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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:34:58 GMT -5
So, you've got nothing. You've been spewing this stuff for about four years now and you literally have nothing beyond 'fishy' or 'stinks' Cry harder. You're just upset that your conspiracy theories about the origins of the Hunter laptop story have been debunked by Biden's DOJ. I missed it. Did the DOJ come out and say that Rudy Giuliani DIDN'T bring a hard drive to the New York Post containing salicious, and private, material about Hunter Biden? You are aware that there's a difference between a laptop and a hard drive, right? Meanwhile, you've been silent about the obvious and rampaging corruption from Trump and Javanka where we have prima facie evidence of corruption. Because I don't have TDS. Which means, I don't get alarmed every time the guy says something stupid. Haven't done that since 2018 or so. I'm with you 80% of the time on policy issues but I don't have TDS and because of that, I'm basically a "rightwinger" to you. Which is what's wrong with politics today. There you go again. I wasn't referring to Donald Trump's statements. I was referring to the preponderance of prima facie evidence of Trump and Javanka's corruption. And why do I bring up Javanka? Because they had gain West Wing offices and security clearances while they were still raking in hundreds of millions of dollars (often from foreign sources). But you'll do everything in your power to avoid talking about that while continuing to spew this nonsense about Hunter (who, by the way, never worked for the government in either the Biden or Obama administrations).
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 11:42:06 GMT -5
Did the DOJ come out and say that Rudy Giuliani DIDN'T bring a hard drive to the New York Post containing salicious, and private, material about Hunter Biden? You are aware that there's a difference between a laptop and a hard drive, right? Of course. The repair shop owner said he copied the contents of Hunter's laptop to a hard drive. You would know that if you took the time to read the original NY Post article. It's also true that the DOJ is no longer investigating Rudy over his relationships with sketchy Ukrainians so there's little chance that your theory about foreign involvement with Rudy on this issue has any legs. In contrast, my speculation that someone inside the FBI or DOJ tipped off Rudy about the laptop remains plausible (but unproven). Almost four years later, there's zero evidence that any of the contents from the hard drive/laptop were not authentic or were planted. You're desperately grasping at straws at this point.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 11:53:53 GMT -5
The length of time means little honestly. Look how long it took for the Feds to take the Epstein case seriously for example. It's just a cop out by you. Cop out...LOL Republicans have been combing through this laptop since it was dropped off. Even the guy who first handled it doesn't believe there's anything incriminating on it and says the hard drive has been compromised since it's been passed around so much. Very unlikely anything substantial comes from this. You may be right but it's still premature given that the Special prosecutor investigation began only a few months ago. If and when that investigation ends without additional charges for Hunter, then we can conclude that there's "nothing" incriminating. But for now, I don't know much about what charges the DOJ is still considering aside from what they've already charged Hunter with. There are some sketchy emails and texts that have been made public the last few years. Whether they're evidence of criminal wrongdoing is up to the prosecutor. I doubt that a single piece of evidence alone would be incriminating. Most likely, it must be viewed in the context of other evidence or witness statements. For me, the bigger story was the news media and social media companies freaking out about the laptop story when it first broke and taking unprecedented steps to try to censor or suppress the NY Post article. The coverup is usually worse than the crime...
