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Post by stevez51 on Aug 13, 2023 16:56:43 GMT -5
You just proved the poll. More Americans want more to be done here than in Ukraine. I did no such thing The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 13, 2023 17:50:45 GMT -5
The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home. Really? Based on the poll, what percentage of the respondents wrote their member of congress? Should be easy to find
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 6:31:24 GMT -5
The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home. Not it isn’t. It’s asking them an opinion. This country works through legislative process, not what X poll or Y poll says at any given moment.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 6:35:07 GMT -5
The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home. Not it isn’t. It’s asking them an opinion. This country works through legislative process, not what X poll or Y poll says at any given moment. The legislative process is a joke. They can’t get Ukraine aid through with a stand alone vote so they are combining it with domestic spending. Harder to vote against money for Natural Disaster relief.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 6:38:21 GMT -5
Not it isn’t. It’s asking them an opinion. This country works through legislative process, not what X poll or Y poll says at any given moment. The legislative process is a joke. They can’t get Ukraine aid through with a stand alone vote so they are combining it with domestic spending. Harder to vote against money for Natural Disaster relief. So what does this have to do with polls?
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 6:44:40 GMT -5
The legislative process is a joke. They can’t get Ukraine aid through with a stand alone vote so they are combining it with domestic spending. Harder to vote against money for Natural Disaster relief. So what does this have to do with polls? It proves that Public opinion is shifting against open-ended support for the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration is trying to avoid debate over the issue by combining Ukraine aid with domestic spending. Obviously they’re not confident that the funding would get approved if it’s separated from domestic spending.
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 14, 2023 7:14:54 GMT -5
The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home. Really? Based on the poll, what percentage of the respondents wrote their member of congress? Should be easy to find The majority is saying hold off on the relief.
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 14, 2023 7:16:22 GMT -5
The poll is saying they are writing or telling Congress spend the money at home. Not it isn’t. It’s asking them an opinion. This country works through legislative process, not what X poll or Y poll says at any given moment. And they're opinion is hold off on more relief. Let the new NATO members kick in their share 1st.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 7:34:47 GMT -5
So what does this have to do with polls? It proves that Public opinion is shifting against open-ended support for the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration is trying to avoid debate over the issue by combining Ukraine aid with domestic spending. Obviously they’re not confident that the funding would get approved if it’s separated from domestic spending. It is proof of nothing aside from the opinions of the people who were polled that day. The debate over Ukraine aid and how much we should be sending is a fair one. I just don't think polls really offer anything aside from a blurry snapshot of public opinion.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 7:46:27 GMT -5
It proves that Public opinion is shifting against open-ended support for the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration is trying to avoid debate over the issue by combining Ukraine aid with domestic spending. Obviously they’re not confident that the funding would get approved if it’s separated from domestic spending. It is proof of nothing aside from the opinions of the people who were polled that day. The debate over Ukraine aid and how much we should be sending is a fair one. I just don't think polls really offer anything aside from a blurry snapshot of public opinion. Right. It’s not like there’s an election or anything important in the near future. Of course public opinion matters. It’s just a question of how the candidates campaigning for elections next year will respond to it.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 14, 2023 8:01:07 GMT -5
It is proof of nothing aside from the opinions of the people who were polled that day. The debate over Ukraine aid and how much we should be sending is a fair one. I just don't think polls really offer anything aside from a blurry snapshot of public opinion. Right. It’s not like there’s an election or anything important in the near future. Of course public opinion matters. It’s just a question of how the candidates campaigning for elections next year will respond to it. We're still more than a year away from the election. This war may have ended before then. I know you're poll obsessed but many people don't put that much stock in them and rightfully so. I disagree with adding Ukrainian aid to other relief bills. It should be done separately.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 14, 2023 13:28:48 GMT -5
So what does this have to do with polls? It proves that Public opinion is shifting against open-ended support for the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration is trying to avoid debate over the issue by combining Ukraine aid with domestic spending. Obviously they’re not confident that the funding would get approved if it’s separated from domestic spending. It does no such thing. Every year congress passes supplemental appropriations bills that include a hodge lodge of items. It is a product of the legislative calendar and general disfunction but it is not because of a single CNN public opinion poll. Stop making stuff up
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 14, 2023 13:53:26 GMT -5
It is proof of nothing aside from the opinions of the people who were polled that day. The debate over Ukraine aid and how much we should be sending is a fair one. I just don't think polls really offer anything aside from a blurry snapshot of public opinion. Right. It’s not like there’s an election or anything important in the near future. Of course public opinion matters. It’s just a question of how the candidates campaigning for elections next year will respond to it. Depends on the mail in ballots from Ukraine ........
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 14, 2023 13:55:16 GMT -5
It proves that Public opinion is shifting against open-ended support for the war in Ukraine. The Biden administration is trying to avoid debate over the issue by combining Ukraine aid with domestic spending. Obviously they’re not confident that the funding would get approved if it’s separated from domestic spending. It does no such thing. Every year congress passes supplemental appropriations bills that include a hodge lodge of items. It is a product of the legislative calendar and general disfunction but it is not because of a single CNN public opinion poll. Stop making stuff up You are still not willing to accept that a majority of people don't want to keep sending money there.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 14, 2023 14:00:06 GMT -5
It does no such thing. Every year congress passes supplemental appropriations bills that include a hodge lodge of items. It is a product of the legislative calendar and general disfunction but it is not because of a single CNN public opinion poll. Stop making stuff up You are still not willing to accept that a majority of people don't want to keep sending money there. I don't form my opinions or worldview based on one opinion poll. I also don't rely on opinion polls to help me differentiate between right and wrong.
