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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:16:18 GMT -5
Imagine how bad things have to be for college students to stop partying, spend the last few weeks of their school year organizing protests, and potentially being arrested or suspended from school. What they're doing is morally right given the crimes against humanity being committed with our tax dollars in Gaza. I'm proud of these young folks. Nearly 200 bodies found in mass grave at hospital in Gaza’s Khan Younis And the arbiter of moral rectitude has spoken. I wonder how many of these "morally right" folks will use the taxes paid by hard working Jewish people to pay off the college loans they asked for, so that they can disturb the safety and study of others. No comment on mass murder of civilians? Interesting. Israel is a country. Judaism is a religion. Most American Jews are Americans first. Associating all Jews with Israel is not Kosher. Opposing crimes against humanity has nothing to do with religion and it's surprising to see pro-life people defend Israel killing mostly women and children.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:18:17 GMT -5
Also, these folks shouting "Death to America" - well, GTFO then. Now you're an enemy of the state. Do you have any proof that those people are college students? There are lots of random people who show up to these protests. Like any other protest, some people show up with bad intentions.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 22, 2024 9:23:19 GMT -5
Imagine how bad things have to be for college students to stop partying, spend the last few weeks of their school year organizing protests, and potentially being arrested or suspended from school. Well, looks a lot like mental illness to me. Seems to be a lot of that going around. Mental illness? Come on, man.
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Post by kandace on Apr 22, 2024 9:25:38 GMT -5
Do you have any proof that those people are college students? There are lots of random people who show up to these protests. Like any other protest, some people show up with bad intentions. Very true. And as shocking as it may be to egomaniacal denizens of the U.S. of A, slaughtering, injuring, and displacing multi-millions of people for decades does stir up understandable hatred. We made those people our enemies before they were our enemies.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 22, 2024 9:28:33 GMT -5
Also, these folks shouting "Death to America" - well, GTFO then. Now you're an enemy of the state. Do you have any proof that those people are college students? There are lots of random people who show up to these protests. Like any other protest, some people show up with bad intentions. I said "folks", not "college students". I don't care what they are. Enemies of the State is what they are or should be considered.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:29:48 GMT -5
Do you have any proof that those people are college students? There are lots of random people who show up to these protests. Like any other protest, some people show up with bad intentions. I said "folks", not "college students". I don't care what they are. Enemies of the State is what they are or should be considered. ^Another person who dislikes the First Amendment.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 22, 2024 9:30:05 GMT -5
Mental illness? Come on, man. Ok, well throwing your future away so you can virtue signal, if not mental illness, how about "stupidity".
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:31:05 GMT -5
In case anyone was interested, here are the demands of the Columbia U activists: x.com/jvplive/status/1781742976273895696Some of the demands are not likely to happen but the divestment thing could be implemented. Many forget that divestment was a big part of the political pressure that led to ending Apartheid in South Africa.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 22, 2024 9:31:06 GMT -5
Mental illness? Come on, man. Ok, well throwing your future away so you can virtue signal, if not mental illness, how about "stupidity". They're exercising their 1A rights. Call them stupid or mentally ill if it makes you feel better. Generations of the past did similar things to protest things they disagreed with.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 22, 2024 9:33:35 GMT -5
^Another person who dislikes the First Amendment. I'm all for free speech. I'm also for living with consequences of idiotic actions. At the very least these efftards need to be on watchlists.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 22, 2024 9:34:56 GMT -5
And the arbiter of moral rectitude has spoken. I wonder how many of these "morally right" folks will use the taxes paid by hard working Jewish people to pay off the college loans they asked for, so that they can disturb the safety and study of others. No comment on mass murder of civilians? Interesting. Israel is a country. Judaism is a religion. Most American Jews are Americans first. Associating all Jews with Israel is not Kosher. Opposing crimes against humanity has nothing to do with religion and it's surprising to see pro-life people defend Israel killing mostly women and children. I am not defending Israel. I am defending the rights of students who do not participate in these disruptions to go about their studies in peace. And your weak attempt to conflate the abortion argument with these protests is noted with the contempt it deserves.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 9:38:36 GMT -5
^Another person who dislikes the First Amendment. I'm all for free speech. I'm also for living with consequences of idiotic actions. At the very least these efftards need to be on watchlists. I'm sure they're aware that they're risking their academic careers and potential jobs after college. That's why it's courageous. Some of us admire activists risking their careers and their bodies for causes greater than themselves. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLx_IVpakAAN2zN?format=jpg&name=medium) Editor of the Daily Beast:
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Post by soulflower on Apr 22, 2024 14:55:34 GMT -5
The faculty at Columbia has joined the protests
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 22, 2024 23:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 5:40:25 GMT -5
At this point, it’s a morality issue. Either you’re okay with the systematic mass murder of civilians or you’re not okay with it.
