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Post by ishmael on Jan 11, 2024 9:12:32 GMT -5
Where do we think he ends up? Are the "Commanders" interested?
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 9:23:21 GMT -5
He's 71 years old. He should become a team consultant or advisor somewhere. And given his failures post-Brady in NE I wouldn't be jumping to get him if I were another team. I'd rather find the next up and coming HC who is probably a coordinator somewhere.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 11, 2024 9:27:30 GMT -5
IMO, San Diego makes the most sense since they have a franchise QB and need a defensive mind who isn't an idiot like Brandon Staley.
Washington would be a terrible idea since they're in their umpteenth rebuild and he's probably not the best guy for that nor would he likely want to.
Maybe he'll replace Nick Saban since they're buddies?
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Post by alienrace on Jan 11, 2024 9:31:28 GMT -5
San Diego would be a perfect storm for him.
Bigger question, is who does NE hire? ESPN only mentions Jerrod Mayo for a peculiar reason in the Bellichick article, but in the Vrable article and some others mentions him as a really strong possibility.
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Post by up2 on Jan 11, 2024 9:40:09 GMT -5
Ten years ago, I'd say anywhere he wanted to go. Now that he's in his 70's however, I'm not so sure he still has all the piss and vinegar left in the tank for a longer-term energetic run at a rebuild. That limits his options IMO. I have to agree with others here though that SD might be a good place for a soft landing. Much respect for what he's accomplished within his current organization, but in fairness, the game has changed in the past 30 or so years - maybe it's time for some younger blood to take the reins of a HC position in the NFL.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 11, 2024 10:56:13 GMT -5
I keep hearing "He doesn't understand that today's NFL players don't react to discipline well". Oh BOO HOO. Seems to me a lot of "today's players" need a freaking foot in the arse. Cough cough George Pickens.
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Post by up2 on Jan 11, 2024 11:06:32 GMT -5
I keep hearing "He doesn't understand that today's NFL players don't react to discipline well". Oh BOO HOO. Seems to me a lot of "today's players" need a freaking foot in the arse. Cough cough George Pickens. LOL. Off topic but I used to coach basketball, and this kind of comment reminded me of a conversation I had with other coaches. At the time Purdue's oldest of old-school coaches, Gene Keady claimed he was having difficulties recruiting for the boilermakers. I remember one of the fellow coaches commenting on how a fellow recruit being courted by the Miami Hurricanes would be shown the lovely stretch of beaches, the night life of Miami, parties with all the campus darlings, and all the other little perquisites of the location (not an effin' thing to do basketball) and then having that same recruit showing up in West Lafayette Indiana and being told by Keady he was going to run and push him until he couldn't suffer anymore and to make him a real man before he graduated. Wonder where those recruits went? Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 11, 2024 11:15:49 GMT -5
He wants 15 more wins to pass Shula. So I doubt he will retire from coaching. Who will want him is a broader question. It's clear Tom Brady was doing the heavy lifting up there, but someone will probably try him out. As long as the Patriots are bad for as long as they were good, or until Kraft dies, I'm okay with whoever they hire!
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 11:18:55 GMT -5
LA Charges do make sense for him.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 11, 2024 11:25:16 GMT -5
LA Charges do make sense for him. Good lord I'm still calling them San Diego.
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Post by ishmael on Jan 11, 2024 11:27:33 GMT -5
I'm thinking Atlanta, but that is truly nothing more than a guess.
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Post by up2 on Jan 11, 2024 11:28:28 GMT -5
LA Charges do make sense for him. Good lord I'm still calling them San Diego. Unfortunately so did I... LOL
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 11, 2024 12:36:27 GMT -5
I recognize BB is the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era. But why does no one (sports media) ever mention that during the Bill/Brady 20 year reign of terror the Patriots played in probably the worst division ever in professional sports?
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 12:42:48 GMT -5
I recognize BB is the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era. But why does no one (sports media) ever mention that during the Bill/Brady 20 year reign of terror the Patriots played in probably the worst division ever in professional sports? He was a great coach when he had a great QB. Before he had Brady he was mid. After Brady he was mid.
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Post by ishmael on Jan 11, 2024 13:08:24 GMT -5
I recognize BB is the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era. But why does no one (sports media) ever mention that during the Bill/Brady 20 year reign of terror the Patriots played in probably the worst division ever in professional sports? And? They still had to get past the best teams from all the other divisions and conferences to win 6 Super Bowls.
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Post by Rael on Jan 11, 2024 13:22:28 GMT -5
I recognize BB is the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era. But why does no one (sports media) ever mention that during the Bill/Brady 20 year reign of terror the Patriots played in probably the worst division ever in professional sports? He was a great coach when he had a great QB. Before he had Brady he was mid. After Brady he was mid. Name me a great coach who didn't have great players. Now name me great players who had a bad coach. I'll bet you have far more names for the second question than the first...
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 11, 2024 13:42:46 GMT -5
I recognize BB is the greatest coach of the Super Bowl era. But why does no one (sports media) ever mention that during the Bill/Brady 20 year reign of terror the Patriots played in probably the worst division ever in professional sports? And? They still had to get past the best teams from all the other divisions and conferences to win 6 Super Bowls. Sure, but starting the season with a guaranteed division title and home playoff game is a great thing to build off of. The futility of the Jets, Dolphins and Bills during that period is unprecedented.
