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Post by soulflower on Dec 23, 2023 14:05:38 GMT -5
Good news if it’s true that the Biden administration is backing down from escalation against the Houthis.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Dec 29, 2023 2:17:47 GMT -5
Good news if it’s true that the Biden administration is backing down from escalation against the Houthis. I have never come across anyone who so actively roots against the United States at almost every opportunity.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 29, 2023 9:45:48 GMT -5
Good news if it’s true that the Biden administration is backing down from escalation against the Houthis. I have never come across anyone who so actively roots against the United States at almost every opportunity. I'm not rooting "against" my country. The US government does not represent me or America. It represents the interests of elites and often times their interests diverge from what the majority of Americans want or desire. I'm rooting for our leaders to make better decisions. They keep making dumb geopolitical decisions that lead us into bad situations around the world. We wouldn't be in this situation if our leaders didn't blindly support Israel. An alliance that has zero benefits for the US.
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Post by soulflower on Dec 30, 2023 19:22:34 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on Dec 30, 2023 19:26:13 GMT -5
Interesting perspective
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Post by soulflower on Dec 30, 2023 19:30:16 GMT -5
Most of the wars being fought currently involve non-State actors like the Houthis in Yemen for example. And there doesn’t seem to be a clear overarching strategy for dealing with these types of regional threats.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Dec 31, 2023 18:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Dec 31, 2023 19:20:30 GMT -5
What’s the end-game? Tit-for tat attacks won’t change anything (see Iraq and Syria where attacks on US bases continue despite our retaliatory attacks) and I don’t believe Biden is willing to start a new war in an election year.
He’s being squeezed by his refusal to stand up to Netanyahu.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 1, 2024 11:02:17 GMT -5
What’s the end-game? Tit-for tat attacks won’t change anything (see Iraq and Syria where attacks on US bases continue despite our retaliatory attacks) and I don’t believe Biden is willing to start a new war in an election year. He’s being squeezed by his refusal to stand up to Netanyahu. The end game is the Houthis stop attacking commercial shipping in international waters. We can see where these boats are launching from. Obliterate their bases. This isn't hard to figure out.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 1, 2024 11:46:43 GMT -5
What’s the end-game? Tit-for tat attacks won’t change anything (see Iraq and Syria where attacks on US bases continue despite our retaliatory attacks) and I don’t believe Biden is willing to start a new war in an election year. He’s being squeezed by his refusal to stand up to Netanyahu. The end game is the Houthis stop attacking commercial shipping in international waters. We can see where these boats are launching from. Obliterate their bases. This isn't hard to figure out. Good luck with that. The Saudis spent 8 years in a full scale war with the Houthis and couldn't stop them from launching drone and missile attacks. My concern is that this thing escalates after the retaliatory attacks fail to stop them. Their demand is clear. They'll stop when there's a ceasefire in Gaza. Pushing for a political resolution makes more sense than military escalation. This situation is reminiscent of the Suez canal crisis in the 1950s. President Eisenhower wisely chose the diplomatic path to resolve that issue.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 1, 2024 12:43:50 GMT -5
The end game is the Houthis stop attacking commercial shipping in international waters. We can see where these boats are launching from. Obliterate their bases. This isn't hard to figure out. Good luck with that. The Saudis spent 8 years in a full scale war with the Houthis and couldn't stop them from launching drone and missile attacks. My concern is that this thing escalates after the retaliatory attacks fail to stop them? Their demand is clear. They'll stop when there's a ceasefire in Gaza. Pushing for a political resolution makes more sense than military escalation. This situation is reminiscent of the Suez canal crisis in the 1950s. President Eisenhower wisely chose the diplomatic path to resolve that issue. No, Eisenhower wasn't interested in propping up French and British colonial revanchism. Get your history straight. When will you ever learn that kowtowing to terrorists simply invites more terrorism. These are commercial ships in international waters. Blow the Houthi boats out of the water and take out the bases from where they launch. Rinse, repeat.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 1, 2024 12:56:14 GMT -5