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:57:58 GMT -5
Did the DOJ come out and say that Rudy Giuliani DIDN'T bring a hard drive to the New York Post containing salicious, and private, material about Hunter Biden? You are aware that there's a difference between a laptop and a hard drive, right? Of course. The repair shop owner said he copied the contents of Hunter's laptop to a hard drive. You would know that if you took the time to read the original NY Post article. It's also true that the DOJ is no longer investigating Rudy over his relationships with sketchy Ukrainians so there's little chance that your theory about foreign involvement with Rudy on this issue has any legs. In contrast, my speculation that someone inside the FBI or DOJ tipped off Rudy about the laptop remains plausible (but unproven). Almost four years later, there's zero evidence that any of the contents from the hard drive/laptop were not authentic or were planted. You're desperately grasping at straws at this point. Yes, the legally blind guy did say that. He also said that there was stuff attributed to that lap top that was added or planted later. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out to you almost 1000 times, people who have looked at the hard drive have said that it was obviously tampered with on several occasions. You'd know this if we actually read what I and others have posted in response this dead horse topic multiple times. We're not the desperate ones here, you are.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 11:59:16 GMT -5
For me, the bigger story was the news media and social media companies freaking out about the laptop story when it first broke and taking unprecedented steps to try to censor or suppress the NY Post article. The coverup is usually worse than the crime... And, full circle. It's like talking to a brick wall. Again, notice, Soul doesn't have a problem with the dirty tricks from Giuliani and Trump. He doesn't even mention it. Instead, he has a problem with the response to the dirty tricks which he then tries to elevate into a 'scandal'.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 12:03:17 GMT -5
Of course. The repair shop owner said he copied the contents of Hunter's laptop to a hard drive. You would know that if you took the time to read the original NY Post article. It's also true that the DOJ is no longer investigating Rudy over his relationships with sketchy Ukrainians so there's little chance that your theory about foreign involvement with Rudy on this issue has any legs. In contrast, my speculation that someone inside the FBI or DOJ tipped off Rudy about the laptop remains plausible (but unproven). Almost four years later, there's zero evidence that any of the contents from the hard drive/laptop were not authentic or were planted. You're desperately grasping at straws at this point. Yes, the legally blind guy did say that. He also said that there was stuff attributed to that lap top that was added or planted later. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out to you almost 1000 times, people who have looked at the hard drive have said that it was obviously tampered with on several occasions. You'd know this if we actually read what I and others have posted in response this dead horse topic multiple times. We're not the desperate ones here, you are. From the OP article: Weiss wrote that in September 2019 Apple provided digital backups of Hunter's data in response to a search warrant and the laptop was "largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple investigators had already."
Still waiting for Joy to provide a single example of a photo or email attributed to Hunter's laptop that was fake or altered.
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Post by pickle20 on Jan 22, 2024 12:05:44 GMT -5
Cop out...LOL Republicans have been combing through this laptop since it was dropped off. Even the guy who first handled it doesn't believe there's anything incriminating on it and says the hard drive has been compromised since it's been passed around so much. Very unlikely anything substantial comes from this. You may be right but it's still premature given that the Special prosecutor investigation began only a few months ago. If and when that investigation ends without additional charges for Hunter, then we can conclude that there's "nothing" incriminating. But for now, I don't know much about what charges the DOJ is still considering aside from what they've already charged Hunter with. There are some sketchy emails and texts that have been made public the last few years. Whether they're evidence of criminal wrongdoing is up to the prosecutor. I doubt that a single piece of evidence alone would be incriminating. Most likely, it must be viewed in the context of other evidence or witness statements. For me, the bigger story was the news media and social media companies freaking out about the laptop story when it first broke and taking unprecedented steps to try to censor or suppress the NY Post article. The coverup is usually worse than the crime... This has been a nothingburger from the start.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 12:14:53 GMT -5
You may be right but it's still premature given that the Special prosecutor investigation began only a few months ago. If and when that investigation ends without additional charges for Hunter, then we can conclude that there's "nothing" incriminating. But for now, I don't know much about what charges the DOJ is still considering aside from what they've already charged Hunter with. There are some sketchy emails and texts that have been made public the last few years. Whether they're evidence of criminal wrongdoing is up to the prosecutor. I doubt that a single piece of evidence alone would be incriminating. Most likely, it must be viewed in the context of other evidence or witness statements. For me, the bigger story was the news media and social media companies freaking out about the laptop story when it first broke and taking unprecedented steps to try to censor or suppress the NY Post article. The coverup is usually worse than the crime... This has been a nothingburger from the start. Okay.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 12:22:04 GMT -5
Yes, the legally blind guy did say that. He also said that there was stuff attributed to that lap top that was added or planted later. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out to you almost 1000 times, people who have looked at the hard drive have said that it was obviously tampered with on several occasions. You'd know this if we actually read what I and others have posted in response this dead horse topic multiple times. We're not the desperate ones here, you are. From the OP article: Weiss wrote that in September 2019 Apple provided digital backups of Hunter's data in response to a search warrant and the laptop was "largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple investigators had already."
