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Post by Ranger John on Apr 26, 2024 12:12:43 GMT -5
If they were election deniers you would be defending their right to speak their minds. These protesters are free to speak their minds. What they aren't free to do is trespass when told not to assemble without a permit. It's funny... after 3 years of the board left giving me crap for calling J6 a riot, not an insurrection, and arguing that is somehow evidence that I support riots... all of a sudden they've switched gears to equating the campus demonstrations to J6. Which they think the board right supported, and that they claim was an insurrection. The Babylon Bee has been having trouble writing satire that doesn't eventually become real life. The logic pretzel SF and Z have tied themselves into is somehow both ludicrously funny and terribly sad at the same time.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 26, 2024 12:16:07 GMT -5
*nods* Gas masks seem to be a necessity when "progressives" gather. Because your thuggish side requires it. My "thuggish side" won't be anywhere near Chicago during the Democrat Presidential Nominating Riots. It will be Democrats inside doing their convention. Democrats outside probably setting up autonomous zones and doing other insurrectiony things. Overwhelmingly Democrat Chicagoans trying to survive the Democrat-fueled violence. And it will all be overseen by a Democrat Mayor, Governor and President.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 26, 2024 12:16:58 GMT -5
Not clear that they needed a permit per Gov. Abbot's 2019 rules: If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not.
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Post by augustwest on Apr 26, 2024 12:17:36 GMT -5
I agree. Even if they didn't have a permit, unless they were being violent or destroying property, the State police shouldn't have been brought in. I agree with the ACLU that it should be a last resort in the event of threats to public safety. The following may sound like I am making a joke, but I am not. My gut feeling is that Abbott was ticked about people dancing. 👨🦽I wonder what he was like a person before the tree fell on him. Was he always such a bitter, self serving, hate filled J.O.? That kind of "humor" has not place here
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 26, 2024 12:18:10 GMT -5
These protesters are free to speak their minds. What they aren't free to do is trespass when told not to assemble without a permit. It's funny... after 3 years of the board left giving me crap for calling J6 a riot, not an insurrection, and arguing that is somehow evidence that I support riots... all of a sudden they've switched gears to equating the campus demonstrations to J6. Which they think the board right supported, and that they claim was an insurrection. The Babylon Bee has been having trouble writing satire that doesn't eventually become real life. The logic pretzel SF and Z have tied themselves into is somehow both ludicrously funny and terribly sad at the same time. No, it's just your raging cognitive dissonance and hyper-partisan bias that we're giving you crap for. You've got your head so far up your own ass you can't tell that you've lapped yourself in the race to downplay an insurrection where 140 police were beaten and several people died while trying to make peaceful protests by college kids look worse than an Antifa/BLM/Right-Wing Terrorist street fight where a girl was murdered. Soulflower posted the law Abbott himself signed. Those students had a right to be there, which is why no one has gone back in to chase them off since. So go ahead and keep cheering fascism. We expect nothing less of you.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 26, 2024 12:18:35 GMT -5
Not clear that they needed a permit per Gov. Abbot's 2019 rules: If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not. Link they were told they needed a permit?
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Post by augustwest on Apr 26, 2024 12:20:11 GMT -5
Not clear that they needed a permit per Gov. Abbot's 2019 rules: If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not. The first priority should have been safety. Causing a riot could have been catastrophic and they almost did exactly that
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 26, 2024 12:22:02 GMT -5
If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not. The first priority should have been safety. Causing a riot could have been catastrophic and they almost did exactly that Sending in the Uvalde Pant-Pissers PD to rough up some college kids could have very well started a riot.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 26, 2024 12:25:33 GMT -5
If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not. Link they were told they needed a permit? Re-read what I said.
