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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 5, 2023 14:31:06 GMT -5
I think they have a good chance to win this one if they prepare, and with the return of Humphrey, Beckham, Bateman and (amazingly) Stanley. All practiced. Oweh, Worley, and Moses still did not.
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Post by Rael on Oct 5, 2023 16:28:19 GMT -5
I think they have a good chance to win this one if they prepare, and with the return of Humphrey, Beckham, Bateman and (amazingly) Stanley. All practiced. Oweh, Worley, and Moses still did not. Of these, I am most happy about Humphrey and Stanley. I don't think we beat the Steelers through the air. I think we pound them into submission.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 5, 2023 17:26:42 GMT -5
I'll be surprised if Stanley plays and makes it through the entire game.
This shouldn't be a close game. Steelers don't have much talent on either side of the ball but they're well coached and always seem to play us tight regardless of the talent differences.
Going to say we win and win pretty handedly if we don't turn the ball over which has been an issue so far this season.
Ravens 27 Steelers 13
But it seems like every game we've played against them since 2010 has been 23-20 so it'll probably be closer to that.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 5, 2023 17:58:01 GMT -5
4th worst rushing defense so far.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 5, 2023 18:16:46 GMT -5
I think they have a good chance to win this one if they prepare, and with the return of Humphrey, Beckham, Bateman and (amazingly) Stanley. All practiced. Oweh, Worley, and Moses still did not. Of these, I am most happy about Humphrey and Stanley. I don't think we beat the Steelers through the air. I think we pound them into submission. Agreed. Stanley, healthy, really pulls that line up. His problem is that he is breaking down and I think they need to move on regardless. The return of Beckham and Bateman will, at a minimum reduce the pressure on Andrews and Flowers. Jackson will be better able to run, as well, because they won't be able to leave a spy on him every play.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 5, 2023 18:31:45 GMT -5
4th worst rushing defense so far. Them? Or us?
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 5, 2023 19:28:47 GMT -5
4th worst rushing defense so far. Them? Or us? Them. Ravens are in top 10.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 6, 2023 6:27:02 GMT -5
Them. Ravens are in top 10. Yeah thats what I thought...was too lazy to look it up.
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Post by alienrace on Oct 6, 2023 7:04:51 GMT -5
It's definitely a "should win" type of game. These things always seem closer than they ought to be though.
I agree with pounding the ball. That should open up a lot of play action and with Beckam and Bateman back, there should be guys open for big plays downfield.
Also agree about Stanely. They really need to find his replacement.
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Post by alienrace on Oct 8, 2023 14:11:39 GMT -5
Ravens should be up by 3 scores but 7 dropped passes, a fumble, a bonehead decision by Harbs keeping it close.
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Post by Rael on Oct 8, 2023 14:47:07 GMT -5
Ravens should be up by 3 scores but 7 dropped passes, a fumble, a bonehead decision by Harbs keeping it close. Just like the colts game. Dominate and lose (and give up a safety this time).
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 8, 2023 16:58:48 GMT -5
Bad play calling and bad execution. Horrendous. I am about to hop off the Monken bus. His designs fool no one.
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 8, 2023 18:31:42 GMT -5
Well attended the game and clearly happy with outcome.
But: Steelers didn't win this. Ravens lost it. Bad calls (not taking the easy 3 pts at the end of the second half, single coverage on Steelers' only legit big play guy). Plus Jackson is just the opposite of clutch.
But the game came down to the many missed catches. Ravens should have won handily.
No matter. Between us girls neither of these teams going anywhere.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 9, 2023 5:27:37 GMT -5
One of the worst performances I can remember. There's got to be a breaking point at some time with Harbaugh right?
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 9, 2023 8:06:03 GMT -5
One of the worst performances I can remember. There's got to be a breaking point at some time with Harbaugh right? This is a top 5 loss for me, regular season. Just a brutal game from top to bottom everyone deserves blame. I've been over Harbaugh for a while now. The same crucial blunders and mistakes time and time again.
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Post by Rael on Oct 9, 2023 9:02:47 GMT -5
One of the worst performances I can remember. There's got to be a breaking point at some time with Harbaugh right? This is a top 5 loss for me, regular season. Just a brutal game from top to bottom everyone deserves blame. I've been over Harbaugh for a while now. The same crucial blunders and mistakes time and time again. Harbaugh is a good coach from a "coach 'em up" standpoint which tends to be good for a young team but his game and time management and X and O fundamentals are quite lacking. This is the STEELERS AT HOME. Take the points. That being said, we should have won this one by 20 or so. We totally dominated but the mistakes, and lack of focus were appalling. I disagree with Maggie in one respect though. I think the Ravens COULD be a very good team that could cause some damage. I don't think they WILL BE due to the intangibles but they aren't far from being really good.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 9, 2023 18:19:16 GMT -5
It might be that Harbaugh's message is stale. It happened to Billick, and it happens to all coaches, eventually.
