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Post by soulflower on Oct 7, 2023 17:30:05 GMT -5
Netanyahu knows the civilians in Gaza have nowhere to go.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 7, 2023 17:44:56 GMT -5
Both of my grandmothers used to say a hard head makes for a soft behind. Israel’s head has been hard for decades. It just got a minor swat on the behind. The true paddling will be epic, actually, Biblical. So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 7, 2023 17:52:03 GMT -5
Both of my grandmothers used to say a hard head makes for a soft behind. Israel’s head has been hard for decades. It just got a minor swat on the behind. The true paddling will be epic, actually, Biblical. So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that. There is very little importance placed on the lives of children and other innocents if they are Israeli. Actually, none is more accurate, from the anti-Israel contingent. So, what if some non-Israelis living there were killed? Just collateral damage. A means to an end. If Israel hated the U.S. these folks would love them. And some of them claim the moral high ground. Pish.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 7, 2023 17:55:04 GMT -5
There is NOTHING "finely tuned" or "precise" about the death delivery system Hamas used this morning. This was wanton terrorism delivered in a high-tech manner, nothing more. This was irregular forces targeting unarmed civilians. This was irregular forces firing explosives with no control over where they were going to land. If Hamas wants to take on Israel's military, they should do so. At least that would be honorable and more or less legal. This ain't that. This is terror writ large. It's pretty hard to take out a military target with the comparative equivalent of a slingshot from within the Gaza prison. Oh. So, because it's difficult, the killing of civilians is OK? Launching 2200 rockets is OK?
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 7, 2023 18:09:37 GMT -5
Both of my grandmothers used to say a hard head makes for a soft behind. Israel’s head has been hard for decades. It just got a minor swat on the behind. The true paddling will be epic, actually, Biblical. So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that. I'm pretty sure kandace is saying the paddling that Hamas is about to receive from the IDF will be Biblical. It has to be that. Because thinking Hamas is going to hit Israel even harder is, really, just too crazy for anyone to consider.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 18:12:37 GMT -5
Netanyahu knows the civilians in Gaza have nowhere to go. "Leave now?" And go where to, they are imprisoned? That turd Netanyahu has just told Gazans that they are about to be murdered.
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Post by augustwest on Oct 7, 2023 18:22:23 GMT -5
I find it offensive that you called Hamas terrorists (redundant, I know) "freedom fighters", soulflower. Do you think that all terrorists are "freedom fighters" or just certain ones? If you were born Palestinian in Israel. What good options do you have in life?
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Post by ishmael on Oct 7, 2023 18:25:12 GMT -5
Netanyahu knows the civilians in Gaza have nowhere to go. "Leave now?" And go where to, they are imprisoned? That turd Netanyahu has just told Gazans that they are about to be murdered. Does Israel have no right to defend itself, WKDWZD? Israel has been in the unrelenting crosshairs of every Arabic nation in the ME for nearly 4 generations. The assault today brings that fact home with unmistakable fury. There are reports today that more than 250 Israelis are dead, with more to come. And all of this with no discernible objective other than the deaths of Israelis. Yes. Gaza is going to be attacked and the Hamas terrorists hiding among that population will have Gazan blood on their hands as well.
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Post by kandace on Oct 7, 2023 18:29:42 GMT -5
It's pretty hard to take out a military target with the comparative equivalent of a slingshot from within the Gaza prison. Oh. So, because it's difficult, the killing of civilians is OK? Launching 2200 rockets is OK? None of the sad situation in Israel is ok. The deaths of Israelis and Palestinians is equally tragic. Every action has a reaction. Erecting an apartheid state and expecting smooth sailing is deluded in the extreme.
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Post by kandace on Oct 7, 2023 18:31:18 GMT -5
So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that. I'm pretty sure kandace is saying the paddling that Hamas is about to receive from the IDF will be Biblical. It has to be that. Because thinking Hamas is going to hit Israel even harder is, really, just too crazy for anyone to consider. I didn’t day it would be Hamas doing the paddling. It will definitely be someone else or maybe even Someone Else.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 7, 2023 18:31:55 GMT -5
I find it offensive that you called Hamas terrorists (redundant, I know) "freedom fighters", soulflower. Do you think that all terrorists are "freedom fighters" or just certain ones? If you were born Palestinian in Israel. What good options do you have in life? This is much like being born Korean in North Korea. They also have no good options in life. Because, like in North Korea, the Palestinians live under a terrorist regime. As sad as it is that neither the North Koreans nor the Palestinians have options in life, this wasn't caused by Israel or South Korea, and it isn't Israel or South Korea's responsibility.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 18:34:01 GMT -5
"Leave now?" And go where to, they are imprisoned? That turd Netanyahu has just told Gazans that they are about to be murdered. Does Israel have no right to defend itself, WKDWZD? Do Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, ishmael?
