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Post by upstream on Feb 10, 2024 12:14:59 GMT -5
If a MAGA runs against him in the primary he’ll lose.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Feb 10, 2024 12:59:20 GMT -5
Could be interesting unless people vote like EY and can't have an R in office. That's not what I said. Do not misrepresent my position. I said that with the possibility of a second Trump presidency, I do not want the Republicans to control the Senate. With other Republicans or with Democrats (unless they produce their own Trump) I can vote on a candidate's merits, and in such a situation an (R) might well get my vote (and several have). It's just that, right now, Trump owns the Republicans. Until that changes, it is foolhardy to let them near the levers of power. Even non-Trump supporting Republicans must admit he controls that party at this time. Likely he will until he dies (he does not strike me as the sort who would retire). And if Trump is able to leave the Republicans to one of his loathsome sons, then they're a dead party. That... is up to their leadership, and their constituency. So... if you don't support Trump, make sure Republican politicians understand that at the ballot box, Republican voters.
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 17:07:17 GMT -5
Now I am really conflicted. I like Hogan but I'm liking Trone's "take no corporate money" stance. Plus Trone gave us Total Wine, which is like an adult candy store. Trone can afford a "take no corporate money" stance because, well, the adult candy store is undoubtedly very profitable. Hogan didn't impress me as a sellout during his governorship. While I recognize the larger opportunities as a Senator, I'm inclined to trust his past performance. Now, that siad, I want to read his planned policies before I go get a bumper sticker. Hey, and while your at it, any possibility that you might have Trumps planned policies hanging around someplace? 😉
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 17:09:11 GMT -5
I will vote for him for Senate. So you are voting to give the GQP more leverage and possibly tfg as well?
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 17:19:30 GMT -5
Could be interesting unless people vote like EY and can't have an R in office. That's not what I said. Do not misrepresent my position. I said that with the possibility of a second Trump presidency, I do not want the Republicans to control the Senate. With other Republicans or with Democrats (unless they produce their own Trump) I can vote on a candidate's merits, and in such a situation an (R) might well get my vote (and several have). It's just that, right now, Trump owns the Republicans. Until that changes, it is foolhardy to let them near the levers of power. Even non-Trump supporting Republicans must admit he controls that party at this time. Likely he will until he dies (he does not strike me as the sort who would retire). And if Trump is able to leave the Republicans to one of his loathsome sons, then they're a dead party. That... is up to their leadership, and their constituency. So... if you don't support Trump, make sure Republican politicians understand that at the ballot box, Republican voters. I am completely with you on this one EY. Like you I have voted for R's and D's at all levels. BEFORE TRUMP AND THE GQP. And like you I am NOT going to give he or them any additional power till such time that....as they say..... they actually get their shxt together and demonstrate (for a long time) that they can be trusted. Old saying Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.That ain't happening with my selection of candidates.
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Post by ishmael on Feb 10, 2024 17:41:39 GMT -5
Trone can afford a "take no corporate money" stance because, well, the adult candy store is undoubtedly very profitable. Hogan didn't impress me as a sellout during his governorship. While I recognize the larger opportunities as a Senator, I'm inclined to trust his past performance. Now, that siad, I want to read his planned policies before I go get a bumper sticker. Hey, and while your at it, any possibility that you might have Trumps planned policies hanging around someplace? 😉 One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but do prattle on.