Also, history is repeating itself. That’s why pro-Israel groups are terrified about America’s future leaders. A decade or so from now, relations between the US and Israel are unlikely to be as close as we are today.
College students protested South Africa in the 80s. They’re protesting Israel today. The organizers of these protests have strongly condemned acts of antisemitism. Anyone who compares these people to the neo-nazis at Charlottesville is a dishonest hack:
Passover is being observed by protesters at Columbia:
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 7:01:13 GMT -5
At this point, it’s a morality issue. Either you’re okay with the systematic mass murder of civilians or you’re not okay with it. Also, history is repeating itself. That’s why pro-Israel groups are terrified about America’s future leaders. A decade or so from now, relations between the US and Israel are unlikely to be as close as we are today. College students protested South Africa in the 80s. They’re protesting Israel today. The organizers of these protests have strongly condemned acts of antisemitism. Anyone who compares these people to the neo-nazis at Charlottesville is a dishonest hack: Passover is being observed by protesters at Columbia: That's not the binary SF. Hamas engaged in the mass murder of civilians last October. And Hamas' decision to use civilians as shields is the reason so many are being killed now. Hamas is the problem. It has always been the problem. It will continue to be the problem until Israel wipes them out. Supporting Hamas (to include believing their "war crimes" stories) is supporting the mass murder of civilians. Chanting "we are Hamas!" is support of mass murder of civilians. Chanting "from the river to the sea!" is a call for genocide. Hamas has a history of lying about this war, including that time they blew up their own hospital and blamed it on Israel. If you continue to believe them after thar, you're a dupe. Period.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 7:28:36 GMT -5
At this point, it’s a morality issue. Either you’re okay with the systematic mass murder of civilians or you’re not okay with it. Also, history is repeating itself. That’s why pro-Israel groups are terrified about America’s future leaders. A decade or so from now, relations between the US and Israel are unlikely to be as close as we are today. College students protested South Africa in the 80s. They’re protesting Israel today. The organizers of these protests have strongly condemned acts of antisemitism. Anyone who compares these people to the neo-nazis at Charlottesville is a dishonest hack: That's not the binary SF. Hamas engaged in the mass murder of civilians last October. And Hamas' decision to use civilians as shields is the reason so many are being killed now. There are actual photos of Israeli soldiers literally using Palestinian civilians as human shields. I have yet to see any photos of Hamas doing that. Hamas is not responsible for the IDF zip-tying and executing medical staff children in Khans Younis. They’re not responsible for Israel assassinating humanitarian aid workers, including an American citizen. You have to stop making excuses for Israel’s uncivilized actions. This is not the 19th century. Identifying your nation as a “democracy” doesn’t give you a pass anymore for apartheid or genocide. You’re a conservative. I thought you guys believed in personal responsibility? Hamas’ atrocity on Oct 7th doesn’t excuse Israel committing hundreds of atrocities before and after Oct. 7th. All these students and professors want is peace and justice for Palestinians and Israelis. These protests re multi-faith and Jews have been participating in them.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 7:38:13 GMT -5
That's not the binary SF. Hamas engaged in the mass murder of civilians last October. And Hamas' decision to use civilians as shields is the reason so many are being killed now. There are actual photos of Israeli soldiers literally using Palestinian civilians as human shields. I have yet to see any photos of Hamas doing that. Hamas is not responsible for the IDF zip-tying and executing medical staff children in Khans Younis. They’re not responsible for Israel assassinating humanitarian aid workers, including an American citizen. You have to stop making excuses for Israel’s uncivilized actions. This is not the 19th century. Identifying your nation as a “democracy” doesn’t give you a pass anymore for apartheid or genocide. You’re a conservative. I thought you guys believed in personal responsibility? Hamas’ atrocity on Oct 7th doesn’t excuse Israel committing hundreds of atrocities before and after Oct. 7th. All these students and professors want is peace and justice for Palestinians and Israelis. These protests re multi-faith and Jews have been participating in them. No. YOU need to stop making excuses for Hamas. NONE of this would be happening had Hamas not gone on their baby-murdering, corpse-raping rampage in October. Hamas built a HQ under a hospital. Can you not understand that was using civilians as human shields. Hell, they brag about it: All those students and professors want is the destruction of Israel. What do they need to do for you to see it? It used to be people like you would freak out if they put on some khakis, grabbed some tiki torches, and marched while chanting "Jews will not replace us." Now they're setting up autonomous zones and shutting entire universities down. And make no mistake: they might look a little different, but under the headscarves, THEY ARE THE SAME.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 7:45:23 GMT -5
