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Post by msmaggie on Jan 19, 2024 10:31:17 GMT -5
Where is the transcript of the interview? Sorry, not taking Jim Jordan's word for it.
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 19, 2024 10:32:30 GMT -5
Had to wait 3 yrs to investigate. You think the democrats would do it . Who was in office in 2019 and 2020 genius? When did the FBI acknowledge they actually had it and knew it wasn't Russian disinformation.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 10:34:21 GMT -5
Where is the transcript of the interview? Sorry, not taking Jim Jordan's word for it. Google it. It took me a few seconds to find it
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 19, 2024 10:38:15 GMT -5
Where is the transcript of the interview? Sorry, not taking Jim Jordan's word for it. Google it. It took me a few seconds to find it Don't bother. Next will be Rudy made him say it ......
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Post by carllafong on Jan 19, 2024 10:49:50 GMT -5
Google it. It took me a few seconds to find it Don't bother. Next will be Rudy made him say it ...... Another well thought out post ...... 👍👍
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 19, 2024 11:03:53 GMT -5
Laptop was found in October 2020, this lawsuit is from March 2023. That’s quite a passage of time during which Biden got hew lawyers who changed tactics. We don’t know what went on behind the scenes during this time either as his lawyers talked to the FBI/DOJ. I don’t know what FBI procedures are when commenting on evidence they have in active investigations. I don’t remember them giving frequent official updates on other high profile cases of this nature. You usually only find out when indictments are unsealed. Like the Bob Menendez case. A massive conspiracy seems the most likely explanation though. It always is these days. I suspect that, normally, they wouldn't comment. The problem with doing that here though, is a good chunk of the intelligence community took it upon themselves to say it was a Russian hoax. The FBI staying silent on that when they knew better discredits the Bureau.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 19, 2024 11:17:21 GMT -5
Who was in office in 2019 and 2020 genius? When did the FBI acknowledge they actually had it and knew it wasn't Russian disinformation. Excuses excuses. Face it, ya'll have the man's laptop for 5 years and all you found were some drugs and dick pics.
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Post by stevez51 on Jan 19, 2024 11:36:28 GMT -5
When did the FBI acknowledge they actually had it and knew it wasn't Russian disinformation. Excuses excuses. Face it, ya'll have the man's laptop for 5 years and all you found were some drugs and dick pics. If Jimmy Jazz is correct that the laptop was found in 2020, where is your 5 yrs ..??
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Jan 19, 2024 11:58:43 GMT -5
I suspect that, normally, they wouldn't comment. The problem with doing that here though, is a good chunk of the intelligence community took it upon themselves to say it was a Russian hoax. The FBI staying silent on that when they knew better discredits the Bureau. The letter is below, the people who signed it were not employed by the government but were all ‘former senior intelligence officials’. They never outright say it’s a Russian hoax, just that their experience leads them to believe, etc… I think they were kidding themselves and knew it. But in any event, should the FBI go around correcting bad information put out by civilian actors? I feel like we’ve decided the government shouldn’t be doing that. www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 12:03:12 GMT -5
I suspect that, normally, they wouldn't comment. The problem with doing that here though, is a good chunk of the intelligence community took it upon themselves to say it was a Russian hoax. The FBI staying silent on that when they knew better discredits the Bureau. The letter is below, the people who signed it were not employed by the government but were all ‘former senior intelligence officials’. They never outright say it’s a Russian hoax, just that their experience leads them to believe, etc… I think they were kidding themselves and knew it. But in any event, should the FBI go around correcting bad information put out by civilian actors? I feel like we’ve decided the government shouldn’t be doing that. www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000Following that Politico article, Trump’s Homeland Security Director made a statement that they had no evidence of foreign involvement with the Laptop story. The FBI director didn’t deny what the DHS guy said. Some of the people involved with that letter were working in intelligence for the government at the time. It was a very unusual letter but they succeeded in getting the media to be skeptical and unfairly cast doubt on the NY Post’s reporting. The former CIA director confirmed that they didn’t intend to do the letter before being contacted by Biden’s campaign.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Jan 19, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -5
Following that Politico article, Trump’s Homeland Security Director made a statement that they had no evidence of foreign involvement with the Laptop story. The FBI director didn’t deny what the DHS guy said. Some of the people involved with that letter were working in intelligence for the government at the time. It was a very unusual letter but they succeeded in getting the media to be skeptical and unfairly cast doubt on the NY Post’s reporting. The former CIA director confirmed that they didn’t intend to do the letter before being contacted by Biden’s campaign. Which signatory was employed by the government on October 19, 2020?