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Post by ishmael on Feb 10, 2024 17:45:56 GMT -5
That's not what I said. Do not misrepresent my position. I said that with the possibility of a second Trump presidency, I do not want the Republicans to control the Senate. With other Republicans or with Democrats (unless they produce their own Trump) I can vote on a candidate's merits, and in such a situation an (R) might well get my vote (and several have). It's just that, right now, Trump owns the Republicans. Until that changes, it is foolhardy to let them near the levers of power. Even non-Trump supporting Republicans must admit he controls that party at this time. Likely he will until he dies (he does not strike me as the sort who would retire). And if Trump is able to leave the Republicans to one of his loathsome sons, then they're a dead party. That... is up to their leadership, and their constituency. So... if you don't support Trump, make sure Republican politicians understand that at the ballot box, Republican voters. I am completely with you on this one EY. Like you I have voted for R's and D's at all levels. BEFORE TRUMP AND THE GQP. And like you I am NOT going to give he or them any additional power till such time that....as they say..... they actually get their shxt together and demonstrate (for a long time) that they can be trusted. Old saying Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.That ain't happening with my selection of candidates. So, IOW, you are so hateful of Republicans, that you have already decided you won't vote Hogan, without having heard a single policy statement. Indeed, the very thing Republicans need to limit the political power of Trump supporters, you will not provide, simply because he has an (R) after his name.
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Post by microg on Feb 10, 2024 18:28:41 GMT -5
He flooded TV with ads starting last fall. Now everyone knows who he is. Hogan was around for 8 yrs, so everyone knows who he is. Could be interesting unless people vote like EY and can't have an R in office. A lot of the R's I know didn't like him as governor and called him a RINO You are right about that. Hogan disappointed people on both the left and the right and that's when I knew he was doing a good job. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time.
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Post by summer23 on Feb 10, 2024 18:48:08 GMT -5
I will vote for him for Senate. So you are voting to give the GQP more leverage and possibly tfg as well? Could you use words, instead of abbreviations, when asking a question? Thank you.
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 18:48:46 GMT -5
Hey, and while your at it, any possibility that you might have Trumps planned policies hanging around someplace? 😉 One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but do prattle on. Now, that siad, (sic) I want to read his planned policies before I go get a bumper sticker.
Ohhh wait. I guess I misspoke, you aren't supporting or voting for Trumpty Dumpty. Right? A simple yes or no is suffice.
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 18:54:57 GMT -5
So you are voting to give the GQP more leverage and possibly tfg as well? Could you use words, instead of abbreviations, when asking a question? Thank you. You are kidding me right? Here I'll help you. GQP
English Etymology Blend of GOP + QAnon. The GOP stands for "Grand Old Party", the Republican Party of the United States of America, a conservative political party. The usage of "Q" refers to Republican politicians either supporting the QAnon conspiracy theories, or becoming closer to extremism and fascism, represented by the more militant members of the QAnon groups. Proper noun GQP (US politics, slang, derogatory) The Republican Party, especially politicians and members who align themselves with militant extremism. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/GQPSLANG DICTIONARY TFG
tfg [ tee-ef-jee ] WHAT DOES TFG STAND FOR? TFG is an abbreviation that stands for “The Former Guy.” TFG is specifically used to refer to former US President Donald Trump as a way to avoid mentioning him by name in online posts. TFG is typically used by people who oppose Trump to indicate disrespect for him, prevent additional attention, and avoid responses from his supporters. www.dictionary.com/e/slang/tfg/
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Post by ishmael on Feb 10, 2024 19:09:43 GMT -5
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, but do prattle on. Now, that siad, (sic) I want to read his planned policies before I go get a bumper sticker.
Ohhh wait. I guess I misspoke, you aren't supporting or voting for Trumpty Dumpty. Right? A simple yes or no is suffice. Guido2, thanks for pointing out what is obviously a typo. You can bet I'll be returning that favor. Not sure who Trumpty Dumpty is. Judging by your demonstrated level of maturity, I assume you mean Trump. I will say once again what I have posted more times than you can count, which is probably no more than 3 or 4, I will not and have never voted for either Trump or the other cognitively failing candidate, Biden.
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Post by guido2 on Feb 10, 2024 20:10:40 GMT -5
Now, that siad, (sic) I want to read his planned policies before I go get a bumper sticker.