I have been concerned about what I perceive is a lack of fundamentals. Men coached to try and strip the ball carrier, and while they are trying to do that he is slipping the tackle is an example. Another is men not watching the incoming football into their hands, and men carrying the football in dangerous ways (looking at you, Lamar). And how many games are we going to hear "communications error" as an explanation - that was dusted off again yesterday! All of this is sloppy coaching.
It may well be time to explore Harbaugh alternatives.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 10, 2023 6:12:53 GMT -5
It might be that Harbaugh's message is stale. It happened to Billick, and it happens to all coaches, eventually. I have been concerned about what I perceive is a lack of fundamentals. Men coached to try and strip the ball carrier, and while they are trying to do that he is slipping the tackle is an example. Another is men not watching the incoming football into their hands, and men carrying the football in dangerous ways (looking at you, Lamar). And how many games are we going to hear "communications error" as an explanation - that was dusted off again yesterday! All of this is sloppy coaching. It may well be time to explore Harbaugh alternatives. Harbaugh is beyond stale as the same things keep happening year after year.
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Post by alienrace on Oct 10, 2023 11:38:53 GMT -5
It might be that Harbaugh's message is stale. It happened to Billick, and it happens to all coaches, eventually. I have been concerned about what I perceive is a lack of fundamentals. Men coached to try and strip the ball carrier, and while they are trying to do that he is slipping the tackle is an example. Another is men not watching the incoming football into their hands, and men carrying the football in dangerous ways (looking at you, Lamar). And how many games are we going to hear "communications error" as an explanation - that was dusted off again yesterday! All of this is sloppy coaching. It may well be time to explore Harbaugh alternatives. This is league wide though. I think it really starts at the college or even HS level. DB's taught to watch the eyes and not look back for the ball, etc. I don't know if Harbs message is stale. It's basically the same ole same ole, couple of boneheaded decisions cost us a game. He's usually good for one or two games lost each year that way. However, the lack of an FG at the end of the half wasn't on him actually. That was either Monken or Lamar's fault, Harbs said they weren't supposed to actually run a play, somebody goofed. This game wasn't as much a coaching loss as it was a lack of execution loss. (though I still have to wonder why the entire game Pickens was left one on one). You simply cannot have 8 dropped passes (and if you count Flower's stumble over the turf monster on what would have been a 75 yard TD pass, 9). At least 3 TD's were left off the board because of dropped, easy catches. Those catches, normally, usually made, and it's an entirely different conversation, amirite?
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Post by alienrace on Oct 10, 2023 11:40:56 GMT -5
I disagree with Maggie in one respect though. I think the Ravens COULD be a very good team that could cause some damage. I don't think they WILL BE due to the intangibles but they aren't far from being really good. This right here. They'll probably be in the playoffs. One can maybe hope they'll execute better. The Steelers on the other hand are straight garbage. Anyone watching their games would see that. They've been gifted a couple of wins due to similar mis-execution like the Ravens had. Not even "forced errors", those were entirely unforced.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 10, 2023 12:03:13 GMT -5
I disagree with Maggie in one respect though. I think the Ravens COULD be a very good team that could cause some damage. I don't think they WILL BE due to the intangibles but they aren't far from being really good. This right here. They'll probably be in the playoffs. One can maybe hope they'll execute better. The Steelers on the other hand are straight garbage. Anyone watching their games would see that. They've been gifted a couple of wins due to similar mis-execution like the Ravens had. Not even "forced errors", those were entirely unforced. I agree. They're not a good football team. I think a combination of Tomlin, football voodoo and teams like the Ravens blowing their own dick against them off will propel them to a winning season and a shot at the playoffs.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 10, 2023 12:06:32 GMT -5
Harbaugh always has been a terrible game manager. The only time I remember him masterfully coaching a game was the Super Bowl. I am sure there are a game here and there where he handled it well but most times we seem to come away from a loss with Harbaugh mismanaging the clock, timeouts or making a boneheaded decision to go for it on 4th down.