Still waiting for Joy to provide a single example of a photo or email attributed to Hunter's laptop that was fake or altered. You're perpetually confused. So, again. There's a difference between a hard drive and a laptop. And you can bold that statement until your fingers bleed but all it reveals is that the DOJ has Hunter's data. That's it. And again, we know that when forensics experts examined one of the hard drives they said it had obviously been tampered with multiple times. Even the store owner said that there was stuff on that hard drive that he did not see on the laptop. Meanwhile, at least one of the people Giuliani was hanging out with in Ukraine in his quest for dirt on Hunter has been charged with treason for being a Russian spy. So, yes, you can rest easy, I am sure that those really are pictures of Hunter Biden's Johnson. How they got onto the hard drive that Rudy was hawking is up for debate. But let's look deeper at the four year long campaign of stupidity you have been running on this topic. You can't point to anything publicly available about these emails that indicate criminal activity by this private citizen, much less criminal activity by his father, the president. You don't really seem to have a problem with Giuliani taking someone else's personal data and hawking it to the press in order to torpedo an election at the behest of a sitting president. You don't seem to have a problem with people posting salacious photos of a private individual all over the web and even blowing them up poster sized to show in House committee meetings. But, you've got a big problem with the fact that some former government officials put out a letter at the time saying that this story stank to the high heaven and had all the hall marks of a Russian disinformation/kompromat job. Which it did.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 12:32:26 GMT -5
From the OP article: Weiss wrote that in September 2019 Apple provided digital backups of Hunter's data in response to a search warrant and the laptop was "largely duplicative of information investigators had already obtained from Apple investigators had already."
Still waiting for Joy to provide a single example of a photo or email attributed to Hunter's laptop that was fake or altered. But, you've got a big problem with the fact that some former government officials put out a letter at the time saying that this story stank to the high heaven and had all the hall marks of a Russian disinformation/kompromat job. Which it did. The retired Intel officials admitted they had no evidence to base their assumptions on (it was 100% speculative just like my guess that Rudy was tipped off by people in the FBI or DOJ) and the former CIA director, Morel, confirmed that it was Antony Blinken who prompted them to create that letter. Some gullible people still won't accept that Joe Biden and Antony Blinken likely knew at the time that the DOJ had Hunter's laptop in their possession and that the letter was a Damage Control PR job on the eve of the 2020 election. They basically succeeded in suppressing the laptop story until after the election. Bravo.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 22, 2024 12:36:30 GMT -5
But, you've got a big problem with the fact that some former government officials put out a letter at the time saying that this story stank to the high heaven and had all the hall marks of a Russian disinformation/kompromat job. Which it did. The retired Intel officials admitted they had no evidence to base their assumptions on (it was 100% speculative just like my guess that Rudy was tipped off by people in the FBI or DOJ) and the former CIA director, Morel, confirmed that it was Antony Blinken who prompted them to create that letter. Some gullible people still won't accept that Joe Biden and Antony Blinken likely knew at the time that the DOJ had Hunter's laptop in their possession and that the letter was a Damage Control PR job on the eve of the 2020 election. They basically succeeded in suppressing the laptop story until after the election. Bravo. Thanks for proving my point. You don't have a problem with Trump/Guiliani orchestrated dirty tricks but you seem very upset that they didn't work.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 22, 2024 12:41:28 GMT -5
The retired Intel officials admitted they had no evidence to base their assumptions on (it was 100% speculative just like my guess that Rudy was tipped off by people in the FBI or DOJ) and the former CIA director, Morel, confirmed that it was Antony Blinken who prompted them to create that letter. Some gullible people still won't accept that Joe Biden and Antony Blinken likely knew at the time that the DOJ had Hunter's laptop in their possession and that the letter was a Damage Control PR job on the eve of the 2020 election. They basically succeeded in suppressing the laptop story until after the election. Bravo. Thanks for proving my point. You don't have a problem with Trump/Guiliani orchestrated dirty tricks but you seem very upset that they didn't work. I didn't think their "October surprise" attempt was a big deal when the Post story was first published. I didn't post anything about the NY Post's laptop story until Twitter and Facebook attempted to censor it. No one would still be talking about the laptop four years later if the media companies and Biden's campaign didn't work so hard to bury the story. Streisand effect.
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Post by michiganjoe on Apr 30, 2024 13:21:12 GMT -5
Allegation is fabricated material on the laptop.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 14:44:17 GMT -5
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say to learn that the some of the material on that hard drive was fabricated.
Who could have predicted that?