Ohhh wait. I guess I misspoke, you aren't supporting or voting for Trumpty Dumpty. Right? A simple yes or no is suffice. Guido2, thanks for pointing out what is obviously a typo. You can bet I'll be returning that favor. Not sure who Trumpty Dumpty is. Judging by your demonstrated level of maturity, I assume you mean Trump. I will say once again what I have posted more times than you can count, which is probably no more than 3 or 4, I will not and have never voted for either Trump or the other cognitively failing candidate, Biden. Well damn, now it is clear. OK, so you are always siding with the dark side (it seems) but reject the leader of the dark side. Thinking about it more ...... you didn't vote for tfg nor Biden..... Did you vote in either primary? Ohhhh wait...... so that means you didn't...... probably for the last 4 cycles. That's correct?
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Post by mrsmlh on Feb 10, 2024 20:42:53 GMT -5
A lot of the R's I know didn't like him as governor and called him a RINO You are right about that. Hogan disappointed people on both the left and the right and that's when I knew he was doing a good job. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time. Yes, totally agree with you. I really liked him because a lot of D,s and R,s didn’t
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Post by stevez51 on Feb 11, 2024 8:48:38 GMT -5
A lot of the R's I know didn't like him as governor and called him a RINO You are right about that. Hogan disappointed people on both the left and the right and that's when I knew he was doing a good job. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time. Hogan's problem was a D dominated state. After each legislative session he'd be handed a stack of bill to sign. He'd veto the ones he thought were wrong but knew he'd be overridden by the D majority. He removed a lot of O'Malley's doings which were unpopular with most MDer's.
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Post by mrsmlh on Feb 11, 2024 10:45:38 GMT -5
You are right about that. Hogan disappointed people on both the left and the right and that's when I knew he was doing a good job. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time. Hogan's problem was a D dominated state. After each legislative session he'd be handed a stack of bill to sign. He'd veto the ones he thought were wrong but knew he'd be overridden by the D majority. He removed a lot of O'Malley's doings which were unpopular with most MDer's. Amazing you should think that since he was elected to two terms by those Democrats. Hogan was liked by the Democrats a lot more than he was liked by the Republicans.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Feb 11, 2024 12:12:08 GMT -5
So, IOW, you are so hateful of Republicans, that you have already decided you won't vote Hogan, without having heard a single policy statement. Indeed, the very thing Republicans need to limit the political power of Trump supporters, you will not provide, simply because he has an (R) after his name. The Republicans do not want to limit the power of Trump, they want to expand it. It is self-delusional of you to pretend differently. Nikki Haley lost to "none of the above", ferpetesake!
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Post by ishmael on Feb 11, 2024 12:23:14 GMT -5
So, IOW, you are so hateful of Republicans, that you have already decided you won't vote Hogan, without having heard a single policy statement. Indeed, the very thing Republicans need to limit the political power of Trump supporters, you will not provide, simply because he has an (R) after his name. The Republicans do not want to limit the power of Trump, they want to expand it. It is self-delusional of you to pretend differently. Nikki Haley lost to "none of the above", ferpetesake! It's not a question of whether "Republican " voters want to limit the power of Trump. The question is whether MD voters want to limit the power of Trump.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Feb 11, 2024 12:29:05 GMT -5
It's not a question of whether "Republican " voters want to limit the power of Trump. The question is whether MD voters want to limit the power of Trump. We can't limit his power, when the national Republican party is his. It isn't a realistic goal. *Republicans* have to first repudiate him before they can rationally expect help from others. And... denying them a Senator does limit their power, and therefore his. That is my goal.
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Post by ishmael on Feb 11, 2024 12:33:42 GMT -5
It's not a question of whether "Republican " voters want to limit the power of Trump. The question is whether MD voters want to limit the power of Trump. We can't limit his power, when the national Republican party is his. It isn't a realistic goal. *Republicans* have to first repudiate him before they can rationally expect help from others. And... denying them a Senator does limit their power, and therefore his. That is my goal. What do you think an election of a non-MAGA Republican is but a direct repudiation of Trump?