There are actual photos of Israeli soldiers literally using Palestinian civilians as human shields. I have yet to see any photos of Hamas doing that. Hamas is not responsible for the IDF zip-tying and executing medical staff children in Khans Younis. They’re not responsible for Israel assassinating humanitarian aid workers, including an American citizen. You have to stop making excuses for Israel’s uncivilized actions. This is not the 19th century. Identifying your nation as a “democracy” doesn’t give you a pass anymore for apartheid or genocide. You’re a conservative. I thought you guys believed in personal responsibility? Hamas’ atrocity on Oct 7th doesn’t excuse Israel committing hundreds of atrocities before and after Oct. 7th. All these students and professors want is peace and justice for Palestinians and Israelis. These protests re multi-faith and Jews have been participating in them. No. YOU need to stop making excuses for Hamas. NONE of this would be happening had Hamas not gone on their baby-murdering, corpse-raping rampage in October. Hamas built a HQ under a hospital. Can you not understand that was using civilians as human shields. Hell, they brag about it: All those students and professors want is the destruction of Israel. What do they need to do for you to see it? It used to be people like you would freak out if they put on some khakis, grabbed some tiki torches, and marched while chanting "Jews will not replace us." Now they're setting up autonomous zones and shutting entire universities now. And make no mistake: they might look a little different, but under the headscarves, THEY ARE THE SAME. I’ll wait for you to share photos or videos of Hamas using “human shields”. I’ve never seen any actual evidence but I have seen Israeli soldiers use Palestinians as human shields. It’s called the “Neighbor Policy” in Israel. It’s banned but it still happens. I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t care if Israel kills every Hamas leader. I reject all forms of religious extremism. I just want Israel to stop the mass murder of innocent Palestinians. So you can chill out with your dishonest attempts to paint me as “pro-Hamas”. The protesters want peace and equality for all in Israel. Either you’re for equality or you’re against it. This is a simple morality debate.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 7:49:42 GMT -5
No. YOU need to stop making excuses for Hamas. NONE of this would be happening had Hamas not gone on their baby-murdering, corpse-raping rampage in October. Hamas built a HQ under a hospital. Can you not understand that was using civilians as human shields. Hell, they brag about it: All those students and professors want is the destruction of Israel. What do they need to do for you to see it? It used to be people like you would freak out if they put on some khakis, grabbed some tiki torches, and marched while chanting "Jews will not replace us." Now they're setting up autonomous zones and shutting entire universities now. And make no mistake: they might look a little different, but under the headscarves, THEY ARE THE SAME. I’ll wait for you to share photos or videos of Hamas using “human shields”. I’ve never seen any actual evidence but I have seen Israeli soldiers use Palestinians as human shields. It’s called the “Neighbor Policy” in Israel. It’s banned but it still happens. I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t care if Israel kills every Hamas leader. I reject all forms of religious extremism. I just want Israel to stop the mass murder of innocent Palestinians. So you can chill out with your dishonest attempts to paint me as “pro-Hamas”. The protesters want peace and equality for all in Israel. Either you’re for equality or you’re against it. This is a simple morality debate. Hamas's use of human shields has been explained and demonstrated. You're refusal to acknowledge this barbarism IS SUPPORT FOR HAMAS. And your claims that is is a "simple morality debate" while you ignore, excuse and deny Hamas's grossly inhimane and downright evil tactics are embarrassing.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 7:58:21 GMT -5
