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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 23, 2024 18:04:53 GMT -5
Are you on board with those who want to prohibit memorializing them? No. It isn't a crime to be a racist, just a defect of character. And those aren't illegal.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:22:03 GMT -5
The electoral college is a device to give small states a say in electing the president and the gun laws were put in the BOR as a check on government tyranny. Neither had anything to do with the Civil War. False statements like yours are an indictment of the education system. Ahhhh huhhhh Is that right? What did I say in that post is BS? I won't hold my breath waiting for a rational response.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:23:17 GMT -5
Are you on board with those who want to prohibit memorializing them? No. It isn't a crime to be a racist, just a defect of character. And those aren't illegal. Are you saying anyone who memorializes Confederate soldiers is a racist? Wow!
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:35:19 GMT -5
The electoral college is a device to give small states a say in electing the president and the gun laws were put in the BOR as a check on government tyranny. Neither had anything to do with the Civil War. False statements like yours are an indictment of the education system. Actually the 2A was the condition Virginia laid out as the condition to join the Union. The rest of the South toddled behind Virginia. Militias were more properly called Slave Patrols in gay old Dixieland. You are correct re the EC. It was affirmative action for white southerners. Maybe it's time to get rid of it? The average southerner fought for the South because he was dragooned into service. It wasn't just Virginia. constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-2/ALDE_00013262/
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 23, 2024 18:42:32 GMT -5
No. It isn't a crime to be a racist, just a defect of character. And those aren't illegal. Are you saying anyone who memorializes Confederate soldiers is a racist? Wow! Yes.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 23, 2024 18:42:33 GMT -5
But here we are. Now what? Education. The entire nation has been wounded by slavery. It has expressed itself in this incarnation with trump, lack of gun laws and a wholly ignorant view of Christianity. I'm not saying the people aren't nice; they are very mannerly. It's their grasp on social issues where things go pear shaped as the English say. Is it education? Or how one was socialized in a particular area? Think about that and get back to me.
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Post by vosa on Apr 23, 2024 18:42:43 GMT -5
Why The Average Confederate Soldier Fought "Confederate soldiers were primarily volunteers who enlisted for a variety of reasons. A crucial motivator for many Southern soldiers was the defense of home and family against the invading Northern armies, often characterized as “Vandals” or “Hessians.” Additionally, whether their families owned slaves or not, many believed that two fundamental aspects of Southern society, white liberty and black slavery, wereunder threat by a Federal government dominated by the North. Finally, a sense of personal honor and uty to their comrades, families, and communities, and to the new Confederacy, eventually propelled more than 800,000 men to enlist and persevere through four long years of Civil War; nearly 260,000 would not survive."As we know, hindsight is 20x20. Additionally, whether their families owned slaves or not, many believed that two fundamental aspects of Southern society, white liberty and black slavery, were under threat by a Federal government dominated by the North So I would say, that since you quoted it. The truth finally comes out. As we know, hindsight is 20x20. But reading that quote, seeing what I have seen..... Lincoln screwed up. He should have let them do their thing and said have a nice day. Equally, it has become really apparent that even after over 165 years. The "South" hasn't accepted womens nor non-white. And after 165 years it is pretty evident that they never will. Oh they may run silent and run deep for decades..... but it is still there. So I will repeat. Lincoln for all his good intentions. Gave us 165 years.... an likely more.... of this BS. But here we are. Now what? Other than the fact that that is not a complete sentence can you tell me what that means?
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Post by guido2 on Apr 23, 2024 18:43:55 GMT -5
Is that right? What did I say in that post is BS? I won't hold my breath waiting for a rational response. You wouldn't understand a rational response if you tripped over it.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 23, 2024 18:45:04 GMT -5
As we know, hindsight is 20x20. Additionally, whether their families owned slaves or not, many believed that two fundamental aspects of Southern society, white liberty and black slavery, were under threat by a Federal government dominated by the North So I would say, that since you quoted it. The truth finally comes out. As we know, hindsight is 20x20. But reading that quote, seeing what I have seen..... Lincoln screwed up. He should have let them do their thing and said have a nice day. Equally, it has become really apparent that even after over 165 years. The "South" hasn't accepted womens nor non-white. And after 165 years it is pretty evident that they never will. Oh they may run silent and run deep for decades..... but it is still there. So I will repeat. Lincoln for all his good intentions. Gave us 165 years.... an likely more.... of this BS. But here we are. Now what? Other than the fact that that is not a complete sentence can you tell me what that means? No I won't. I am no longer wasting my time throwing pearls.........etc.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:47:44 GMT -5
Are you saying anyone who memorializes Confederate soldiers is a racist? Wow! Yes. So putting flowers on your ancestors grave is racist? LMFAO You are the racist.
