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Post by soulflower on Nov 20, 2023 11:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Dec 3, 2023 11:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by ivanbalt on Dec 3, 2023 13:02:01 GMT -5
Fools are itching to destroy the middle east.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 3, 2023 13:14:18 GMT -5
The Navy was fired at from there when it stopped a hijacking. Kinda hoping they dropped the pirates in the drink just ahead of the screws!
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Post by summer23 on Dec 3, 2023 13:21:17 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on Dec 3, 2023 13:47:44 GMT -5
Fools are itching to destroy the middle east. The US has been destroying swaths of the Middle East for decades, from enabling Israeli depredations in Lebanon, economically destroying Iraq via sanctions, illegally invading Iraq, facilitating the ruination of large parts of Syria. The US-destroyed parts of the Middle East are fighting back. It's only just begun.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 3, 2023 13:52:40 GMT -5
Fools are itching to destroy the middle east. The US has been destroying swaths of the Middle East for decades, from enabling Israeli depredations in Lebanon, economically destroying Iraq via sanctions, illegally invading Iraq, facilitating the ruination of large parts of Syria. The US-destroyed parts of the Middle East are fighting back. It's only just begun. The attacks stopped when there was a brief ceasefire in Gaza and have resumed now that the ceasefire is over.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 3, 2023 14:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by ivanbalt on Dec 3, 2023 16:45:31 GMT -5
Fools are itching to destroy the middle east. The US has been destroying swaths of the Middle East for decades, from enabling Israeli depredations in Lebanon, economically destroying Iraq via sanctions, illegally invading Iraq, facilitating the ruination of large parts of Syria. The US-destroyed parts of the Middle East are fighting back. It's only just begun. I understand what the US has done over time, but the US bares minimal responsibility for Syria. And if the region doesn't want US involvement, attacking US and other ships seems like a terrible way to go about it. Do they want more US military in the region?
Iran picking fights externally is evidence of how much of a failure the theocracy is domestically.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 3, 2023 18:00:17 GMT -5
Iran picking fights externally is evidence of how much of a failure the theocracy is domestically. Religion is generally antithetical to freedom, fundamentalism especially so. I believe theocracies are not sustainable indefinitely, but they can sure inflict a great deal of harm before they collapse, can't they? And all because their invisible friend told them whatever they did in his name was acceptable.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 3, 2023 18:17:58 GMT -5
The US has been destroying swaths of the Middle East for decades, from enabling Israeli depredations in Lebanon, economically destroying Iraq via sanctions, illegally invading Iraq, facilitating the ruination of large parts of Syria. The US-destroyed parts of the Middle East are fighting back. It's only just begun. I understand what the US has done over time, but the US bares minimal responsibility for Syria. And if the region doesn't want US involvement, attacking US and other ships seems like a terrible way to go about it. Do they want more US military in the region?
Iran picking fights externally is evidence of how much of a failure the theocracy is domestically.
I blame Israel. Totally useless as an ally. All our alliance with Israel does is make our personnel in the Middle East less safe. If I'm wrong, can someone explain how the US benefits from our relations with Israel? I agree with Kandace that these attacks are directly related to what's happening in Gaza. No Arab country currently has the guts to attack Israel directly. So there are ragtag rebel groups using whatever means they have to retaliate against us and Israel.
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Post by kandace on Dec 3, 2023 19:02:28 GMT -5
I understand what the US has done over time, but the US bares minimal responsibility for Syria. And if the region doesn't want US involvement, attacking US and other ships seems like a terrible way to go about it. Do they want more US military in the region?
Iran picking fights externally is evidence of how much of a failure the theocracy is domestically.
I blame Israel. Totally useless as an ally. All our alliance with Israel does is make our personnel in the Middle East less safe. If I'm wrong, can someone explain how the US benefits from our relations with Israel? I agree with Kandace that these attacks are directly related to what's happening in Gaza. No Arab country currently has the guts to attack Israel directly. So there are ragtag rebel groups using whatever means they have to retaliate against us and Israel.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 4, 2023 21:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Dec 5, 2023 10:21:10 GMT -5
They shouldn't be there in the first place.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 14, 2023 22:12:31 GMT -5
The Houthis continue to attack ships in the Red Sea
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Post by soulflower on Dec 18, 2023 7:24:57 GMT -5
The ongoing Houthi attacks may increase the prices of oil
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Post by soulflower on Dec 19, 2023 10:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 19, 2023 11:10:04 GMT -5
Historic US involvement in the Middle East has been mainly in support of global energy trade. The global economy depended on easy access to oil from places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran and Iraq. This included countries like China and Japan which have limited domestic energy options and needed oil. Picking the countries that didn't arrange mass "Death to America" events was easy, and propping them up in support of the global energy economy made sense.
Then we spent 20 years tangled up in Afghanistan and Iraq and figured out how to become an energy exporter (no Biden doesn't get credit for this, this was a Trump initiative that continues to pay unexpectedly high dividends now in spite of Biden trying to stifle energy production and transportation). We no longer have an interest in being involved in sorting out the ME's problems. Interestingly though, Israel isn't the problem either. They've made peace with most of their neighbors except Iran and Iran's proxies. Iran is the problem.
So now that we're more or less out, who DOES have an interest in maintaining energy flows out of the Persian Gulf? India, China and Japan. Japan has the technology and the blue water Navy to intervene and may well do so unless they can replace their energy needs with US oil. China is trying to work their angle through "The Belt and Road Initiative" which seems to be failing. India is buying their oil from Russia, which keeps cutting production, but doesn't have much ability to project their will into the ME.