Good luck with that. The Saudis spent 8 years in a full scale war with the Houthis and couldn't stop them from launching drone and missile attacks. My concern is that this thing escalates after the retaliatory attacks fail to stop them? Their demand is clear. They'll stop when there's a ceasefire in Gaza. Pushing for a political resolution makes more sense than military escalation. This situation is reminiscent of the Suez canal crisis in the 1950s. President Eisenhower wisely chose the diplomatic path to resolve that issue. No, Eisenhower wasn't interested in propping up French and British colonial revanchism. Get your history straight. When will you ever learn that kowtowing to terrorists simply invites more terrorism. These are commercial ships in international waters. Blow the Houthi boats out of the water and take out the bases from where they launch. Rinse, repeat. When will you learn that diplomatic solutions are longer lasting and less counterproductive than military escalation? Obviously you learned absolutely nothing from our failures over the last two decades in the so called “War on terror”. And I assume that you didn’t pay close attention to the Saudi-Yemen war. BTW, our base in Erbil Iraq was targeted by drones again yesterday. The retaliatory air strikes on these ragtag rebel groups are not deterring them.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 1, 2024 14:06:49 GMT -5
No, Eisenhower wasn't interested in propping up French and British colonial revanchism. Get your history straight. When will you ever learn that kowtowing to terrorists simply invites more terrorism. These are commercial ships in international waters. Blow the Houthi boats out of the water and take out the bases from where they launch. Rinse, repeat. When will you learn that diplomatic solutions are longer lasting and less counterproductive than military escalation? Obviously you learned absolutely nothing from our failures over the last two decades in the so called “War on terror”. And I assume that you didn’t pay close attention to the Saudi-Yemen war. BTW, our base in Erbil Iraq was targeted by drones again yesterday. The retaliatory air strikes on these ragtag rebel groups are not deterring them. We're not Saudi Arabia. What part of international waters don't you understand? By the way, these 'rag tag rebel groups' are financed and armed by Iran
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Post by soulflower on Jan 1, 2024 16:30:46 GMT -5
When will you learn that diplomatic solutions are longer lasting and less counterproductive than military escalation? Obviously you learned absolutely nothing from our failures over the last two decades in the so called “War on terror”. And I assume that you didn’t pay close attention to the Saudi-Yemen war. BTW, our base in Erbil Iraq was targeted by drones again yesterday. The retaliatory air strikes on these ragtag rebel groups are not deterring them. We're not Saudi Arabia. What part of international waters don't you understand? By the way, these 'rag tag rebel groups' are financed and armed by Iran Yeah and? Directly confronting Iran is far more costly for us and the global economy than negotiating a ceasefire in Gaza. A cold peace is always better than a hot war…
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Post by soulflower on Jan 5, 2024 17:10:18 GMT -5
Good. Ceasefire now
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 5, 2024 20:59:46 GMT -5
Openly supporting terrorism and rooting for inflation. Disgusting
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 5, 2024 21:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 5, 2024 23:55:35 GMT -5
Openly supporting terrorism and rooting for inflation. Disgusting The real “terrorism” is being committed by Israel in Gaza. This is the poor man’s “economic sanctions”. If the West isn’t going to do anything to rein in Israel, the Global South and other actors are going to take matters into their own hands. Inaction has consequences.
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Post by summer23 on Jan 6, 2024 8:10:45 GMT -5
There is "cheering for the underdog" and then there is this.
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Post by WKDWZD on Jan 6, 2024 9:07:43 GMT -5
Openly supporting terrorism and rooting for inflation. Disgusting The real “terrorism” is being committed by Israel in Gaza. This is the poor man’s “economic sanctions”. If the West isn’t going to do anything to rein in Israel, the Global South and other actors are going to take matters into their own hands. Inaction has consequences. I do not agree with what Yemen is doing, but I do understand it. One can't complain about their actions all the time you have the 6th fleet parked in the East Mediterranean, supporting Israel in its genocide of Gaza. As they say, all's fair in love and war.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 9:41:50 GMT -5
There is "cheering for the underdog" and then there is this. It certainly beats “cheering for genocide” as some pro-Israel advocates are doing. Human lives matter more than property. And let’s not forget that Yemen has recently experienced a brutal blockade like the people of Gaza.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 6, 2024 9:44:16 GMT -5
There is "cheering for the underdog" and then there is this. It certainly beats “cheering for genocide” as some pro-Israel advocates are doing. Human lives matter more than property. And let’s not forget that Yemen has recently experienced a brutal blockade like the people of Gaza. I just can't root for terrorist organizations attacking commercial ships in international waters but that's just me.