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Post by msmaggie on Jan 19, 2024 12:25:29 GMT -5
Where is the transcript of the interview? Sorry, not taking Jim Jordan's word for it. Google it. It took me a few seconds to find it All I find is Jim Jordan's account. No actual transcript.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 12:34:09 GMT -5
Following that Politico article, Trump’s Homeland Security Director made a statement that they had no evidence of foreign involvement with the Laptop story. The FBI director didn’t deny what the DHS guy said. Some of the people involved with that letter were working in intelligence for the government at the time. It was a very unusual letter but they succeeded in getting the media to be skeptical and unfairly cast doubt on the NY Post’s reporting. The former CIA director confirmed that they didn’t intend to do the letter before being contacted by Biden’s campaign. Which signatory was employed by the government on October 19, 2020?Not as a signatory, but played a role in heling to get signatures: House Republicans say CIA staffer helped seek support for statement from former intel officials questioning Hunter Biden laptop story"House Judiciary Republicans say in a new report that one of the letter’s signers told committee investigators that a staff member at the CIA asked him about signing onto the effort.Former CIA official David Cariens told the committee via email that he was in the process of getting a book of his approved by the CIA’s publications review board in 2020 when the individual in charge of approving his work asked if he wanted to sign onto the letter framing the Hunter Biden laptop story as Russian disinformation, according to the report. At the time, the letter about the Hunter Biden laptop story was also under review by the review board.
“When the person in charge of reviewing the book called to say it was approved with no changes, I was told about the draft letter,” Cariens said, the report said.
Cariens added that after being read certain portions of the letter, “I agreed to sign.”"
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 19, 2024 12:41:13 GMT -5
I suspect that, normally, they wouldn't comment. The problem with doing that here though, is a good chunk of the intelligence community took it upon themselves to say it was a Russian hoax. The FBI staying silent on that when they knew better discredits the Bureau. The letter is below, the people who signed it were not employed by the government but were all ‘former senior intelligence officials’. They never outright say it’s a Russian hoax, just that their experience leads them to believe, etc… I think they were kidding themselves and knew it. But in any event, should the FBI go around correcting bad information put out by civilian actors? I feel like we’ve decided the government shouldn’t be doing that. www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000The letter used the "color of authority" of the signatories to create a false impression of the facts. The FBI knew better and should have said as much.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Jan 19, 2024 12:48:55 GMT -5
Not as a signatory, but played a role in heling to get signatures: House Republicans say CIA staffer helped seek support for statement from former intel officials questioning Hunter Biden laptop story"House Judiciary Republicans say in a new report that one of the letter’s signers told committee investigators that a staff member at the CIA asked him about signing onto the effort.Former CIA official David Cariens told the committee via email that he was in the process of getting a book of his approved by the CIA’s publications review board in 2020 when the individual in charge of approving his work asked if he wanted to sign onto the letter framing the Hunter Biden laptop story as Russian disinformation, according to the report. At the time, the letter about the Hunter Biden laptop story was also under review by the review board.
“When the person in charge of reviewing the book called to say it was approved with no changes, I was told about the draft letter,” Cariens said, the report said.
Cariens added that after being read certain portions of the letter, “I agreed to sign.”"So we’ve gone from ‘some’ to one unnamed person who supposedly asked someone if he wanted to sign a letter. Just as a reminder, my contention here is that the FBI shouldn’t be involved in ‘debunking’ bad information put out by private citizens. This letter was clearly put out by private citizens regardless of whether a person at the CIA asked another person about signing it. I don’t see how anything you’ve posted changes that.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Jan 19, 2024 12:49:37 GMT -5
The letter used the "color of authority" of the signatories to create a false impression of the facts. The FBI knew better and should have said as much. I agree the letter did that. I don’t think it’s the FBI’s job to address it.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 13:01:47 GMT -5
Not as a signatory, but played a role in heling to get signatures: House Republicans say CIA staffer helped seek support for statement from former intel officials questioning Hunter Biden laptop story"House Judiciary Republicans say in a new report that one of the letter’s signers told committee investigators that a staff member at the CIA asked him about signing onto the effort.Former CIA official David Cariens told the committee via email that he was in the process of getting a book of his approved by the CIA’s publications review board in 2020 when the individual in charge of approving his work asked if he wanted to sign onto the letter framing the Hunter Biden laptop story as Russian disinformation, according to the report. At the time, the letter about the Hunter Biden laptop story was also under review by the review board.