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 14:54:33 GMT -5
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say to learn that the some of the material on that hard drive was fabricated. The suit doesn't allege that the text messages were fabricated. He's arguing that he was wrongly identified (by the NY Post and the Daily Mail) as the Secret Service Agent Hunter texted: "The suit alleges that the telephone number associated with the texts was not linked to Savage, who was questioned in 2022 by agents from the FBI and IRS and later served a grand jury subpoena in Delaware."www.rawstory.com/hunter-biden-2668102470/Nice try though. Doesn't change the fact that Hunter's laptop has been in the possession of the DOJ since 2019 and the computer repair shop guy apparently told the truth.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 14:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 15:07:27 GMT -5
It's possible that some Rightwing news outlets identified the wrong person as the Secret Service agent. And if that's the case, it's a legit lawsuit. But it doesn't prove that the content of the text messages were "fabricated". If that were true, Hunter would've sued the day after the articles were published.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 15:09:15 GMT -5
It's possible that some Rightwing news outlets identified the wrong person as the Secret Service agent. And if that's the case, it's a legit lawsuit. But it doesn't prove that the content of the text messages were "fabricated". If that were true, Hunter would've sued the day after the articles were published. Take it up with the lawyer. We tried to warn you that this whole lap top story stinks to high heaven but you wouldn't listen
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 15:11:55 GMT -5
It's possible that some Rightwing news outlets identified the wrong person as the Secret Service agent. And if that's the case, it's a legit lawsuit. But it doesn't prove that the content of the text messages were "fabricated". If that were true, Hunter would've sued the day after the articles were published. Take it up with the lawyer. Don't be so gullible. A lawyers job it to try to put their client in the best position to win. Still waiting for evidence that the content of any photos, texts, or emails was fabricated. Again, it was the news outlets that wrongly named Savage and that's why they're being sued.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 30, 2024 15:15:20 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 15:16:22 GMT -5
Take it up with the lawyer. Don't be so gullible. A lawyers job it to try to put their client in the best position to win. Still waiting for evidence that the content of any photos, texts, or emails was fabricated. Again, it was the news outlets that wrongly named Savage and that's why they're being sued. There is literally a law suit saying that text messages were fabricated. A lawyer can get sanctioned or even disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits or misrepresenting facts in a legal proceeding. As has been explained to you repeatedly, the hard drive that Giuliani was shopping around had obviously been tampered with but you refused to listen.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 30, 2024 15:20:26 GMT -5
Take it up with the lawyer. Don't be so gullible. A lawyers job it to try to put their client in the best position to win. Still waiting for evidence that the content of any photos, texts, or emails was fabricated. Again, it was the news outlets that wrongly named Savage and that's why they're being sued. 👋 Hey over here. I am still waiting for even 'fake' photos, texts, or emails........ For some reason.... during all these time consuming hearings...blah.... blah. I haven't heard of anything of worth. Unless one considers pictures of Mr. Happy of important note. Am I wrong there? Has there been any real sort of documentation fake or otherwise that means something?
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 15:31:38 GMT -5
Don't be so gullible. A lawyers job it to try to put their client in the best position to win. Still waiting for evidence that the content of any photos, texts, or emails was fabricated. Again, it was the news outlets that wrongly named Savage and that's why they're being sued. There is literally a law suit saying that text messages were fabricated. A lawyer can get sanctioned or even disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits or misrepresenting facts in a legal proceeding. As has been explained to you repeatedly, the hard drive that Giuliani was shopping around had obviously been tampered with but you refused to listen. The lawsuit can say the "earth is flat" for all I care. Just because a lawyer states something doesn't mean it has been proven to be true. What is provable is that the phone number associated with the text messages is not connected to Robert Savage. I assume the lawyers at least can prove that he is not the Secret Service agent associated with those messages.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 30, 2024 15:55:19 GMT -5
Don't be so gullible. A lawyers job it to try to put their client in the best position to win. Still waiting for evidence that the content of any photos, texts, or emails was fabricated. Again, it was the news outlets that wrongly named Savage and that's why they're being sued. There is literally a law suit saying that text messages were fabricated. A lawyer can get sanctioned or even disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits or misrepresenting facts in a legal proceeding.As has been explained to you repeatedly, the hard drive that Giuliani was shopping around had obviously been tampered with but you refused to listen. That might be true..... provided you are not representing Trump. Cause if it were true across the board.... IOWs including Trumps mouthpieces. Well, he would have to use a public defender. At least from my seat in the stadium.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 30, 2024 16:08:04 GMT -5
