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Post by microg on Jun 29, 2024 8:05:01 GMT -5
While I would prefer the RedLine be underground as heavy rail this is better than the stupid priority Bus crap previously proposed which is too easy to reverse. Why the F did we ever remove the existing street car tracks that previously lined the Baltimore area?
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Post by pickle20 on Jun 29, 2024 8:33:01 GMT -5
If this hadn't been delayed back in 2015 we'd have rail cars to ride today.
I'll believe it when I see it. But the city absolutely needs it. The bridge collapse has illustrated the need for it.
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Post by microg on Jun 29, 2024 9:59:43 GMT -5
If this hadn't been delayed back in 2015 we'd have rail cars to ride today. I'll believe it when I see it. But the city absolutely needs it. The bridge collapse has illustrated the need for it. I was mixed on this. I kind of understood with Hogan when there was endless meetings on something that would end up with buses with priority. Now that it is lightrail at a minimum, I think it would be worth funding if they can just do it and not have years of meetings about it.
Also, buses with increased frequency at more locations would be nice. Tell me how I can get from Parkville Md to Bayview Hospital in a time faster than driving. I am currently getting there at 20 minutes driving. I rode the bus for 4 1/2 years from Hopkins East Baltimore to Parkville) and it was painful and that was when they had the 19 Joppa Heights which was discontinued (change to 54 with the Joppa Heights connection discounted. It was only Carney or Hillendale)
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jun 29, 2024 11:16:48 GMT -5
While I would prefer the RedLine be underground as heavy rail this is better than the stupid priority Bus crap previously proposed which is too easy to reverse. Why the F did we ever remove the existing street car tracks that previously lined the Baltimore area? It is unlikely that tracks that old would conform to modern safety standards.
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Post by guido2 on Jun 29, 2024 18:41:05 GMT -5
Okay, I watched part of the video. And as much as I would like to see and east west line of any sort (not buses). It is as Gleason used to say 'And here we go...........' SSDD. Lets play the numbers game.... once again. -Moore was sworn in on January 18, 2023 -Today is June 29, 2024, he has been in office about a year and 5 months. -Again today is June 29th and he makes this announcement. (que applause). -Per the video they will..... as MD always does, "study" things to about the end of the year, call that Jan 1 2025. -Then after much deliberation it will be 2 years of planning. So that takes us .... at the very least. till 2027. As things go in MD, there has to be a study of the study, to evaluate the study of the study ........... So Moore like every single governor before him. Doesn't have to do jack. What I am saying is that, AS ALWAYS, things are projected so far out, that the 'guy' that comes up with the proposition, maybe out of office, when, the 'shxt or get off the pot' happens. Per the projections. And I can absolutely guarantee, that if he should get elected again, (which would be absolutely fine with me if he were). You can count on the subsequent studies of the studies, pushing it way into the future. For the next Govenor, to deal with FINANCIALLY. I truly hope that I am wrong here. But, face it folks, how many times have we seen our governors, get the accolades and attah boys, and in then end they kick the how to pay for it, down the road. If you do a google search the original plan . I suggest reading these links that validate my position: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Light_RailLinken.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Metro_SubwayLink#:~:text=Planning%20studies%20from%201968%20proposed,1%20plan%2C%20published%20in%201971. Again, I reiterate, I think that an east west line would be great. But, I see, yet once again, the Lucy>Charlie Brown> football, scenario.
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Post by guido2 on Jun 29, 2024 18:42:57 GMT -5
If this hadn't been delayed back in 2015 we'd have rail cars to ride today. I'll believe it when I see it. But the city absolutely needs it. The bridge collapse has illustrated the need for it. I was mixed on this. I kind of understood with Hogan when there was endless meetings on something that would end up with buses with priority. Now that it is lightrail at a minimum, I think it would be worth funding if they can just do it and not have years of meetings about it.
Also, buses with increased frequency at more locations would be nice. Tell me how I can get from Parkville Md to Bayview Hospital in a time faster than driving. I am currently getting there at 20 minutes driving. I rode the bus for 4 1/2 years from Hopkins East Baltimore to Parkville) and it was painful and that was when they had the 19 Joppa Heights which was discontinued (change to 54 with the Joppa Heights connection discounted. It was only Carney or Hillendale)
Simple question; And how long was your ride using public transit?