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Post by rocketwolf on Apr 23, 2024 18:48:14 GMT -5
To preserve slavery? Yes, it was. 100%. As they themselves made clear at the time. This is the Mississippi explanation for their treason. I'm talking about the soldiers who are memorialized. They were fighting for their state, not for or against slavery. Many were fighting because they were drafted by the state.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:48:42 GMT -5
Is that right? What did I say in that post is BS? I won't hold my breath waiting for a rational response. You wouldn't understand a rational response if you tripped over it. That's academic because I will never get one from you.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 18:49:37 GMT -5
I'm talking about the soldiers who are memorialized. They were fighting for their state, not for or against slavery. Many were fighting because they were drafted by the state. Some were and they were still fighting for their comrades in arms as well as their homes. Some from Maryland went south before the federals could come around and "draft" them into the Union Army.
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 23, 2024 18:57:06 GMT -5
So putting flowers on your ancestors grave is racist? LMFAO You are the racist. No one that I'm aware of is calling to remove tombstones or military statues at Gettysburg. History is important but revanchist history is a poorly disguised attempt to dig up the issues we fought a civil war over. The issue as you well know are statues of aholes like Nathan Bedford Forrest in the town square. But you know this already.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 19:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by zenwalk on Apr 23, 2024 19:36:58 GMT -5
No one that I'm aware of is calling to remove tombstones or military statues at Gettysburg. History is important but revanchist history is a poorly disguised attempt to dig up the issues we fought a civil war over. The issue as you well know are statues of aholes like Nathan Bedford Forrest in the town square. But you know this already. I have always opposed putting the memorials on public property. They are already removing memorials from cemeteries and have proposed removing Confederate memorials from Gettysburg and other battlefields. Unless the monument is provocative a monument to bravery in a graveyard or battlefield seems perfectly fine. The dead were likely drafted into service and died needlessly for reasons outside their understanding. Grok the fact that the US was the last major nation to abolish slavery. And that was pulling teeth. Slavery is profoundly deranged and it deranged everyone who condoned it.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 21:40:49 GMT -5
Are you saying anyone who memorializes Confederate soldiers is a racist? Wow! Yes. Seems pretty clear cut to me
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 21:57:27 GMT -5
I have always opposed putting the memorials on public property. They are already removing memorials from cemeteries and have proposed removing Confederate memorials from Gettysburg and other battlefields. Unless the monument is provocative a monument to bravery in a graveyard or battlefield seems perfectly fine. The dead were likely drafted into service and died needlessly for reasons outside their understanding. Grok the fact that the US was the last major nation to abolish slavery. And that was pulling teeth. Slavery is profoundly deranged and it deranged everyone who condoned it. Allowing slavery was the biggest mistake made in the colonies. We would be so much better off today if slavery was never allowed in the colonies/US.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 21:59:33 GMT -5
I don't care what they told themselves. They fought for a cause that would have kept millions in chains. So what? They fought for what they believed in and should be honored for that. No one is asking you to honor them but you don't want anyone to memorialize them. That is a very controlling and anti freedom attitude consistent with tyrants. If the states didn't secede the slaves would have been kept in chains longer. What a ridiculous post. They believed in a system of white supremacy that kept African Americans in bondage. And, obviously the state government of Mississippi is trying to require everyone in the state to honor their 'heritage' Almost immediately after the election of Lincoln, Mississippi's governor sent emissaries to the other southern states to make the case for secession. Among them was William L. Harris. Here is is speaking to a gathering in Georgia in December 1860 So, to be clear, again, they were fighting to ensure that African Americans could not vote, be equally represented in legislatures, hold public office, or marry freely. That's the 'heritage' that the state government of Mississippi is trying to force people to memorialize. It is racist and so are the people defending this heinous decision.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 22:00:30 GMT -5
Seems pretty clear cut to me That's a pretty broad brush. Shouldn't even put flowers on their ancestors grave huh? This hatred from people is pathetic. They are what they claim to hate and can't even see it.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 23, 2024 22:06:52 GMT -5