“When the person in charge of reviewing the book called to say it was approved with no changes, I was told about the draft letter,” Cariens said, the report said.
Cariens added that after being read certain portions of the letter, “I agreed to sign.”"So we’ve gone from ‘some’ to one unnamed person who supposedly asked someone if he wanted to sign a letter. Just as a reminder, my contention here is that the FBI shouldn’t be involved in ‘debunking’ bad information put out by private citizens. This letter was clearly put out by private citizens regardless of whether a person at the CIA asked another person about signing it. I don’t see how anything you’ve posted changes that. It was organized by Biden's campaign and apparently some person or persons who are still employed by the US government helped to get signitures. These retired intel officials didn't independently decide to make that letter. It was coordinated with and prompted by Biden's campaign. News outlets were unaware of the origins of the letter at the time. It's fine if you're okay with that. I'm just setting the historic record straight now that we know far more than we did in 2020.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 19, 2024 18:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 18:19:20 GMT -5
Emails about Ukrainian oligarchs and Chinese business deals. The fact that investigators dragged their feet is why some of the IRS whistleblowers came forward.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 19:19:23 GMT -5
The letter is below, the people who signed it were not employed by the government but were all ‘former senior intelligence officials’. They never outright say it’s a Russian hoax, just that their experience leads them to believe, etc… I think they were kidding themselves and knew it. But in any event, should the FBI go around correcting bad information put out by civilian actors? I feel like we’ve decided the government shouldn’t be doing that. www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000Following that Politico article, Trump’s Homeland Security Director made a statement that they had no evidence of foreign involvement with the Laptop story. The FBI director didn’t deny what the DHS guy said. Some of the people involved with that letter were working in intelligence for the government at the time. It was a very unusual letter but they succeeded in getting the media to be skeptical and unfairly cast doubt on the NY Post’s reporting. The former CIA director confirmed that they didn’t intend to do the letter before being contacted by Biden’s campaign. We've been through this a thousand times. There's nothing unusual about a sign on letter. They happen in DC all the time. I actually helped draft sign on letters when I was in DC back in the 90s and also reached out to people to sign onto these letters. There are probably a couple of dozen sign on letters circulating around the Hill right now. This has been explained to you about a dozen times and yet you persist in simply spewing this crap when you don't know what you're talking about. As for the NY Post, again we see your visceral anti-Biden bias rearing its ugly head. The fact that Guilian and Banon brought a hard drive to the Post which they would then not share with other media outlets to enable them to try and verify the drive was, and is, more than enough to cast doubt on where some of the material on that drive came from. And again, we now know that the drive was tampered with multiple times.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 19:20:49 GMT -5
Emails about Ukrainian oligarchs and Chinese business deals. The fact that investigators dragged their feet is why some of the IRS whistleblowers came forward. You're expecting us to believe that Donald Trump's DOJ didn't investigate something that would have hurt his political opponent and helped Trump.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 19:30:41 GMT -5
Following that Politico article, Trump’s Homeland Security Director made a statement that they had no evidence of foreign involvement with the Laptop story. The FBI director didn’t deny what the DHS guy said. Some of the people involved with that letter were working in intelligence for the government at the time. It was a very unusual letter but they succeeded in getting the media to be skeptical and unfairly cast doubt on the NY Post’s reporting. The former CIA director confirmed that they didn’t intend to do the letter before being contacted by Biden’s campaign. There's nothing unusual about a sign on letter. They happen in DC all the time. It's normal for political campaigns to manipulate the news media the way the Biden campaign did with that letter? Biden campaign 'triggered' letter discrediting Hunter Biden laptop story, ex-CIA director confirmsThe fact that you think dirty politics is 'normal' is what's wrong with the DC swamp. For the last four years you denied that the laptop belonged to Hunter long after it became obvious that he was lying about it. Either you're naive or dishonest. I'm not sure which.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 19:34:18 GMT -5
Wait, Steve didn't have his facts straight? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 19:49:33 GMT -5