I’ll wait for you to share photos or videos of Hamas using “human shields”. I’ve never seen any actual evidence but I have seen Israeli soldiers use Palestinians as human shields. It’s called the “Neighbor Policy” in Israel. It’s banned but it still happens. I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t care if Israel kills every Hamas leader. I reject all forms of religious extremism. I just want Israel to stop the mass murder of innocent Palestinians. So you can chill out with your dishonest attempts to paint me as “pro-Hamas”. The protesters want peace and equality for all in Israel. Either you’re for equality or you’re against it. This is a simple morality debate. Hamas's use of human shields has been explained and demonstrated. You're refusal to acknowledge this barbarism IS SUPPORT FOR HAMAS. And your claims that is is a "simple morality debate" while you ignore, excuse and deny Hamas's grossly inhimane and downright evil tactics are embarrassing. ![](https://imemc.org/wp-content/uploads/mar2010/human_sheilds.jpg) Don’t explain, prove it. Ive shared visual evidence of the IDF doing it. If Hamas does it as often as you think, shouldn’t you be able to easily find visual evidence? Gaza is the most surveilled place in to the world. The IDF should easily have hundreds of photos and videos of Hamas using human shields right? At some point you have to realize that you’re spewing propagandistic lies to justify war crimes. See below from an Israeli human rights group: ”Since the beginning of the occupation in 1967, Israeli security forces have repeatedly used Palestinians in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip as human shields, ordering them to perform military tasks that risked their lives. As part of this policy, soldiers have ordered Palestinian civilians to remove suspicious objects from roads, to tell people to come out of their homes so the military can arrest them, to stand in front of soldiers while the latter shoot from behind them, and more. The Palestinian civilians were chosen at random for these tasks, and could not refuse the demand placed on them by armed soldiers.”www.btselem.org/human_shields
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 23, 2024 7:59:46 GMT -5
I’ll wait for you to share photos or videos of Hamas using “human shields”. I’ve never seen any actual evidence but I have seen Israeli soldiers use Palestinians as human shields. It’s called the “Neighbor Policy” in Israel. It’s banned but it still happens. I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t care if Israel kills every Hamas leader. I reject all forms of religious extremism. I just want Israel to stop the mass murder of innocent Palestinians. So you can chill out with your dishonest attempts to paint me as “pro-Hamas”. The protesters want peace and equality for all in Israel. Either you’re for equality or you’re against it. This is a simple morality debate. Hamas's use of human shields has been explained and demonstrated. You're refusal to acknowledge this barbarism IS SUPPORT FOR HAMAS. And your claims that is is a "simple morality debate" while you ignore, excuse and deny Hamas's grossly inhimane and downright evil tactics are embarrassing. What's embarrassing, or should be for you. Is just how far up Israel's arse you are prepared to crawl, and your total support of it's inhumane genocide of the Palestinians
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 8:36:25 GMT -5
Hamas's use of human shields has been explained and demonstrated. You're refusal to acknowledge this barbarism IS SUPPORT FOR HAMAS. And your claims that is is a "simple morality debate" while you ignore, excuse and deny Hamas's grossly inhimane and downright evil tactics are embarrassing. Don’t explain, prove it. Ive shared visual evidence of the IDF doing it. If Hamas does it as often as you think, shouldn’t you be able to easily find visual evidence? Gaza is the most surveilled place in to the world. The IDF should easily have hundreds of photos and videos of Hamas using human shields right? At some point you have to realize that you’re spewing propagandistic lies to justify war crimes. See below from an Israeli human rights group: ”Since the beginning of the occupation in 1967, Israeli security forces have repeatedly used Palestinians in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip as human shields, ordering them to perform military tasks that risked their lives. As part of this policy, soldiers have ordered Palestinian civilians to remove suspicious objects from roads, to tell people to come out of their homes so the military can arrest them, to stand in front of soldiers while the latter shoot from behind them, and more. The Palestinian civilians were chosen at random for these tasks, and could not refuse the demand placed on them by armed soldiers.”www.btselem.org/human_shieldsIt's been demonstrated. Your refusal to acknowledge it is all the proof anyone needs that you are unable to have an honest conversation on this topic.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 9:06:54 GMT -5
Interesting
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 9:17:00 GMT -5
Since Joy insists on perpetuating false narratives:
Jewish American gets harassed and called a "traitor" by an Israeli:
Jewish counter-protester at Yale gets ignored by pro-Palestine activists
Student activists can't control what happens outside of campus (and sometimes on campus) and I understand why these protests make Jews who support Israel uncomfortable. But that's the point of a protest, to make people feel uncomfortable in order to coerce policy changes.