So what? They fought for what they believed in and should be honored for that. No one is asking you to honor them but you don't want anyone to memorialize them. That is a very controlling and anti freedom attitude consistent with tyrants. If the states didn't secede the slaves would have been kept in chains longer. What a ridiculous post. They believed in a system of white supremacy that kept African Americans in bondage. And, obviously the state government of Mississippi is trying to require everyone in the state to honor their 'heritage' Almost immediately after the election of Lincoln, Mississippi's governor sent emissaries to the other southern states to make the case for secession. Among them was William L. Harris. Here is is speaking to a gathering in Georgia in December 1860 So, to be clear, again, they were fighting to ensure that African Americans could not vote, be equally represented in legislatures, hold public office, or marry freely. That's the 'heritage' that the state government of Mississippi is trying to force people to memorialize. It is racist and so are the people defending this heinous decision. How do you know what each individual back then believed? Physic? How is the Mississippi government forcing anyone to honor anything? Examples? It doesn't matter what you think they were fighting for, I actually read some of their writings and have a good idea of what they were thinking about. What have you read?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 22:11:23 GMT -5
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Post by ivanbalt on Apr 24, 2024 5:19:39 GMT -5
Says the person who deflected a topic about the confederacy to black people in Africa. So you see no connection between Black people in Africa and the confederacy. Let me connect the dots for you. The CSA came about to defend slavery. Slaves came from Africa. Black folks in Africa sold people into slavery, some of which came to the U.S. Capisce? Are people in Africa looking to celebrate slavery in 2024 in the way Mississippi is?
Again, you're obviously deflecting because criticism of the confederacy makes you uncomfortable...
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 6:26:03 GMT -5
I don't care what they told themselves. They fought for a cause that would have kept millions in chains. So what? They fought for what they believed in and should be honored for that. No one is asking you to honor them but you don't want anyone to memorialize them. That is a very controlling and anti freedom attitude consistent with tyrants. If the states didn't secede the slaves would have been kept in chains longer. I said worship of white supremacists and their slavery beliefs shouldn't be state sanctioned. If people want to do that in their own private life so be it.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 6:31:17 GMT -5
Hopefully Mississippi's Confederate heritage month is used to teach and inform people of the CSA's true intentions and how Mississippi played a part in it.
After all, facts dont care about your feelings.
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 24, 2024 8:35:04 GMT -5
So what? Still doesn't disprove my point. You keep arguing a point I am not making. SMH
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Post by smokey1 on Apr 24, 2024 8:39:07 GMT -5
So what? They fought for what they believed in and should be honored for that. No one is asking you to honor them but you don't want anyone to memorialize them. That is a very controlling and anti freedom attitude consistent with tyrants. If the states didn't secede the slaves would have been kept in chains longer. I said worship of white supremacists and their slavery beliefs shouldn't be state sanctioned. If people want to do that in their own private life so be it. Who is worshiping white supremacists and slavery? I have been in the CW heritage world for years and I haven't met anyone who worships white supremacy or slavery. I agree that no groups should be state sanctioned and memorials should be placed on private property.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 9:00:48 GMT -5
I said worship of white supremacists and their slavery beliefs shouldn't be state sanctioned. If people want to do that in their own private life so be it. Who is worshiping white supremacists and slavery? I have been in the CW heritage world for years and I haven't met anyone who worships white supremacy or slavery. I agree that no groups should be state sanctioned and memorials should be placed on private property. Worship, celebrating, honoring, etc. It shouldn't be done on a state level. Put all statues on private land or if no one claims them or wants them, destroy them. If Mississippi wanted to make April "Civil War Heritage Month" that's fine. But they specifically made it about Confederates, which was a white supremacist rebellion. I'm just calling it out for what it is -- honoring people who fought to preserve slavery and create a white supremacist nation. That is what's being honored.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 9:04:17 GMT -5
Arguably the most backwards State in the US
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Post by vosa on Apr 24, 2024 9:45:26 GMT -5
Other than the fact that that is not a complete sentence can you tell me what that means? No I won't. I am no longer wasting my time throwing pearls.........etc. What you throw here is definitely not pearls.
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