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 26, 2024 12:26:57 GMT -5
Because your thuggish side requires it. My "thuggish side" won't be anywhere near Chicago during the Democrat Presidential Nominating Riots. It will be Democrats inside doing their convention. Democrats outside probably setting up autonomous zones and doing other insurrectiony things. Overwhelmingly Democrat Chicagoans trying to survive the Democrat-fueled violence. And it will all be overseen by a Democrat Mayor, Governor and President. Your side will be there just like it was the last time.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 12:28:39 GMT -5
Not clear that they needed a permit per Gov. Abbot's 2019 rules: If the university told them they need a permit, or otherwise could not assemble, they need to respect that, which clearly, they did not. The university was wrong to do what they did given the lack of reason to do so. That's why the charges have been dropped for all who were arrested. Free Speech applies even to speech that you dislike.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 26, 2024 12:40:32 GMT -5
Link they were told they needed a permit? Re-read what I said. If if if if if if
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 12:47:52 GMT -5
You'll never guess who is now being blamed for these protests all over the country... George Soros is paying student radicals who are fueling nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protestsStill an improvement from claiming 'Iran and Hamas' are paying the protesters. It boggles my mind how some people ignore the obvious reasons why the protests are happening. People don't want to support a country that is committing crimes against humanity. It's not a coincidence that this stuff is happening after Congress just approved $20 billion more for Israel.
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Post by michiganjoe on Apr 26, 2024 13:00:49 GMT -5
Not a good look for Abbott.
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Post by ivanbalt on Apr 26, 2024 13:27:34 GMT -5
You'll never guess who is now being blamed for these protests all over the country... George Soros is paying student radicals who are fueling nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protestsStill an improvement from claiming 'Iran and Hamas' are paying the protesters. It boggles my mind how some people ignore the obvious reasons why the protests are happening. People don't want to support a country that is committing crimes against humanity. It's not a coincidence that this stuff is happening after Congress just approved $20 billion more for Israel. The establishment never wants to understand why people protest against war, police brutality, economic inequality, etc.
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 26, 2024 13:29:23 GMT -5
You'll never guess who is now being blamed for these protests all over the country... George Soros is paying student radicals who are fueling nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protestsStill an improvement from claiming 'Iran and Hamas' are paying the protesters. It boggles my mind how some people ignore the obvious reasons why the protests are happening. People don't want to support a country that is committing crimes against humanity. It's not a coincidence that this stuff is happening after Congress just approved $20 billion more for Israel. The Right recognizes money as the sole motivating force for anything. When you lack a soul that's what fills the void.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 26, 2024 13:38:07 GMT -5
The following may sound like I am making a joke, but I am not. My gut feeling is that Abbott was ticked about people dancing. 👨🦽I wonder what he was like a person before the tree fell on him. Was he always such a bitter, self serving, hate filled J.O.? That kind of "humor" has not place here Still doesn't detract from my last two sentences. Was he always a J.O. ? Or did he start hating the world after the accident. IOWs is this guys head all messed up and very much like TFG should be no where near the levers of power.
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Post by augustwest on Apr 26, 2024 13:52:11 GMT -5
My "thuggish side" won't be anywhere near Chicago during the Democrat Presidential Nominating Riots. It will be Democrats inside doing their convention. Democrats outside probably setting up autonomous zones and doing other insurrectiony things. Overwhelmingly Democrat Chicagoans trying to survive the Democrat-fueled violence. And it will all be overseen by a Democrat Mayor, Governor and President. Your side will be there just like it was the last time. His side: www.texasobserver.org/homegrown-neo-fascist-movement-marches-in-austin/
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 13:59:58 GMT -5
You'll never guess who is now being blamed for these protests all over the country... George Soros is paying student radicals who are fueling nationwide explosion of Israel-hating protestsStill an improvement from claiming 'Iran and Hamas' are paying the protesters. It boggles my mind how some people ignore the obvious reasons why the protests are happening. People don't want to support a country that is committing crimes against humanity. It's not a coincidence that this stuff is happening after Congress just approved $20 billion more for Israel. The Right recognizes money as the sole motivating force for anything. When you lack a soul that's what fills the void. Exactly. Also, Beer money isn't worth getting assaulted by the police. I trust that the people risking their bodies and their careers are doing so because they believe in what they're fighting for.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 26, 2024 14:43:13 GMT -5