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 14, 2023 15:57:54 GMT -5
You are still not willing to accept that a majority of people don't want to keep sending money there. I don't form my opinions or worldview based on one opinion poll. I also don't rely on opinion polls to help me differentiate between right and wrong. You say you don't and then post another poll. Weird .
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 14, 2023 16:46:20 GMT -5
I don't form my opinions or worldview based on one opinion poll. I also don't rely on opinion polls to help me differentiate between right and wrong. You say you don't and then post another poll. Weird . That poll says a majority wants the US to continue helping Ukraine. Well, which is it? Different polls say different things which is why I don't let them sway my opinions.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 14, 2023 19:04:22 GMT -5
You say you don't and then post another poll. Weird . That poll says a majority wants the US to continue helping Ukraine. Well, which is it? Different polls say different things which is why I don't let them sway my opinions. They all pretty much show that the war isn’t a top priority for most Americans and that support for financial aid is declining. The downward trend exists in most polls even if the results vary. It’s not our war. Americans have bigger problems at home…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 15, 2023 0:07:39 GMT -5
That poll says a majority wants the US to continue helping Ukraine. Well, which is it? Different polls say different things which is why I don't let them sway my opinions. They all pretty much show that the war isn’t a top priority for most Americans and that support for financial aid is declining. The downward trend exists in most polls even if the results vary. It’s not our war. Americans have bigger problems at home… We get it. You think Ukraine should give up the Donbas but polls will show you that most foreign policy issues aren't top priorities for most Americans. You consistently allow your biases cloud your objectivity. www.reuters.com/world/most-americans-support-us-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-06-28/#:~:text=The%20two%2Dday%20poll%20that,46%25%20in%20a%20May%20poll. See, I can cherry pick polls too
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 15, 2023 12:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by WKDWZD on Aug 15, 2023 12:34:24 GMT -5
Off you all go then, you fight for them, I'll hold your coats for you.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 15, 2023 12:46:21 GMT -5
Off you all go then, you fight for them, I'll hold your coats for you. They're fighting for themselves. They just need our support which I am happy to provide and so are a lot of Americans, and Europeans. I think what's interesting about that video is that you are starting to see additional efforts from the non-profit sector to maintain public support for Ukraine - probably with an eye to the supplemental appropriations that will come up later this summer/fall. In particular, the House speaker is going to find himself stuck between a number of MAGA republicans in the House who want to block consideration of any additional funding for Ukraine and the majority of republican house members who continue to support the US providing weapons and support for Ukraine.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 15, 2023 12:59:22 GMT -5
Off you all go then, you fight for them, I'll hold your coats for you. They're fighting for themselves. They just need our support which I am happy to provide and so are a lot of Americans, and Europeans. I think what's interesting about that video is that you are starting to see additional efforts from the non-profit sector to maintain public support for Ukraine - probably with an eye to the supplemental appropriations that will come up later this summer/fall. In particular, the House speaker is going to find himself stuck between a number of MAGA republicans in the House who want to block consideration of any additional funding for Ukraine and the majority of republican house members who continue to support the US providing weapons and support for Ukraine. Poll after poll shows that most Republican voters oppose continuing to give blank checks to Ukraine (attempts to audit the aid to Ukraine have been blocked in Congress). House leader McCarthy can ignore his Base if he wants but let’s not pretend that that House Republicans who are expressing skepticism about unlimited funds for a seemingly endless war aren’t responding to what their Base voters want.
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 15, 2023 13:00:15 GMT -5
I hereby name you Pollflower.
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Post by soulflower on Aug 15, 2023 13:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Aug 15, 2023 13:29:12 GMT -5
A Republican argues against Biden’s request to send Ukraine tens of billions of dollars every year
Decisions like this shouldn’t be based on appealing to emotion. We already have a $1.7 trillion annual deficit…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 15, 2023 13:53:31 GMT -5
They're fighting for themselves. They just need our support which I am happy to provide and so are a lot of Americans, and Europeans. I think what's interesting about that video is that you are starting to see additional efforts from the non-profit sector to maintain public support for Ukraine - probably with an eye to the supplemental appropriations that will come up later this summer/fall. In particular, the House speaker is going to find himself stuck between a number of MAGA republicans in the House who want to block consideration of any additional funding for Ukraine and the majority of republican house members who continue to support the US providing weapons and support for Ukraine. Poll after poll shows that most Republican voters oppose continuing to give blank checks to Ukraine (attempts to audit the aid to Ukraine have been blocked in Congress). House leader McCarthy can ignore his Base if he wants but let’s not pretend that that House Republicans who are expressing skepticism about unlimited funds for a seemingly endless war aren’t responding to what their Base voters want. Look, you can repeat this till you are blue in the face but different polls say different things. That's why I don't really pay much attention to them, especially on matters of foreign policy. Here's the other thing, events in Ukraine and elsewhere will have an impact on support. So the mutiny or battlefield developments will change public perception and support for this. The actual FACT is that bi-partisan majorities in both the Senate and the House support additional funding for Ukraine.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Aug 15, 2023 13:56:23 GMT -5
Decisions like this shouldn’t be based on appealing to emotion. We already have a $1.7 trillion annual deficit… They also shouldn't be based on the latest polling. And as has been pointed out to you. $13 billion for Ukraine is less than 1 percent of your dreaded deficit and .2 percent of our overall budget
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Post by soulflower on Aug 15, 2023 14:03:46 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Aug 15, 2023 14:14:48 GMT -5
It really is strange how so many Republicans have ZDS.
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