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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 18, 2023 9:33:07 GMT -5
Give Democrats a moderate Republican to vote for and they will. Not election denier, child molester MAGA trash. No, they won't. And the reason they won't is the same reason Republicans will likely not vote for a moderate Democrat, should one happen to somehow get elected into Congress. There are no moderates. There are moderates. If there weren't moderates Democrats would look like the current clowns who can't even elect a speaker when they control the House. And if there weren't moderates, Jim Jordan would be the speaker.
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Post by michiganjoe on Oct 18, 2023 9:48:32 GMT -5
MAGA tactics.
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Post by upstream on Oct 18, 2023 9:53:04 GMT -5
MAGAts love threatening people...
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Oct 18, 2023 11:10:10 GMT -5
Aguilar, in nominating Jeffries, had a great line. Something like, '212 to 200, no amount of election denying can keep us from seeing those vote totals.'
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 11:17:08 GMT -5
Looks like a third round coming, as Jordan has already lost three GOP votes....out of the first 45 or so votes cast.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 18, 2023 11:49:39 GMT -5
Republicans have a tiny majority because voters rejected a lot of the election denying Trumpist trash. So let's nominate and pressure people to vote for one of the worst election denying Trumpist trash for speaker.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Oct 18, 2023 12:01:31 GMT -5
Well he did worse this round, so much for that pressure campaign.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Oct 18, 2023 13:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by michiganjoe on Oct 18, 2023 13:48:42 GMT -5
Well he did worse this round, so much for that pressure campaign. Biggest problem is he appears neither well-liked or respected.
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 18, 2023 13:57:10 GMT -5
Give Democrats a moderate Republican to vote for and they will. Not election denier, child molester MAGA trash. No, they won't. And the reason they won't is the same reason Republicans will likely not vote for a moderate Democrat, should one happen to somehow get elected into Congress. There are no moderates. There are moderates in the Dem side of the House and they are in control. I don't know if there are any/many moderates in the House GOP and they certainly aren't in control. The radical right forced out Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy. And now trying to put the MAGA cheerleader and election denier in charge. Good plan. That ought to attract moderate suburban voters. That and abortion bans.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 15:00:18 GMT -5
No, they won't. And the reason they won't is the same reason Republicans will likely not vote for a moderate Democrat, should one happen to somehow get elected into Congress. There are no moderates. There are moderates in the Dem side of the House and they are in control. I don't know if there are any/many moderates in the House GOP and they certainly aren't in control. The radical right forced out Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy. And now trying to put the MAGA cheerleader and election denier in charge. Good plan. That ought to attract moderate suburban voters. That and abortion bans. Sure there are.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 18, 2023 16:34:11 GMT -5
There are moderates in the Dem side of the House and they are in control. I don't know if there are any/many moderates in the House GOP and they certainly aren't in control. The radical right forced out Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy. And now trying to put the MAGA cheerleader and election denier in charge. Good plan. That ought to attract moderate suburban voters. That and abortion bans. Sure there are. The Dems have repeatedly made it clear that they will support a moderate GOP candidate for speaker. The proof is in the pudding but there have been behind the scenes discussions about what type of concessions such a candidate would need to offer in order to win their votes. Jim Jordan should be nowhere near the line of succession to the presidency
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 18, 2023 16:41:46 GMT -5
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 16:54:31 GMT -5
The Dems have repeatedly made it clear that they will support a moderate GOP candidate for speaker. The proof is in the pudding but there have been behind the scenes discussions about what type of concessions such a candidate would need to offer in order to win their votes. Jim Jordan should be nowhere near the line of succession to the presidency Their idea of moderate is demonstrated in their positions; open borders, lax (at best) crime defense, on demand abortion, etc. That's what they see as a moderate Republican, one of their own with a red tie...or hoodie if it's from PA.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 18, 2023 16:57:22 GMT -5
The Dems have repeatedly made it clear that they will support a moderate GOP candidate for speaker. The proof is in the pudding but there have been behind the scenes discussions about what type of concessions such a candidate would need to offer in order to win their votes. Jim Jordan should be nowhere near the line of succession to the presidency Their idea of moderate is demonstrated in their positions; open borders, lax (at best) crime defense, on demand abortion, etc. That's what they see as a moderate Republican, one of their own with a red tie...or hoodie if it's from PA. Bull$hit As I have had to point out over and over again, the Dems have repeatedly increased funding (and personnel) for border security over the past few years. And, despite your assertions that the Supreme Court said abortion should be left up to the states, the GOP congress is hellbent on enacting a nationwide ban on abortions. But again, let's get back to the issue at hand, the Dems have made it clear that they will throw their weight behind a sane, and relatively moderate, GOP candidate for speaker. The ball is in the GOP's court
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 18, 2023 17:05:34 GMT -5
Indeed.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 17:14:34 GMT -5
Their idea of moderate is demonstrated in their positions; open borders, lax (at best) crime defense, on demand abortion, etc. That's what they see as a moderate Republican, one of their own with a red tie...or hoodie if it's from PA. Bull$hit As I have had to point out over and over again, the Dems have repeatedly increased funding (and personnel) for border security over the past few years. And, despite your assertions that the Supreme Court said abortion should be left up to the states, the GOP congress is hellbent on enacting a nationwide ban on abortions. But again, let's get back to the issue at hand, the Dems have made it clear that they will throw their weight behind a sane, and relatively moderate, GOP candidate for speaker. The ball is in the GOP's court The issue at hand is that "moderate" to a Dem is far left to a moderate Republican.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 18, 2023 17:22:30 GMT -5
Moderate is a “vibe” or political style, not a clearly defined political ideology. Hence why it’s difficult to identify who in Congress is really moderate.
