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Post by soulflower on Jan 24, 2024 15:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 24, 2024 15:35:46 GMT -5
Former Harvard President, Larry Summers is upset that Harvard appointed a Jewish scholar who has criticized Israel in the past to run Harvard's anti-semitism task force. Larry Summers blasts Harvard over antisemitism: ‘I have lost confidence’Summers' criticism reveals that some of this stuff is about expanding the definition of anti-semitism to protect Israel from criticisms that some view as 'unfair'. Derek Penslar, who is Jewish and a prominent scholar in Jewish studies, can't honestly be viewed as a bad faith critic of Israel but that hasn't stopped some from accusing him of being one.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 17, 2024 20:52:16 GMT -5
Columbia University tonight.
20 or so years ago, I was participating in anti-Iraq war conferences at Columbia U. These events are far bigger and better organized.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 18, 2024 21:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on Apr 18, 2024 21:12:02 GMT -5
This will just stir up resentment and hatred.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 18, 2024 21:27:43 GMT -5
This will just stir up resentment and hatred. I have mixed feelings on the topic. I've been to jail four times for civil disobedience. Actions have consequences and CD should not be viewed as a game or a way to get laid or be cool. On a college campus it is the job of the faculty and administrators to foster an environment for the free exchange of ideas and debate but... These kids have a right to express their views but other students also have a right and an expectation to get an education. They're going hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to attend classes and learn from professors and take advantage of the resources and facilities that a world class university has to offer. At what point do their rights to get this education become more important or more valuable than some other kid's decision to prevent that from happening under the guise of free speech?
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Post by soulflower on Apr 18, 2024 21:39:21 GMT -5
This will just stir up resentment and hatred. I have mixed feelings on the topic. I've been to jail four times for civil disobedience. Actions have consequences and CD should not be viewed as a game or a way to get laid or be cool. On a college campus it is the job of the faculty and administrators to foster an environment for the free exchange of ideas and debate but... These kids have a right to express their views but other students also have a right and an expectation to get an education. They're going hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to attend classes and learn from professors and take advantage of the resources and facilities that a world class university has to offer. At what point do their rights to get this education become more important or more valuable than some other kid's decision to prevent that from happening under the guise of free speech? What would you have done if you were attending college at the time of the Holocaust? Would you have protested? Or stayed silent? At the end of the day, regardless of how you feel about the Israel-Palestine issue, these kids believe we’re witnessing a genocide and are using their platforms to speak out. It can’t be business as usual when thousands of child are starving and dozens are being killed every day. So I’m sympathetic to what they’re doing and wish we had as much support back when I attended anti-Iraq war protests at Columbia two decades ago. As for solutions, I believe the school should maybe devote a certain areas of the campus for protesting or free speech and maybe throw the activists a bone by cutting ties with Israel as some other schools have done.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 18, 2024 21:45:51 GMT -5
It’s not just college students. A lot of people are just fed up with what’s happening in Gaza. 28 Google employees just lost their jobs for protesting
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 18, 2024 21:50:21 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings on the topic. I've been to jail four times for civil disobedience. Actions have consequences and CD should not be viewed as a game or a way to get laid or be cool. On a college campus it is the job of the faculty and administrators to foster an environment for the free exchange of ideas and debate but... These kids have a right to express their views but other students also have a right and an expectation to get an education. They're going hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to attend classes and learn from professors and take advantage of the resources and facilities that a world class university has to offer. At what point do their rights to get this education become more important or more valuable than some other kid's decision to prevent that from happening under the guise of free speech? What would you have done if you were attending college at the time of the Holocaust? Would you have protested? Or stayed silent? At the end of the day, regardless of how you feel about the Israel-Palestine issue, these kids believe we’re witnessing a genocide and are using their platforms to speak out. It can’t be business as usual when thousands of child are starving and dozens are being killed every day. So I’m sympathetic to what they’re doing and wish we had as much support back when I attended anti-Iraq war protests at Columbia two decades ago. As for solutions, I believe the school should maybe devote a certain areas of the campus for protesting or free speech and maybe throw the activists a bone by cutting ties with Israel as some other schools have done. I think I have clearly laid out that I have engaged in both protest and civil disobedience on multiple occasions over the last several decades so it is not really clear to me what you're getting at. By the way, comparing this to the Holocaust is pretty darn offensive unless you can start pointing me to cattle cars filled with people rolling across the Jordan Valley
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Post by soulflower on Apr 18, 2024 22:07:02 GMT -5
Genocide is 'pretty darn offensive'.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 20, 2024 16:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 20, 2024 22:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by mrsmlh on Apr 21, 2024 7:44:26 GMT -5
You don't have to imagine that the Israelis are currently doing exactly that to the Palestinians.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 21, 2024 7:54:38 GMT -5
Pro-Israel members of Congress are more scary and offensive than college students
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Post by soulflower on Apr 21, 2024 8:07:52 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 21, 2024 10:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 21, 2024 10:05:19 GMT -5
To criticize Israel is perfectly fine. Harassing Jewish people because you're upset with Israel is unacceptable.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 21, 2024 10:10:50 GMT -5
To criticize Israel is perfectly fine. Harassing Jewish people because you're upset with Israel is unacceptable. Harassing Jewish people, or any other people, who are openly supporting the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, is perfectly fine, IMHO.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 21, 2024 10:17:39 GMT -5
To criticize Israel is perfectly fine. Harassing Jewish people because you're upset with Israel is unacceptable. Literally no one is doing that. Rightwing talking point. In contrast, Jewish students are being harassed or arrested for siding with the pro-Palestine protesters. The real antisemitism is on the Right. The Left dislikes Israel but is not anti-Jewish. People are trying to use Judaism to protect Israel from legit criticism. The playbook is transparent now…
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Post by soulflower on Apr 21, 2024 10:42:33 GMT -5
What Fake Tapper won’t share on his Twitter Jewish students and faculty at Columbia are among the organizers and participants in the protest. Four-in-ten American Jews have a favorable view of the Palestinian people – somewhat lower than the 50% of Americans overall who say the same. Very few Jewish Americans have a favorable opinion of Hamas, which has controlled Gaza, or the Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank (3% and 12%, respectively).