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Post by microg on Feb 11, 2024 14:04:23 GMT -5
So you are voting to give the GQP more leverage and possibly tfg as well? Could you use words, instead of abbreviations, when asking a question? Thank you. IWTTDTBIMBH4MTDS
I will try to do this but it may be hard for me to do so.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Feb 11, 2024 14:43:13 GMT -5
What do you think an election of a non-MAGA Republican is but a direct repudiation of Trump? I ask myself this: how would Hogan vote if made a senator? Inasmuch as the party controls campaign funds, he would vote as McConnell (or his successor) tells him to: pro-Trump. So, no.
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Post by stevez51 on Feb 11, 2024 14:50:54 GMT -5
Hogan's problem was a D dominated state. After each legislative session he'd be handed a stack of bill to sign. He'd veto the ones he thought were wrong but knew he'd be overridden by the D majority. He removed a lot of O'Malley's doings which were unpopular with most MDer's. Amazing you should think that since he was elected to two terms by those Democrats. Hogan was liked by the Democrats a lot more than he was liked by the Republicans. He was liked because for one, he wasn't O'Malley and two, he removed many of his EO's. Rain tax, toll increases, etc. Then he held the line on tax increases. Because he went against what Trump wanted it angered many R's.
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Post by ishmael on Feb 11, 2024 14:53:41 GMT -5
What do you think an election of a non-MAGA Republican is but a direct repudiation of Trump? I ask myself this: how would Hogan vote if made a senator? Inasmuch as the party controls campaign funds, he would vote as McConnell (or his successor) tells him to: pro-Trump. So, no. I doubt that would be the case, but hey, what you are posting fits with your simplistic "all republicans are evil" bias.
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Post by mrsmlh on Feb 11, 2024 16:31:56 GMT -5
Amazing you should think that since he was elected to two terms by those Democrats. Hogan was liked by the Democrats a lot more than he was liked by the Republicans. He was liked because for one, he wasn't O'Malley and two, he removed many of his EO's. Rain tax, toll increases, etc. Then he held the line on tax increases. Because he went against what Trump wanted it angered many R's. So you admit that you statement that his problem was the MD D's was false.
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Post by stevez51 on Feb 11, 2024 18:29:45 GMT -5
He was liked because for one, he wasn't O'Malley and two, he removed many of his EO's. Rain tax, toll increases, etc. Then he held the line on tax increases. Because he went against what Trump wanted it angered many R's. So you admit that you statement that his problem was the MD D's was false. The govt D's that pass the bills. The voter D's liked he undid some of O'Malley.
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Post by guido2 on Feb 11, 2024 19:25:28 GMT -5
You are right about that. Hogan disappointed people on both the left and the right and that's when I knew he was doing a good job. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but never all the people all of the time. Hogan's problem was a D dominated state. After each legislative session he'd be handed a stack of bill to sign. He'd veto the ones he thought were wrong but knew he'd be overridden by the D majority. He removed a lot of O'Malley's doings which were unpopular with most MDer's. Yup. Totally agree with your post. However, at least for my vote. If not for the fact that he might win, which in turn would give the GOP another vote. I'd vote for him in a heart beat..... an NY second. But given the circumstances, now way.
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Post by mrsmlh on Feb 11, 2024 20:45:36 GMT -5
So you admit that you statement that his problem was the MD D's was false. The govt D's that pass the bills. The voter D's liked he undid some of O'Malley. So which is it: your first post: "He removed a lot of O'Malley's doings which were unpopular with most MDer's. your second post: "The voter D's liked he undid some of O'Malley." Either the voter D's liked him or he was unpopular with most D's - he could not be both.
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Post by pickle20 on Feb 12, 2024 7:17:25 GMT -5
Hogan is probably the last Republican I could vote for and not feel like I just bathed in pig slop.
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Post by alienrace on Feb 12, 2024 8:54:34 GMT -5
Whether Hogan is a "rino" or not, he'd still get Republican votes over Democrat Trone as they certainly wouldn't vote for Trone, assuming they come out to the polls.
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