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Post by guido2 on Jun 29, 2024 18:46:53 GMT -5
While I would prefer the RedLine be underground as heavy rail this is better than the stupid priority Bus crap previously proposed which is too easy to reverse. Why the F did we ever remove the existing street car tracks that previously lined the Baltimore area? It is unlikely that tracks that old would conform to modern safety standards. Your missing the point EY. The old tracks themselves are not the question. Rather, the 'path' is already there. All that needs to be done is tear up the asphalt and put down the modern/safe tracks. But wait! If people are bytching about bike lanes and dedicated bus lanes. What do you think the response will be? Yes .... everyone wants this..... but NIMBY and being inconvenienced ..... well..............SSDD
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Post by microg on Jun 30, 2024 0:25:49 GMT -5
I was mixed on this. I kind of understood with Hogan when there was endless meetings on something that would end up with buses with priority. Now that it is lightrail at a minimum, I think it would be worth funding if they can just do it and not have years of meetings about it.
Also, buses with increased frequency at more locations would be nice. Tell me how I can get from Parkville Md to Bayview Hospital in a time faster than driving. I am currently getting there at 20 minutes driving. I rode the bus for 4 1/2 years from Hopkins East Baltimore to Parkville) and it was painful and that was when they had the 19 Joppa Heights which was discontinued (change to 54 with the Joppa Heights connection discounted. It was only Carney or Hillendale)
Simple question; And how long was your ride using public transit? Short answer: About an hour or so.
Longer answer: Oh goodness, that goes back a ways. 2000-2004. I would walk out Nunley Drive to Old Harford Rd. And then the Joppa Heights Bus to State Center would pick me up. I would get off somewhere (I can't remember) to transfer to Charles Center Subway and ride it to Hopkins East Baltimore. Maybe an hour? If I got impatient going home, I could pick up a 19 Carney (now 54) instead of Joppa Heights but it meant I had to talk from Putty Hill/Harford instead of Old Harford/Nunley to get back to my apartment (Ridge Gardens)
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Post by pickle20 on Jun 30, 2024 8:55:31 GMT -5
If this hadn't been delayed back in 2015 we'd have rail cars to ride today. I'll believe it when I see it. But the city absolutely needs it. The bridge collapse has illustrated the need for it. I was mixed on this. I kind of understood with Hogan when there was endless meetings on something that would end up with buses with priority. Now that it is lightrail at a minimum, I think it would be worth funding if they can just do it and not have years of meetings about it. Also, buses with increased frequency at more locations would be nice. Tell me how I can get from Parkville Md to Bayview Hospital in a time faster than driving. I am currently getting there at 20 minutes driving. I rode the bus for 4 1/2 years from Hopkins East Baltimore to Parkville) and it was painful and that was when they had the 19 Joppa Heights which was discontinued (change to 54 with the Joppa Heights connection discounted. It was only Carney or Hillendale)
The bus, currently, isn't an alternative to driving. It's primarily for people without cars. So it's not going to get you somewhere faster or as fast as driving would. I've used the #40 QuickBus before and it worked well for getting downtown for sporting events but the route has changed and now it's not as convenient. If they do build the RL they should tunnel underground to avoid the slow ride through the city where the train sits at traffic lights with the cars its supposed to be faster than.
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Post by microg on Jun 30, 2024 9:01:10 GMT -5
I was mixed on this. I kind of understood with Hogan when there was endless meetings on something that would end up with buses with priority. Now that it is lightrail at a minimum, I think it would be worth funding if they can just do it and not have years of meetings about it. Also, buses with increased frequency at more locations would be nice. Tell me how I can get from Parkville Md to Bayview Hospital in a time faster than driving. I am currently getting there at 20 minutes driving. I rode the bus for 4 1/2 years from Hopkins East Baltimore to Parkville) and it was painful and that was when they had the 19 Joppa Heights which was discontinued (change to 54 with the Joppa Heights connection discounted. It was only Carney or Hillendale)
The bus, currently, isn't an alternative to driving. It's primarily for people without cars. So it's not going to get you somewhere faster or as fast as driving would. I've used the #40 QuickBus before and it worked well for getting downtown for sporting events but the route has changed and now it's not as convenient. If they do build the RL they should tunnel underground to avoid the slow ride through the city where the train sits at traffic lights with the cars its supposed to be faster than. I think tunneling underground is the way to go. The subway has had amazing performance. 30 minutes from Owings Mills/Hopkins. I wish we could set this up everywhere. I would sometimes ride the entire subway route to have someone pick me up at the other end, I would take the front seat. The subway used to be able to drive itself but I'm not sure if they still do it. They would just hit a button and it would move at the exact prescribed speed and automatically stop at the next station. It was state of the art.