I trust that the people risking their bodies and their careers are doing so because they believe in what they're fighting for. Well, some maybe. A lot of people are just lost youth, looking for a purpose and cause and this is their outlet. Some just get indoctrinated (or pressured) (witnessed that firsthand a few times, sadly). Then there are others who virtue signal to coverup their inner demons and feelings. That last one I've seen many, many times. Both from friends and family on the far right, and far left. I recently discovered a long-time friend (pretty far left these days) was actually a bit of a racist after a little alcohol induced slip up.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 26, 2024 15:29:16 GMT -5
I saw this last night. It is so bad that I wasn't sure that it was authentic.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 15:42:41 GMT -5
I saw this last night. It is so bad that I wasn't sure that it was authentic. I've heard worse from members of Congress about Gaza. People can say "Nuke Gaza" all they want and never be forced to apologize unfortunately. Republican congressman suggests nuking GazaThe student referenced in the NYT article has since apologized FWIW. We've all said things in fits of anger that we regret later. The problem is he said it on social media so it lives on the internet forever. In contrast, members of Congress don't have enough shame to apologize for calling for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 15:44:37 GMT -5
I trust that the people risking their bodies and their careers are doing so because they believe in what they're fighting for. Well, some maybe. A lot of people are just lost youth, looking for a purpose and cause and this is their outlet. Some just get indoctrinated (or pressured) (witnessed that firsthand a few times, sadly). Then there are others who virtue signal to coverup their inner demons and feelings. That last one I've seen many, many times. Both from friends and family on the far right, and far left. I recently discovered a long-time friend (pretty far left these days) was actually a bit of a racist after a little alcohol induced slip up. I think you should give young people more credit. They could be spending their time partying but they're using it to peacefully engage in politics. I was an activist myself 20 years ago but haven't had as much time to stay involved with protesting and organizing since gaining a bunch of grownup responsibilities. Eventually these people will graduate and be too preoccupied with work and other responsibilities to stay in activism. But some I assume will go on to have careers in politics or the media. And FWIW, it's not just young people attending these demonstrations. Lots of middle aged and older people are standing with these activists simply because they too dislike what we're witnessing happen in Gaza.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 26, 2024 16:42:40 GMT -5
I saw this last night. It is so bad that I wasn't sure that it was authentic. I've heard worse from members of Congress about Gaza. People can say "Nuke Gaza" all they want and never be forced to apologize unfortunately. The student referenced in the NYT article has since apologized FWIW. We've all said things in fits of anger that we regret later. The problem is he said it on social media so it lives on the internet forever. In contrast, members of Congress don't have enough shame to apologize for calling for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The whataboutism is strong in this one.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 16:49:26 GMT -5
I've heard worse from members of Congress about Gaza. People can say "Nuke Gaza" all they want and never be forced to apologize unfortunately. The student referenced in the NYT article has since apologized FWIW. We've all said things in fits of anger that we regret later. The problem is he said it on social media so it lives on the internet forever. In contrast, members of Congress don't have enough shame to apologize for calling for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The whataboutism is strong in this one. It’s actually a weak whataboutism. Unless you think 20-something College students are expected to be more polite than members of Congress. I expect more maturity from our lawmakers than I do powerless activists on college campuses or social media.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 26, 2024 17:22:25 GMT -5
The whataboutism is strong in this one. It’s actually a weak whataboutism. Unless you think 20-something College students are expected to be more polite than members of Congress. I expect more maturity from our lawmakers than I do powerless activists on college campuses or social media. Polite? Threatening death to 'zionists' is more than just impolite. This is a thread about activism on college campuses and some of legitimate criticism that have been leveled at their tactics and messaging.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 17:30:51 GMT -5
It’s actually a weak whataboutism. Unless you think 20-something College students are expected to be more polite than members of Congress. I expect more maturity from our lawmakers than I do powerless activists on college campuses or social media. Polite? Threatening death to 'zionists' is more than just impolite.
He apologized for his dumb comment. In contrast, the members of Congress that I referenced have not apologized nor have they suffered any consequences.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 26, 2024 17:42:16 GMT -5
Polite? Threatening death to 'zionists' is more than just impolite.
He apologized for his dumb comment. His comment is illustrative of a bigger problem with this movement that many of us have been pointing out since October 8th
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Post by soulflower on Apr 26, 2024 17:47:34 GMT -5
Back to the topic, great coverage of the events at UT from a local reporter
It seems almost certain that a decision was made to confront the students before there was any evidence that they were breaking laws or endangering public safety.
Gov. Abbott deserves the negative PR.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 26, 2024 17:49:22 GMT -5
LMAO. They have nothing to do with "my side." Should they show up in Chicago it would be to show solidarity with the rest of their pro-Hamas allies that are the subject of this thread.
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