He may be a great coach in other intangible areas and we won't ever really see that in action. The players may really like him; he does seem to try to create a familial environment with the team. Maybe that goes a long way. Maybe he gives great locker room speeches. Maybe he has photos of Biscotti. Who knows. But the tangibles we see season to season tell me it's time to make a change.
I know he won a SB, but that was 10+ years ago and we've got exactly 2 playoff wins since then.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 10, 2023 12:23:56 GMT -5
Harbaugh always has been a terrible game manager. The only time I remember him masterfully coaching a game was the Super Bowl. I am sure there are a game here and there where he handled it well but most times we seem to come away from a loss with Harbaugh mismanaging the clock, timeouts or making a boneheaded decision to go for it on 4th down. He may be a great coach in other intangible areas and we won't ever really see that in action. The players may really like him; he does seem to try to create a familial environment with the team. Maybe that goes a long way. Maybe he gives great locker room speeches. Maybe he has photos of Biscotti. Who knows. But the tangibles we see season to season tell me it's time to make a change. I know he won a SB, but that was 10+ years ago and we've got exactly 2 playoff wins since then. They're never winning another SB with him. I just can't see them stringing together 3-4 straight wins against good teams while he's coach.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 10, 2023 12:47:19 GMT -5
Harbaugh always has been a terrible game manager. The only time I remember him masterfully coaching a game was the Super Bowl. I am sure there are a game here and there where he handled it well but most times we seem to come away from a loss with Harbaugh mismanaging the clock, timeouts or making a boneheaded decision to go for it on 4th down. He may be a great coach in other intangible areas and we won't ever really see that in action. The players may really like him; he does seem to try to create a familial environment with the team. Maybe that goes a long way. Maybe he gives great locker room speeches. Maybe he has photos of Biscotti. Who knows. But the tangibles we see season to season tell me it's time to make a change. I know he won a SB, but that was 10+ years ago and we've got exactly 2 playoff wins since then. They're never winning another SB with him. I just can't see them stringing together 3-4 straight wins against good teams while he's coach. I don't really see it either. Outside of Belichick, what long tenured coach has won a SB with their team? Looking around recently it seems like newer coaches are taking their teams to the SB. Cowher is maybe the last example of a long-tenured coaching taking his team to SB.
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Post by Rael on Oct 10, 2023 13:09:23 GMT -5
They're never winning another SB with him. I just can't see them stringing together 3-4 straight wins against good teams while he's coach. I don't really see it either. Outside of Belichick, what long tenured coach has won a SB with their team? Looking around recently it seems like newer coaches are taking their teams to the SB. Cowher is maybe the last example of a long-tenured coaching taking his team to SB. Andy Reid. Nine years after his hiring.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 10, 2023 13:12:52 GMT -5
I don't really see it either. Outside of Belichick, what long tenured coach has won a SB with their team? Looking around recently it seems like newer coaches are taking their teams to the SB. Cowher is maybe the last example of a long-tenured coaching taking his team to SB. Andy Reid. Nine years after his hiring. Maybe Harbs can trade for Mahomes to pick up that second ring.
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Post by Rael on Oct 10, 2023 13:13:29 GMT -5
I don't really see it either. Outside of Belichick, what long tenured coach has won a SB with their team? Looking around recently it seems like newer coaches are taking their teams to the SB. Cowher is maybe the last example of a long-tenured coaching taking his team to SB. Andy Reid. Nine years after his hiring. Belichick 15 years after starting. And 17 years after starting.
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Post by Rael on Oct 10, 2023 13:15:12 GMT -5
Andy Reid. Nine years after his hiring. Maybe Harbs can trade for Mahomes to pick up that second ring. Hey give Reid credit. Alex Smith won 13 games for him the year before but he still saw Mahomes as a special talent and made a tough decision.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 10, 2023 13:20:49 GMT -5
Maybe Harbs can trade for Mahomes to pick up that second ring. Hey give Reid credit. Alex Smith won 13 games for him the year before but he still saw Mahomes as a special talent and made a tough decision. Reid's a good coach, more of knock on Harbaugh since he isn't winning anything again without a generational QB and would probably screw that up.
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Post by Rael on Oct 10, 2023 13:35:49 GMT -5
Hey give Reid credit. Alex Smith won 13 games for him the year before but he still saw Mahomes as a special talent and made a tough decision. Reid's a good coach, more of knock on Harbaugh since he isn't winning anything again without a generational QB and would probably screw that up. Perhaps he already has...
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