Jewish Americans are divided by party in their views of the Israeli government. Jews who identify as Republicans or lean toward the Republican Party are about twice as likely as Jews who identify as Democrats or lean Democratic to say they have a favorable view of the Israeli government (85% vs. 41%). (Among Jews, 68% identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party and 29% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party.) On the other hand, Jewish Democrats are more likely than Jewish Republicans to say they have a favorable view of the Palestinian people (52% vs. 20%) and the Palestinian Authority (14% vs. 9%).
Jewish Americans also differ by age in their views of the people and leadership involved in the conflict. Compared with older U.S. Jews, younger Jews express less favorable attitudes toward the Israeli people and more favorable views of the Palestinian people. Younger Jews also hold somewhat more positive views of the Palestinian Authority.
When it comes to the Israeli government, there are age differences among Jewish Americans, as there are among American overall. For example, 45% of Jews under 35 have a favorable view of the Israeli government, while 53% have an unfavorable view. Jews ages 50 to 64 are the only age group in which a majority express a favorable opinion of the Israeli government (64%).
www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/
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Post by soulflower on Apr 21, 2024 19:59:32 GMT -5
CNN - White House condemns calls for violence against JewsThere's a lot of nuance in the campus pro-Palestine protests around the country (Jewish students are on both sides of the issue. Pro-Palestine and Pro-Israel) and antisemitic incidents are more likely to be the exception than the rule based on everything I know about these events. Students and faculty members organize the events but they can't control non-students or the general public when they show up to their events. Like any other protest, there may be one or more bad apples but that usually doesn't represent the entire bunch. Reminds me of how Republicans tried to frame all BLM protests in 2020 as 'violent'. Sad and self-defeating on Biden's part to play into rightwing talking points about young liberal activists. These are people he needs to show up for him in November. Lastly, there is no excuse for bigoted attacks on anyone. The individual or individuals responsible for verbal or physical attacks should be identified and held accountable but a few isolated incidents shouldn't be used to discredit the movement led by these brave young people.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 0:08:38 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 6:02:39 GMT -5
Yale University
NYU
Others
It keeps growing
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 8:53:41 GMT -5
Small encampment at the University of Maryland
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 8:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by ishmael on Apr 22, 2024 9:01:22 GMT -5
Yale University NYU Others It keeps growing I'd expel these folks before the paint on their sign dried.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:01:24 GMT -5
Imagine how bad things have to be for college students to stop partying, spend the last few weeks of their school year organizing protests, and potentially being arrested or suspended from school. What they're doing is morally right given the crimes against humanity being committed with our tax dollars in Gaza. I'm proud of these young folks. Nearly 200 bodies found in mass grave at hospital in Gaza’s Khan Younis
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Post by ishmael on Apr 22, 2024 9:12:52 GMT -5
Imagine how bad things have to be for college students to stop partying, spend the last few weeks of their school year organizing protests, and potentially being arrested or suspended from school. What they're doing is morally right given the crimes against humanity being committed with our tax dollars in Gaza. I'm proud of these young folks. Nearly 200 bodies found in mass grave at hospital in Gaza’s Khan Younis And the arbiter of moral rectitude has spoken. I wonder how many of these "morally right" folks will use the taxes paid by hard working Jewish people to pay off the college loans they asked for, so that they can disturb the safety and study of others.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 22, 2024 9:13:20 GMT -5
Imagine how bad things have to be for college students to stop partying, spend the last few weeks of their school year organizing protests, and potentially being arrested or suspended from school. Well, looks a lot like mental illness to me. Seems to be a lot of that going around.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 22, 2024 9:14:25 GMT -5
Also, these folks shouting "Death to America" - well, GTFO then. Now you're an enemy of the state.
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