As for the House however, it does seem like congresspeople in Swing districts are more willing to compromise or not vote the party line than congress members in safe districts.
The problem today is that there are fewer and fewer Swing districts.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 18, 2023 17:27:00 GMT -5
Moderate is a “vibe” or political style, not a clearly defined political ideology. Hence why it’s difficult to identify who in Congress is really moderate. As for the House however, it does seem like congresspeople in Swing districts are more willing to compromise or not vote the party line than congress members in safe districts. The problem today is that there are fewer and fewer Swing districts. Well said
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 18, 2023 17:28:47 GMT -5
Bull$hit As I have had to point out over and over again, the Dems have repeatedly increased funding (and personnel) for border security over the past few years. And, despite your assertions that the Supreme Court said abortion should be left up to the states, the GOP congress is hellbent on enacting a nationwide ban on abortions. But again, let's get back to the issue at hand, the Dems have made it clear that they will throw their weight behind a sane, and relatively moderate, GOP candidate for speaker. The ball is in the GOP's court The issue at hand is that "moderate" to a Dem is far left to a moderate Republican. According to you anyone left of MAGA is a left wing extremist.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 18, 2023 17:48:53 GMT -5
I’m okay with the government being broken for now. I am not. Patrick McHenry? Is he the McDonald's version of the famous patriot? "Give me McLiberty, or give me McDeath!"
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Post by upstream on Oct 18, 2023 18:10:06 GMT -5
I’m okay with the government being broken for now. I am not. Patrick McHenry? Is he the McDonald's version of the famous patriot? "Give me McLiberty, or give me McDeath!" I like the bowtie though. He kinda reminds me of this old substitute teacher we had at Poly in the early 90s named Colonel Metric. I kid you not. That was his name. He looked like Colonel Sanders of KFC fame but his bowtie was a metric ruler.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 18:11:35 GMT -5
The issue at hand is that "moderate" to a Dem is far left to a moderate Republican. According to you anyone left of MAGA is a left wing extremist. What, did the DNC have a special offer on nonsense today?
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 18, 2023 18:16:05 GMT -5
According to you anyone left of MAGA is a left wing extremist. What, did the DNC have a special offer on nonsense today? I hit the nail on head, didn't I?
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Post by ishmael on Oct 18, 2023 18:44:17 GMT -5
What, did the DNC have a special offer on nonsense today? I hit the nail on head, didn't I? No, but I bet your thumb is pretty sore from where you hit it.
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 18, 2023 18:48:04 GMT -5
I hit the nail on head, didn't I? No, but I bet your thumb is pretty sore from where you hit it. Nope I hit the head square on.
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 18, 2023 19:17:23 GMT -5
I am not. Patrick McHenry? Is he the McDonald's version of the famous patriot? "Give me McLiberty, or give me McDeath!" I like the bowtie though. He kinda reminds me of this old substitute teacher we had at Poly in the early 90s named Colonel Metric. I kid you not. That was his name. He looked like Colonel Sanders of KFC fame but his bowtie was a metric ruler. The rule re bowties is ok for kids and formal wear (white tie, black tie). Otherwise, no.
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 18, 2023 19:55:38 GMT -5
More thuggery.
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Post by ivanbalt on Oct 19, 2023 5:35:19 GMT -5
The issue at hand is that "moderate" to a Dem is far left to a moderate Republican. According to you anyone left of MAGA is a left wing extremist. He is so desperate for a both sides argument to help him pretend that Trump's GOP doesn't really exist.
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 19, 2023 6:38:29 GMT -5
Well he did worse this round, so much for that pressure campaign. Biggest problem is he appears neither well-liked or respected. How can a normal human with a good moral base like or respect such a person?
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