 GMT -5
Play calling was horrendous in two of the red zone trips, and of course the penultimate play that decided the game for the most part. Roman definitely has to go. No excuses for not using Dobbins or Gus there. Idiotic to say the least. I do think Harbaugh will fire Roman, that has kinda been on the wall for a while. The Bengals are a trashy lot, and they stopped showboating and crowing when the Ravens started to dominate them. The fact was, the Ravens, despite losing their starting QB and two top receivers were the better team and lost on a fluke play. Hell, they almost pulled off the tie if not for Proche shortarming a pretty easy deflection there at the end. Yes, the Bengals won, but they certainly shouldn't be pounding their chests after that display. The Ravens bullied them the entire game and wound up beating themselves. Of course, the toxic fanbase is hard to deal with after such a loss, a game that nobody gave them a chance to win, and what makes it harder and harder to watch the NFL. Pity that fans have become like this league wide. It's awful, honestly. The clock management thing at the end is no issue, IMO. I even said as they were getting down there, they need to take some time off the clock, or the Bengals will get the ball back and beat them. Harbaugh absolutely was making the right call there. What killed them is the dumb holding penalty that pushed them too far back. Otherwise, they probably get inside the 10 with two timeouts and plenty of time to run off 3 or 4 plays. I don't know why, but this season was painful, despite them being a playoff team. Just so much "what if". It doesn't help that the future is a bit murky, though I think on defense they are well set up to be very good going forward. Man Kyle Hamilton is a freaking beast, and now with Roquan Smith, Queen, and the young d-line guys, they are going to be a wrecking crew. They need to figure out what to do with Lamar, and they need more receivers, though it probably wasn't in their plans for Bateman and Duvernay to get injured. Also, fire Steve Saunders, please Disagree on the clock management. They could have easily killed some time running the ball instead of just wasting time in the huddles. With this red zone offense, every second mattered.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 17, 2023 7:09:56 GMT -5
Yeah glad the season is over. This team needs a reset and a recalibration regardless of whether Lamar comes back or not.
Regardless of who is under center next year, this is a running team with a good defense. Our offense should be built around the run game with a QB who takes shots down field using play action. If Lamar is back, bring back more of the RPO offense that worked so well in 2019.
Get better WRs and always look to upgrade the OL.
No matter what happens with Lamar next year, this is a playoff caliber team.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 17, 2023 11:57:27 GMT -5
Get better WRs and always look to upgrade the OL. No matter what happens with Lamar next year, this is a playoff caliber team. Oh, absolutely. There is a lot of good talent on this team, and the defense is set up to be dominant for a few years at least. We'll see what happens with Lamar. The fact is that with him they are much better than without him given the current makeup of the team, but that's not to say that with a top receiver, healthy Bateman and Duvernay, that they don't grab someone who'll fit a more balanced scheme and cost way less. That also said, if Lamar is healthy, and they do have better/healthy receivers, they can put points up on anyone. They definitely need to look at a successor to Stanley as well. We need to remember that every one of the losses before Lamar was injured the Ravens defense had blown double digit leads. Had Roquan been part of the team from the start, probably looking at 12 or 13 wins instead of 10.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 17, 2023 13:32:50 GMT -5
Lamar tweeted out another odd comment. About taking care of good things so they will take care of you: nypost.com/2023/01/16/lamar-jackson-posts-cryptic-message-after-ravens-playoff-loss/One interpretation is that he's writing of his relationship with the team. Another is that he is justifying what some might regard as a very conservative approach to returning from the PCL sprain. It seems likely that without his legs and the mobility they confer he would be a rather ordinary quarterback.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 18, 2023 11:29:08 GMT -5
Lamar tweeted out another odd comment. About taking care of good things so they will take care of you: nypost.com/2023/01/16/lamar-jackson-posts-cryptic-message-after-ravens-playoff-loss/One interpretation is that he's writing of his relationship with the team. Another is that he is justifying what some might regard as a very conservative approach to returning from the PCL sprain. It seems likely that without his legs and the mobility they confer he would be a rather ordinary quarterback. It's cryptic, and maybe he's talking about his legs, maybe he's talking about the Ravens. Probably a double entendre. Here's my thoughts on this: Greg Roman is assuredly gone. I'm not going to even say because of the design of the offense, because when all the parts are there, it's been a top 10 unit, and at times at the top of the league. It's the playcalling and the head scratching non-use of certain players or trying to be too cute inside the five yard line when you have a seriously potent running game. Harbaugh as well as some players have recently thrown Roman under the bus at various time. I don't think Harbaugh will be blindly loyal to GR. Fans accuse him of that because he didn't fire him after a loss, etc, but his rhetoric to me indicates he won't keep him around. Assuming that to be the case, now it remains to be seen if Harbaugh is married to this offensive scheme. The pieces are all there, the offense is built around that philosophy. Again, it's not a bad philosophy given the results when the team is healthy, and the fact that the league is moving in that direction as well. Of course, one could argue that defenses are also moving in that direction to counter it. If this is true and they want to hang onto that, then clearly Lamar is the best and obvious choice and they need to play him. I think everyone knows, including him, that he's not getting Deshaun Watson guaranteed money, but he might get something like Kyler Murray got, or a little better. Over the weekend the word was the Ravens really low-balled him at 130 guaranteed. If that's the case, I don't blame him one bit for not signing. There are going to be some vet QB options out there if they want to move back to the Flacco-era balanced offense that worked well for them in the past. Jimmy G, Derek Carr are probably the two that would make the most sense. They will also need to get a top line vet receiver for that to work. I like Bateman, but he's really a #2 at best, and Duvernay a #3. We'll find out more in a few weeks I think about the direction they are going.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 20, 2023 10:12:35 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I read somewhere that Huntley was NOT supposed to jump up and extend like that, that the play called was for him to stay low.
Of course, the notion of a QB at the 2 yard line was just absurdly dumb to begin with when you have Dobbins and Edwards at your disposal.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 20, 2023 10:32:38 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I read somewhere that Huntley was NOT supposed to jump up and extend like that, that the play called was for him to stay low. Of course, the notion of a QB at the 2 yard line was just absurdly dumb to begin with when you have Dobbins and Edwards at your disposal. Someone on another forum referred to something Dilfer said during the 2000 SB run. "We wanted to get the ball into the hands of our best players". Imagine that. "Getting the ball into the hands of your best players." For the 2000 team it was Shannon Sharpe and Jamal Lewis. For this team it would be Dobbins, Edwards and Andrews (although probably not as a RB). For the NBA it would be Jordan, LeBron and Curry. Not sure why, in critical situations, you'd want to get the ball to a FB who had a career high 11 catches this season, or let a back-up QB keep the ball at 3rd and goal from the 2 when you have Dobbins gaining nearly 5 yards a carry all night. Just glad he's gone. He was a fine OC between the 20s. Maybe the 5s. Awful inside that.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 20, 2023 11:17:03 GMT -5
He was a fine OC between the 20s. Maybe the 5s. Awful inside that. I was astounded at how poor the Ravens were at short yardage situations during his tenure in general, given the personnel and scheme. Blew my mind. Definitely a huge problem between the 20's as well. I think that surfaced more when they tried to use Lamar less as a runner, it took away the threat that seemed to open things up more.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 22, 2023 20:40:47 GMT -5
Well, the Bengals took down the Bills, which I sure did not expect. So who knows? Maybe they are going back. Maybe the key is to wait for a good quarterback to percolate to the top of the draft and then absolutely suck so that you can grab him. It has worked for a few teams.
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