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Post by pickle20 on Jun 30, 2024 9:04:01 GMT -5
The bus, currently, isn't an alternative to driving. It's primarily for people without cars. So it's not going to get you somewhere faster or as fast as driving would. I've used the #40 QuickBus before and it worked well for getting downtown for sporting events but the route has changed and now it's not as convenient. If they do build the RL they should tunnel underground to avoid the slow ride through the city where the train sits at traffic lights with the cars its supposed to be faster than. I think tunneling underground is the way to go. The subway has had amazing performance. 30 minutes from Owings Mills/Hopkins. I wish we could set this up everywhere. I would sometimes ride the entire subway route to have someone pick me up at the other end, I would take the front seat. The subway used to be able to drive itself but I'm not sure if they still do it. They would just hit a button and it would move at the exact prescribed speed and automatically stop at the next station. It was state of the art. The metro isn't really convenient for me coming from Frederick area but it is the best mode of transit we have in the city. And they're still using the original cars. I think the city is getting new ones soon.
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Post by microg on Jun 30, 2024 9:18:55 GMT -5
I think tunneling underground is the way to go. The subway has had amazing performance. 30 minutes from Owings Mills/Hopkins. I wish we could set this up everywhere. I would sometimes ride the entire subway route to have someone pick me up at the other end, I would take the front seat. The subway used to be able to drive itself but I'm not sure if they still do it. They would just hit a button and it would move at the exact prescribed speed and automatically stop at the next station. It was state of the art. The metro isn't really convenient for me coming from Frederick area but it is the best mode of transit we have in the city. And they're still using the original cars. I think the city is getting new ones soon. Yeah the metro isn't convenient for many but I think this is a model for mass transit. Many years ago, there was a talk of a "green line" that would have extended the existing metro to White Marsh. Imagine if they had actually done it.
There are also the NIBMYs to deal with. At one point during one of the previously bus reroute proposals, they had a line going down Taylor Ave which would have been nice given the discontinuation of the 19A (or 105 express) which was previously a McMahon route. That idea was quickly eliminated. Criminals are not using the bus to commit crimes. It's not like they break a window, steal my ancient Sega Genesis and then wait for the bus to show up (Please don't steal my Sega Genesis, I successfully beat Streets of Rage 1 and 2 but am still working on 3)
I haven't been to Frederick for a while but went to several Keys baseball games. I'm glad I didn't win the contest of the dirtiest car in the lot. I often stopped in Frederick at Roy Rogers while heading west on I-70 and eventually to I-68 on the way to New Martinsville WV.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jun 30, 2024 11:31:24 GMT -5
If they do build the RL they should tunnel underground to avoid the slow ride through the city where the train sits at traffic lights with the cars its supposed to be faster than. Perhaps making it a light rail, at ground level, is Moore's compromise. It has to be cheaper to build that way. I doubt any government official cares much about the usability of a thing. What they care about is how it looks on the political resume. Moore gets this accomplished, it looks for for him to run for a second term. And that's his gateway to higher aspirations, perhaps even the Oval Office. He hasn't distinguished himself sufficiently to merit consideration for the Presidency from me, but given time he might.
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Post by stevez51 on Jun 30, 2024 13:03:33 GMT -5
The bridge will be rebuilt before any light rail is done.
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Post by guido2 on Jun 30, 2024 16:17:42 GMT -5
Simple question; And how long was your ride using public transit? Short answer: About an hour or so.