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 18:37:48 GMT -5
I find it offensive that you called Hamas terrorists (redundant, I know) "freedom fighters", soulflower. Do you think that all terrorists are "freedom fighters" or just certain ones? If you were born Palestinian in Israel. What good options do you have in life? About the same as if you were born Palestinian in Israeli illegally occupied Palestine, ie pretty much bugger all.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 18:48:47 GMT -5
It's pretty hard to take out a military target with the comparative equivalent of a slingshot from within the Gaza prison. Oh. So, because it's difficult, the killing of civilians is OK? Launching 2200 rockets is OK? The old adage "when all you have is lemons ..."
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Post by summer23 on Oct 7, 2023 18:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by guido2 on Oct 7, 2023 18:57:52 GMT -5
In 1947 the Palestinians should have taken the deal that gave around 20% of the land to the Jews, as there was not Israel state, and the remainder was given to the Palestinians. Just say'n Would you have given 20% of the US to the Jews? No? How about 10% or even 5%? No, I didn't think so. I think, there is a big differentiation to what you are proposing as to the situation back then.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 7, 2023 19:18:06 GMT -5
Does Israel have no right to defend itself, WKDWZD? Do Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, ishmael? Palestinians have no right to resist colonization and occupation according to some here.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 7, 2023 19:19:11 GMT -5
Well said. Goodnight.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 7, 2023 19:20:13 GMT -5
Do Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, ishmael? Palestinians have no right to resist colonization and occupation according to some here. Israel has no right to exist according some.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 7, 2023 19:38:00 GMT -5
Palestinians have no right to resist colonization and occupation according to some here. Israel has no right to exist according some. I'm pretty sure that's what SF is arguing. The Israelis have offered land for peace multiple times only to have it rejected. From the Palestinian point of view ALL of Israel was stolen and therefore is occupied and colonized by the Israelis. Whenever I see someone talking about colonizing and occupation in relation to the Palestinians, what they're really saying is Israel has to be destroyed.
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Post by augustwest on Oct 7, 2023 20:06:01 GMT -5
Both of my grandmothers used to say a hard head makes for a soft behind. Israel’s head has been hard for decades. It just got a minor swat on the behind. The true paddling will be epic, actually, Biblical. So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that. Are there any innocents in this situation?
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Post by ishmael on Oct 7, 2023 20:10:43 GMT -5
Does Israel have no right to defend itself, WKDWZD? Do Palestinians have no right to defend themselves, ishmael? Absolutely. What happened today was not self-defense WKDWZD, it was an act of terror. There was no effort to attack the Israeli governing structure, there was no effort to attack the IDF. It was simply random destruction with no strategic objective other than to kill random people.
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Post by ishmael on Oct 7, 2023 20:13:04 GMT -5
So 100 dead innocents is OK with you? I'll need to remember that. Are there any innocents in this situation? The majority of the people in that area are innocents. It's the "leaders" across the zone that are bringing us to this.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 20:15:18 GMT -5
Israel has no right to exist according some. I'm pretty sure that's what SF is arguing. The Israelis have offered land for peace multiple times only to have it rejected. From the Palestinian point of view ALL of Israel was stolen and therefore is occupied and colonized by the Israelis. Whenever I see someone talking about colonizing and occupation in relation to the Palestinians, what they're really saying is Israel has to be destroyed. Then you clearly have a serious problem with your comprehension. Only that part of Palestine, namely the West Bank etc which has been illegally occupied since 1967, and had settlements built upon it is what Israel has to return to the Palestinians. In other words the pre 1967 border dictates what part is Israel and what part is Palestine and none of it needs to be destroyed.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 7, 2023 20:26:21 GMT -5
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Post by augustwest on Oct 7, 2023 20:39:32 GMT -5
Are there any innocents in this situation? The majority of the people in that area are innocents. It's the "leaders" across the zone that are bringing us to this. I doubt that the majority opposed the treatment of the minorities
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Post by augustwest on Oct 7, 2023 20:40:40 GMT -5
Palestinians have no right to resist colonization and occupation according to some here. Israel has no right to exist according some. Who said that?
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Post by summer23 on Oct 7, 2023 21:00:36 GMT -5
Israel should have just said, "Sorry you attacked us. Here's a gimme." And moved on.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 7, 2023 22:00:57 GMT -5
Israel has no right to exist according some. I'm pretty sure that's what SF is arguing. Israel has the right to defend themselves but they should try harder to avoid killing Palestinian civilians. The Palestinians have the right to resist Israel’s repression but they should try to avoid killing Israeli civilians. There’s no contradictions between the above statements. Do you agree or disagree? Aside from that, you can only repress people for so long before they explode. Given world history, these sort of ethnic tensions go one of two ways: 1 - Ethnic cleansing and genocide. or 2 - Pluralism and Multiculturalism. If Israel can’t figure out how to guarantee the human rights and self-determination of the Palestinians then the future for Israel looks very dark.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 7, 2023 22:30:46 GMT -5
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