There's nothing unusual about a sign on letter. They happen in DC all the time. It's normal for political campaigns to manipulate the news media the way the Biden campaign did with that letter? The fact that you think dirty politics is 'normal' is what's wrong with the DC swamp. For the last four years you denied that the laptop belonged to Hunter long after it became obvious that he was lying about it. Either you're naive or dishonest. I'm not sure which. I'll tell you what I've learned over the past couple of years... there is simply no end to your hypocrisy and disingenuousness . Rudy Giuliani publicly states that he is going to Ukraine at the behest of President Trump to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden and spends his time hanging out with known Russian agents. He then brings a hard drive to a conservative tabloid paper and gets the paper to run salacious personal (and private) details about a Joe Biden's son in order create a controversy in the immediate run up to the election. It has all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation or kompromat operation but you're totally fine with that. Never a peep about that. Isn't that manipulating the media? The Biden campaign and other people in DC create a letter in which people with knowledge of intelligence matters point out that whole thing stinks and, in your eyes, THAT'S THE DIRTY POLITICS. Spare us all. No, I'm neither dishonest nor naive, I can just smell your bull$hit from a mile away
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 20:20:28 GMT -5
It's normal for political campaigns to manipulate the news media the way the Biden campaign did with that letter? The fact that you think dirty politics is 'normal' is what's wrong with the DC swamp. For the last four years you denied that the laptop belonged to Hunter long after it became obvious that he was lying about it. Either you're naive or dishonest. I'm not sure which. The Biden campaign and other people in DC create a letter in which people with knowledge of intelligence matters point out that whole thing stinks and, in your eyes, THAT'S THE DIRTY POLITICS. Spare us all. No, I'm neither dishonest nor naive, I can just smell your bull$hit from a mile away If you believe Joe Biden and Tony Blinken didn’t know the DOJ had Hunter’s laptop since 2019 then it’s settled, you’re naive. It’s very difficult to keep secrets in DC…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 20:25:25 GMT -5
The Biden campaign and other people in DC create a letter in which people with knowledge of intelligence matters point out that whole thing stinks and, in your eyes, THAT'S THE DIRTY POLITICS. Spare us all. No, I'm neither dishonest nor naive, I can just smell your bull$hit from a mile away If you believe Joe Biden and Tony Blinken didn’t know the DOJ had Hunter’s laptop since 2019 then it’s settled, you’re naive. It’s very difficult to keep secrets in DC… Nice dodge. Great effort to deflect any attention from the actual dirty politics that was going on at the time as well as your hypocrisy
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Post by soulflower on Jan 19, 2024 20:45:28 GMT -5
If you believe Joe Biden and Tony Blinken didn’t know the DOJ had Hunter’s laptop since 2019 then it’s settled, you’re naive. It’s very difficult to keep secrets in DC… Nice dodge. Great effort to deflect any attention from the actual dirty politics that was going on at the time as well as your hypocrisy It's not a dodge. It's common sense. Do you really think the FBI or DOJ didn't notify Joe Biden's Secret Service detail about Hunter's laptop when they took it into their custody in 2019? Obviously Hunter knew it was his laptop so it's very likely that Joe knew at the time when the NY Post story broke. I've acknowledged that dirty politics has been played by BOTH sides. My initial thoughts on the NY Post story was that it was timed to be an "October surprise" by Bannon and Rudy and I didn't think the story itself was a big deal. What I didn't expect was the unprecedented attempts to suppress and censor the NY Post article.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 21:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 19, 2024 21:17:34 GMT -5
Emails about Ukrainian oligarchs and Chinese business deals. The fact that investigators dragged their feet is why some of the IRS whistleblowers came forward. So where are the crimes? Where are the charges for those crimes?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 19, 2024 21:42:03 GMT -5
Nice dodge. Great effort to deflect any attention from the actual dirty politics that was going on at the time as well as your hypocrisy It's common sense. Do you really think the FBI or DOJ didn't notify Joe Biden's Secret Service detail about Hunter's laptop when they took it into their custody in 2019? They would be under no obligation to do so. Does the FBI always notify potential suspects of investigations that they have evidence in their possession? Know a lot about investigative practices and procedures do we? You're just trying to manufacture a scandal. Nothing else
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