There is literally a law suit saying that text messages were fabricated. A lawyer can get sanctioned or even disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits or misrepresenting facts in a legal proceeding. As has been explained to you repeatedly, the hard drive that Giuliani was shopping around had obviously been tampered with but you refused to listen. The lawsuit can say the "earth is flat" for all I care. Just because a lawyer states something doesn't mean it has been proven to be true. What is provable is that the phone number associated with the text messages is not connected to Robert Savage. I assume the lawyers at least can prove that he is not the Secret Service agent associated with those messages. Yes, that statement is generally accurate. Legal statements made by lawyers are not automatically considered proven facts. Lawyers advocate for their clients and present arguments based on legal interpretations, but the ultimate determination of truth or validity lies with the court, judge, or jury. Evidence, legal precedent, and the legal process play crucial roles in establishing truth in legal matters. Now the question is in reference to JIMs statement really boils down to timing and repetition. What I mean is, at some point, the 'truth/lie' that a lawyer presents will be vested either way. However, where it becomes problematic is when, a 'truth/lie' is proven to be a lie..... and the lie persists. Especially on the part of the lawyer that first brought it up. Is where it becomes problematic and susceptible to sanctions or worse.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 30, 2024 16:21:58 GMT -5
There is literally a law suit saying that text messages were fabricated. A lawyer can get sanctioned or even disbarred for filing frivolous lawsuits or misrepresenting facts in a legal proceeding. As has been explained to you repeatedly, the hard drive that Giuliani was shopping around had obviously been tampered with but you refused to listen. The lawsuit can say the "earth is flat" for all I care. Just because a lawyer states something doesn't mean it has been proven to be true. What is provable is that the phone number associated with the text messages is not connected to Robert Savage. I assume the lawyers at least can prove that he is not the Secret Service agent associated with those messages. Which begs the question, who did this and why? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and it has since Guilliani was running around Ukraine with known Russian agents looking for dirt on Hunter.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 30, 2024 17:59:26 GMT -5
The lawsuit can say the "earth is flat" for all I care. Just because a lawyer states something doesn't mean it has been proven to be true. What is provable is that the phone number associated with the text messages is not connected to Robert Savage. I assume the lawyers at least can prove that he is not the Secret Service agent associated with those messages. Which begs the question, who did this and why? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and it has since Guilliani was running around Ukraine with known Russian agents looking for dirt on Hunter. Two old phrases: - Where there is smoke there is fire. - If you smell poop.... check your shoe. Lets face it. If not for our (according to Donnie) screwed up legal system. Guilli, Donnie and a host of others would have been drawn and quartered, or hung about 200 years ago. More recently, they would have been offered a cigarette and a blindfold. But! We got to get in all these billable hours for this nonsense. To be honest, I am paying less and less attention to this stuff anymore. It's getting boring and more importantly very very very frustrating. And at 70 I don't need it anymore.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 30, 2024 21:13:40 GMT -5
The lawsuit can say the "earth is flat" for all I care. Just because a lawyer states something doesn't mean it has been proven to be true. What is provable is that the phone number associated with the text messages is not connected to Robert Savage. I assume the lawyers at least can prove that he is not the Secret Service agent associated with those messages. Which begs the question, who did this and why? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and it has since Guilliani was running around Ukraine with known Russian agents looking for dirt on Hunter. Ask the DOJ. Oh wait, they closed the case that you’re referring without any charges. Prosecutors: Giuliani won’t be charged over Ukraine-related actionswww.politico.com/news/2022/11/14/giuliani-ukraine-fbi-trump-00066840Keep hope alive. The truth is out there…
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Post by JoyinMudville on May 1, 2024 9:43:13 GMT -5
Which begs the question, who did this and why? This whole thing stinks to high heaven and it has since Guilliani was running around Ukraine with known Russian agents looking for dirt on Hunter. Ask the DOJ. Oh wait, they closed the case that you’re referring without any charges. Prosecutors: Giuliani won’t be charged over Ukraine-related actionswww.politico.com/news/2022/11/14/giuliani-ukraine-fbi-trump-00066840Keep hope alive. The truth is out there… The truth is that your whole Hunter Biden story has been full of holes since the beginning. I mean finding out that the main witness, a guy named Smirnoff, has been arrested for passing on false information from his Russian handlers was bad enough but now we’re learning that text messages were ‘fabricated’.
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Post by pickle20 on May 1, 2024 9:55:17 GMT -5
This story has made both sides look like idiots.
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