Physical attacks shouldn't be tolerated and the police and the schools should do everything they can to make sure students on both sides of the issue have a safe environment to express their views.
Lastly, there's a history of moderate liberals opposing antiwar activists and abolitionists (moderates thought the anti-slavery movement was too extreme). That tradition is alive an well.
Comfort doesn't lead to change. Discomfort does and that's why it's activists, not moderates, who have led the most successful social movements in our history.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 9:22:26 GMT -5
Since Joy insists on perpetuating false narratives: Jewish American gets harassed and called a "traitor" by an Israeli: Jewish counter-protester at Yale gets ignored by pro-Palestine activists Student activists can't control what happens outside of campus (and sometimes on campus) and I understand why these protests make Jews who support Israel uncomfortable. But that's the point of a protest, to make people feel uncomfortable in order to coerce policy changes. Physical attacks shouldn't be tolerated and the police and the schools should do everything they can to make sure students on both sides of the issue have a safe environment to express their views. Lastly, there's a history of moderate liberals opposing antiwar activists and abolitionists (moderates thought the anti-slavery movement was too extreme). That tradition is alive an well. Comfort doesn't lead to change. Discomfort does and that's why it's activists, not moderates, who have led the most successful social movements in our history. There is no bigger false narrative on this thread than the assertion that Hamas doesn't use human shields. I mean, this latest round started in part because the baby murdering, corpse raping rampage that Hamas went on resulted in them taking hostages. Ie: human shields.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 9:27:23 GMT -5
Since Joy insists on perpetuating false narratives: Jewish American gets harassed and called a "traitor" by an Israeli: Jewish counter-protester at Yale gets ignored by pro-Palestine activists Student activists can't control what happens outside of campus (and sometimes on campus) and I understand why these protests make Jews who support Israel uncomfortable. But that's the point of a protest, to make people feel uncomfortable in order to coerce policy changes. Physical attacks shouldn't be tolerated and the police and the schools should do everything they can to make sure students on both sides of the issue have a safe environment to express their views. Lastly, there's a history of moderate liberals opposing antiwar activists and abolitionists (moderates thought the anti-slavery movement was too extreme). That tradition is alive an well. Comfort doesn't lead to change. Discomfort does and that's why it's activists, not moderates, who have led the most successful social movements in our history. There is no bigger false narrative on this thread than the assertion that Hamas doesn't use human shields. . I've asked you several times to share at least one photo or video that proves your assertion. I've shared several photos and videos showing the IDF using human shields. It should be just as easy for you to find evidence of Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups doing that. Please take a seat and agree to disagree if you can't prove that I'm wrong and you're right.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 9:31:47 GMT -5
There is no bigger false narrative on this thread than the assertion that Hamas doesn't use human shields. . I've asked you several times to share at least one photo or video that proves your assertion. I've shared several photos and videos showing the IDF using human shields. It should be just as easy for you to find evidence of Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups doing that. Please take a seat and agree to disagree if you can't prove that I'm wrong and you're right. Yes. You keep asking. I gave you the hospital they built their command post under, I gave you their spokesperson bragging about it, and I pointed out that this round started with them taking hostages (aka human shields) on October 7. All you have done is demonstrated you won't acknowledge Hamas' use of human shields no matter how hard I rub your nose in it. Hamas could literally kidnap you from your house and carry you off to Gaza as a human shield, and you'd still deny what they do.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 9:38:59 GMT -5
I've asked you several times to share at least one photo or video that proves your assertion. I've shared several photos and videos showing the IDF using human shields. It should be just as easy for you to find evidence of Hamas or other Palestinian armed groups doing that. Please take a seat and agree to disagree if you can't prove that I'm wrong and you're right. Yes. You keep asking. I gave you the hospital they built their command post under, That was debunked months ago by several western news outlets. There was never a Hamas HQ or hostages underneath any Gaza hospitals. Footage to date fails to prove Gaza complex was nerve centre for attacks on Israel, as military has claimedYou and others insist on perpetuating disinformation in order to avoid addressing proven and established facts.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 23, 2024 9:47:03 GMT -5
Cool, Hamas uses human shields. So does the IDF. Which makes them just as bad. Happy?
There are no good guys in this fight, only innocent civilians made to suffer.
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