Longer answer: Oh goodness, that goes back a ways. 2000-2004. I would walk out Nunley Drive to Old Harford Rd. And then the Joppa Heights Bus to State Center would pick me up. I would get off somewhere (I can't remember) to transfer to Charles Center Subway and ride it to Hopkins East Baltimore. Maybe an hour? If I got impatient going home, I could pick up a 19 Carney (now 54) instead of Joppa Heights but it meant I had to talk from Putty Hill/Harford instead of Old Harford/Nunley to get back to my apartment (Ridge Gardens)
And you said the same commute by car is 20 minutes. I rest my and many other suburbanites case that own cars for not using public transportation in Maryland. 😉☮️ When you do the numbers. -Driving it takes you 40 minutes round trip by car. -Taking public Transportation it is 120 minutes round trip. Provided the transportation shows up on time or at all. So. Let me pull out my calculator here. There are 260 work days in Maryland in 2023. Now 40 per round trip driving = 10,400 minutes. On the other hand, 120 minutes = 32,200 minutes. An increase in of 3 fold. I rest my case. Time is the most precious item any worker has. If one has the ability to gain some of that time by owning a car it is a no brainer. Be that right or wrong is another discussion.
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Post by ivanbalt on Jul 1, 2024 5:20:03 GMT -5
Red line or any other mass transit project in Maryland (besides DC area) will never be built. People here have decided that sitting in traffic for hours and hours each week is a much better value than spending public money on transit.
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Post by guido2 on Jul 6, 2024 15:16:18 GMT -5
Red line or any other mass transit project in Maryland (besides DC area) will never be built. People here have decided that sitting in traffic for hours and hours each week is a much better value than spending public money on transit. Mass transit will never work or should I say built/expanded till such time that actually getting started/connected till such time that mass transit is quick and seamless to those outside of the city. Cause like it or not..... the rest of the state will be paying the bill. Not Baltimore proper. For example: For giggles and grins, I went to google maps and asked it to map a driving and metro step by step from my home in Woodlawn to the Inner Harbor. Results. -If I get in my car and drive it will take me 22 minutes. -If I take Metro, 43 minutes if I take the subway or lightrail, I still have to drive to either departure point. Or up to 90 minutes if I totally rely on buses to get to some combination of subway/light rail. So, lets see. Most of us are time pressed as it is, especially if you are working and have a family. Which I am neither. But timewise the math is pretty clear. It will take 2 to 3 times longer to get where you want to go using public transportation. Now to be fair, your car may break down and you may get caught in a big traffic jam. The break down is avoided by keeping your car in running condition. Big traffic jam? Well google maps can help you get around it. And at least you are in AC, likely have food and drink and good tunes and aren't standing in the rain or some smelly homeless shelter disguised as a bus shelter. Now, with mass transit. All it takes is one bus being late or nonexistent for some unknown reason. Well who knows when you might get where you want to go. BTW. I have no skin in this fight. But after commuting from Woodlawn to DC, both driving and I also drove to the MARC parking lot and used MARC then used the DC subway to get to Reston. So I can see both sides of the situation fairly, I think.
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Post by microg on Jul 15, 2024 8:59:10 GMT -5
Red line or any other mass transit project in Maryland (besides DC area) will never be built. People here have decided that sitting in traffic for hours and hours each week is a much better value than spending public money on transit. Ivanbalt. Sadly you are likely right. I would like an underground route for both the red line and an extension of the green line east and this isn't going to happen. In reality if people have a car, why would someone want to be cramped with other disease ridden passengers for an hour? Mass transit needs to be better and more convenient than driving. The last time I rode the Carney/State Center Bus (54 formerly known as 19), my truck had broken down and this was many years ago. The subway (line 100) is the only mode of transportation that beats driving if you happen to live along it.
When I rode mass transit regularly (2000-2004), I picked up a diarrhea virus several times that made me poop uncontrollably.
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Post by upstream on Jul 15, 2024 9:10:46 GMT -5
Red line or any other mass transit project in Maryland (besides DC area) will never be built. People here have decided that sitting in traffic for hours and hours each week is a much better value than spending public money on transit. Ivanbalt. Sadly you are likely right. I would like an underground route for both the red line and an extension of the green line east and this isn't going to happen. In reality if people have a car, why would someone want to be cramped with other disease ridden passengers for an hour? Mass transit needs to be better and more convenient than driving. The last time I rode the Carney/State Center Bus (54 formerly known as 19), my truck had broken down and this was many years ago. The subway (line 100) is the only mode of transportation that beats driving if you happen to live along it.
When I rode mass transit regularly (2000-2004), I picked up a diarrhea virus several times that made me poop uncontrollably.
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Post by guido2 on Jul 15, 2024 16:52:08 GMT -5
The bridge will be rebuilt before any light rail is done. Yup! My guess they will be on the 9th or 10th review of the study of the study of the study. And Moore will be running for President.
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