Probably we should be watching what India, Japan and China do to get an idea where this is going. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Japanese Navy showing up in the Red Sea and the Gulf. The Chinese Navy really doesn't have that reach. I don't know that much about the Indian Navy, but they're not nearly as far away as China or Japan.
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Post by Jimmy Jazz on Dec 19, 2023 23:40:55 GMT -5
The Indian Navy got involved a few years back when Somali piracy was getting out of hand. The Chinese have a navy base in Djibouti but I have no idea what their capabilities are.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 20, 2023 10:17:32 GMT -5
What a crazy time we’re living in
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Post by ivanbalt on Dec 20, 2023 10:27:06 GMT -5
Doesn't Israel have a Navy? This is Yemen, not the Chinese navy.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 20, 2023 10:55:27 GMT -5
Doesn't Israel have a Navy? This is Yemen, not the Chinese navy. Sure, but what Yemen is going mostly doesn't have an impact on Israel. It's attacking international shipping because somewhere in the chain of ownership of these ships, an Israeli is involved.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 20, 2023 11:10:18 GMT -5
Doesn't Israel have a Navy? This is Yemen, not the Chinese navy. Sure, but what Yemen is going mostly doesn't have an impact on Israel. It's attacking international shipping because somewhere in the chain of ownership of these ships, an Israeli is involved. It has an economic impact on Israel. These attacks make the costs of shipping goods to Israel much more expensive. The longer route around Africa also increases delays for supplies to Israel. It's a good way to protest Israel's war on Gaza and they've said the attacks will stop once there's a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid gets to the Palestinians. As for Yemen's Houthis, they've just spent 8 years being blockaded and bombed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE similar to how Israel is bombing and blockading Gaza. They're living proof that what Israel is doing in Gaza isn't likely to succeed.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 20, 2023 12:35:18 GMT -5
Sure, but what Yemen is going mostly doesn't have an impact on Israel. It's attacking international shipping because somewhere in the chain of ownership of these ships, an Israeli is involved. It has an economic impact on Israel. These attacks make the costs of shipping goods to Israel much more expensive. The longer route around Africa also increases delays for supplies to Israel. It's a good way to protest Israel's war on Gaza and they've said the attacks will sop once there's a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid gets to the Palestinians. As for Yemen's Houthis, they've just spent 8 years being blockaded and bombed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE similar to how Israel is bombing and blockading Gaza. They're living proof that what Israel is doing in Gaza isn't likely to succeed. Piracy is a good way to protest? REALLY??!! These attacks make the cost of shipping goods EVERYWHERE more expensive. The economic impact of this isn't focused on Israel. It's on EVERYONE who uses the Suez.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 20, 2023 12:50:46 GMT -5
It has an economic impact on Israel. These attacks make the costs of shipping goods to Israel much more expensive. The longer route around Africa also increases delays for supplies to Israel. It's a good way to protest Israel's war on Gaza and they've said the attacks will sop once there's a ceasefire and more humanitarian aid gets to the Palestinians. As for Yemen's Houthis, they've just spent 8 years being blockaded and bombed by Saudi Arabia and the UAE similar to how Israel is bombing and blockading Gaza. They're living proof that what Israel is doing in Gaza isn't likely to succeed. Piracy is a good way to protest? REALLY??!! Yeah really. Fight the power! Seriously, hopefully no one is killed in these attacks. But I think it's a morally justified response to the immoral things Israel is doing.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 21, 2023 17:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 22, 2023 12:09:08 GMT -5
Piracy is a good way to protest? REALLY??!! Yeah really. Fight the power! Seriously, hopefully no one is killed in these attacks. But I think it's a morally justified response to the immoral things Israel is doing. All I see in your posts is "it's only wrong when the Jews fight." The Jewish settlers in the West Bank? Fighting the power. The Palestinians launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages? Immoral things the Palestinians are doing.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 22, 2023 12:15:28 GMT -5
Yeah really. Fight the power! Seriously, hopefully no one is killed in these attacks. But I think it's a morally justified response to the immoral things Israel is doing. All I see in your posts is "it's only wrong when the Jews fight." The Jewish settlers in the West Bank? Fighting the power. The Palestinians launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages? Immoral things the Palestinians are doing. I don't care what religion Israelis are. It's wrong to massacre women and children period. It's wrong to believe your own group is superior to other ethnic groups or religions. FWIW, I was one of the few posters here who spent the last few years condemning what Saudi Arabia did to Yemen. I don't recall your participation on my threads condemning the Saudis. So take your Race-card defense of war crimes somewhere else.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 22, 2023 12:47:20 GMT -5
All I see in your posts is "it's only wrong when the Jews fight." The Jewish settlers in the West Bank? Fighting the power. The Palestinians launching rockets into Israeli towns and villages? Immoral things the Palestinians are doing. I don't care what religion Israelis are. It's wrong to massacre women and children period. It's wrong to believe your own group is superior to other ethnic groups or religions. FWIW, I was one of the few posters here who spent the last few years condemning what Saudi Arabia did to Yemen. I don't recall your participation on my threads condemning the Saudis. So take your Race-card defense of war crimes somewhere else. You're describing Islam. I generally don't get in the middle of Shia/Sunni conflict discussions because it's been going on for over 1,000 years. It's what Islam is.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 22, 2023 12:52:49 GMT -5
My point of endorsing Yemen’s piracy is, using the limited means they have, they’re doing the same thing we do when we Sanction countries for Human Rights abuses or other violations. If they’re doing this to hold Israel accountable, I support it.
For example, the US on a few occasions the last few years has seized Iranian oil tankers. Some have called that “piracy”.
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