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Post by summer23 on Jan 6, 2024 9:48:15 GMT -5
There is "cheering for the underdog" and then there is this. It certainly beats “cheering for genocide” as some pro-Israel advocates are doing. Human lives matter more than property. And let’s not forget that Yemen has recently experienced a brutal blockade like the people of Gaza. Does it? Interesting. Cheering for the killing of some civilians is better than cheering for the killing of other civilians. Awesome. I don't support but understand why Israel is doing what it is doing. There ya go.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 9:59:09 GMT -5
It certainly beats “cheering for genocide” as some pro-Israel advocates are doing. Human lives matter more than property. And let’s not forget that Yemen has recently experienced a brutal blockade like the people of Gaza. Does it? Interesting. Cheering for the killing of some civilians is better than cheering for the killing of other civilians. Awesome. I don't support but understand why Israel is doing what it is doing. There ya go. Who has been killed by Yemen’s Houthis? What civilians? They’ve damaged and re-routed some ships. It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. I’m old enough to remember when many of you were willing to pay higher gas prices to punish Russia for invading Ukraine.
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Post by summer23 on Jan 6, 2024 10:03:24 GMT -5
Does it? Interesting. Cheering for the killing of some civilians is better than cheering for the killing of other civilians. Awesome. I don't support but understand why Israel is doing what it is doing. There ya go. Who has been killed by Yemen’s Houthis? What civilians? They’ve damaged and re-routed some ships. It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. I’m old enough to remember when many of you were willing to pay higher gas prices to punish Russia for invading Ukraine. It is attacking civilian ships in international waters. You can defend them all you want. Your moral high ground is unsteady.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 10:10:43 GMT -5
Who has been killed by Yemen’s Houthis? What civilians? They’ve damaged and re-routed some ships. It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. I’m old enough to remember when many of you were willing to pay higher gas prices to punish Russia for invading Ukraine. It is attacking civilian ships in international waters. You can defend them all you want. Your moral high ground is unsteady. If you’re an apologist for Israel, you have no standing to use the term “moral high ground”. You’ve lost your morality if you feel the need to rationalize killing women and children at the rate Israel has been doing.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 6, 2024 10:14:37 GMT -5
Does it? Interesting. Cheering for the killing of some civilians is better than cheering for the killing of other civilians. Awesome. I don't support but understand why Israel is doing what it is doing. There ya go. It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. No, it is driving up shipping costs globally. We're talking about the Suez Canal not some local backwater. Your ignorance aside, it is a big deal.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 6, 2024 10:15:27 GMT -5
Who has been killed by Yemen’s Houthis? What civilians? They’ve damaged and re-routed some ships. It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. I’m old enough to remember when many of you were willing to pay higher gas prices to punish Russia for invading Ukraine. It is attacking civilian ships in international waters. You can defend them all you want. Your moral high ground is unsteady. That dude ceded the moral high ground years ago.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 10:17:35 GMT -5
It is costing Israel and some other countries more money to transport goods in the region. Big deal. No, it is driving up shipping costs globally. We're talking about the Suez Canal not some local backwater. Your ignorance aside, it is a big deal. Just like economic sanctions on our adversaries. Poor countries like Yemen don't control international banking like our country does so they're using other means to apply economic pressure for political purposes. Your outrage is selective like your empathy...
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 6, 2024 10:21:11 GMT -5
No, it is driving up shipping costs globally. We're talking about the Suez Canal not some local backwater. Your ignorance aside, it is a big deal. Just like economic sanctions on our adversaries. Poor countries like Yemen don't control international banking like our country does so they're using other means to apply economic pressure for political purposes. Your outrage is selective like your empathy... Your defense of Iranian backed terrorists groups is morally repugnant.
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