Crazy how Brady leaves the division and the Bills and Dolphins finally land a franchise QB. Jets on the other hand...
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 13:48:08 GMT -5
BTW you'd think Mr. "I am from Boston" would know how to spell the man's name right. It's Bill Belichick.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 13:50:09 GMT -5
He was a great coach when he had a great QB. Before he had Brady he was mid. After Brady he was mid. Name me a great coach who didn't have great players. Now name me great players who had a bad coach. I'll bet you have far more names for the second question than the first... Tomlin. He's never had a losing season and he's really shown his worth since Big Jen retired. That team doesn't have much talent on its roster. I think BB is a good, even great coach, but since Brady left he's gone 7-9, 10-7, 8-9 and 4-13. If he was so great why are his teams getting worse since Brady left? The question has always been, was it Brady or was it Belichick, and at one point I thought it was BB but that question has been answered and it was Brady.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jan 11, 2024 13:56:36 GMT -5
I keep hearing "He doesn't understand that today's NFL players don't react to discipline well". Oh BOO HOO. Seems to me a lot of "today's players" need a freaking foot in the arse. Cough cough George Pickens. Today's young people don't understand discipline as a general thing. Particularly self-discipline. They expect to have whatever they want, without regard to the consequences, and they expect others to accept their choices without criticism or even comment. It is how an eight year old acts.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 11, 2024 14:20:16 GMT -5
The question has always been, was it Brady or was it Belichick, and at one point I thought it was BB but that question has been answered and it was Brady. It was both. They needed each other for sure. Belichick has always been a defensive minded guy, and the Pats success early in their dynasty was predicated largely on having very tough defenses and being efficient on offense (a huge emphasis on the offensive line). Belichick was smart enough to recognize that Brady was growing as a player and began surrounding him with offensive stars, and the team shifted philosophy from a pro-style dropback offense to a spread one. His one mistake was letting Brady go when he had some more in the tank. It worked many times for him before, but this was a miss. Brady went to the Bucs and won a title. Now, it shouldn't be overlooked that the Bucs roster was absolutely loaded with playmakers, and he coaxed Gronk out of retirement. In his last year with them, he didn't have as much to work with, and it showed that he was no longer able to carry a team and make them better than they were like he did many times with the Pats. Meanwhile Belichick completely whiffed on Mac Jones, and that sunk him in the end. They had a respectable defense, and it was wasted on Jones and Zappe.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 11, 2024 14:22:33 GMT -5
Tomlin. He's never had a losing season and he's really shown his worth since Big Jen retired. That team doesn't have much talent on its roster. He's been more lucky than good this year. His one good move was going to Rudolph and sticking with him. Before that, I dunno. Lotta puzzler moves.
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Post by ishmael on Jan 11, 2024 14:41:41 GMT -5
BTW you'd think Mr. "I am from Boston" would know how to spell the man's name right. It's Bill Belichick. Thanks for pointing it out. I corrected it.
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Post by ishmael on Jan 11, 2024 14:43:46 GMT -5
Name me a great coach who didn't have great players. Now name me great players who had a bad coach. I'll bet you have far more names for the second question than the first... Tomlin. He's never had a losing season and he's really shown his worth since Big Jen retired. That team doesn't have much talent on its roster. I think BB is a good, even great coach, but since Brady left he's gone 7-9, 10-7, 8-9 and 4-13. If he was so great why are his teams getting worse since Brady left? The question has always been, was it Brady or was it Belichick, and at one point I thought it was BB but that question has been answered and it was Brady. Who is "Big Jen"?
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 14:46:52 GMT -5
Tomlin. He's never had a losing season and he's really shown his worth since Big Jen retired. That team doesn't have much talent on its roster. He's been more lucky than good this year. His one good move was going to Rudolph and sticking with him. Before that, I dunno. Lotta puzzler moves. Since Big Jen retired I think another coach has them going 6-11, 7-10. I dunno either. But I am erring on the side of him being a good/great coach.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 11, 2024 14:47:23 GMT -5
Tomlin. He's never had a losing season and he's really shown his worth since Big Jen retired. That team doesn't have much talent on its roster. I think BB is a good, even great coach, but since Brady left he's gone 7-9, 10-7, 8-9 and 4-13. If he was so great why are his teams getting worse since Brady left? The question has always been, was it Brady or was it Belichick, and at one point I thought it was BB but that question has been answered and it was Brady. Who is "Big Jen"? It's what we Ravens fans call Ben Reothlisberger who never let a boo boo go unnoticed.
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Post by ishmael on Jan 12, 2024 9:48:05 GMT -5
ESPN is saying Jerod Mayo. link
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Post by alienrace on Jan 12, 2024 10:29:12 GMT -5
ESPN is saying Jerod Mayo. linkI'm somewhat, not entirely surprised at this. Mayo may prove to be a good HC, but I really thought Vrabel would be the guy.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jan 12, 2024 13:33:28 GMT -5
ESPN is saying Jerod Mayo. linkDamn, was hoping for Josh McDaniels.
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Post by alienrace on Jan 12, 2024 14:15:39 GMT -5
Apparently, this was a situation set up a few years ago, but got accelerated due to the poor last couple of seasons. It was similar to the Ozzie/DeCosta situation.
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