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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 17:32:07 GMT -5
They’re targeting cargo ships heading to Israel. It’s already affecting Israel’s economy. Ok, now you're lying. I just gave you three examples of specific ships targeted that were not headed to Israel and you decided to completely disregard that factual information and perpetuate the exact same false statement. If that isn't lying. Nothing is. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re intentionally ignoring their explanation for why they’re doing it. Like Ukrainians, they have “agency” and have clearly explained why they’re doing this…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 6, 2024 17:44:57 GMT -5
Ok, now you're lying. I just gave you three examples of specific ships targeted that were not headed to Israel and you decided to completely disregard that factual information and perpetuate the exact same false statement. If that isn't lying. Nothing is. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re intentionally ignoring their explanation for why they’re doing it. Like Ukrainians, they have “agency” and have clearly explained why they’re doing this… No, I'm not. Comparing these people to Ukrainians who are fighting off Putin's genocidal invasion and trying to forge an independent democracy is beyond offensive. It is obnoxious. Are Ukrainians going out and targeting commercial ships in international waters? No, they're not. ACTUALLY, IN THAT CONFLICT IT IS RUSSIA THAT HAS INTERFERED WITH MERCHANT SHIPS IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS INCLUDING THE PLACEMENT OF MINES IN INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING LANES. As I have said before, you are a daily, walking, talking example of how blind adherence to dogma and anti-Western ideology can lead one to lose his/her moral compass.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 6, 2024 17:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by kandace on Jan 6, 2024 21:39:44 GMT -5
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summer23
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There is no path to peace. Peace IS the path.
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Post by summer23 on Jan 6, 2024 21:54:45 GMT -5
One of the most hate filled men around. I get why you like him. He is anti-Israel. Anti-U.S.A. and pro-Islam.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 10, 2024 8:14:53 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 10, 2024 19:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 17:32:24 GMT -5
Rumors circulating that the US and British strikes are imminent
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 18:02:34 GMT -5
Rumors circulating that the US and British strikes are imminent Stupid. - A ceasefire in Gaza is the less costly/risky path to resolving this problem. - What will they do when the attacks continue after these strikes? The'lly just end up looking 'weak' for not being able to protect the Red Sea traffic. FWIW, the strikes on similar groups in Iraq and Syria haven't deterred them from attacking our military bases.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 18:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 18:53:44 GMT -5
Rumors circulating that the US and British strikes are imminent Stupid. - A ceasefire in Gaza is the less costly/risky path to resolving this problem. - What will they do when the attacks continue after these strikes? The'lly just end up looking 'weak' for not being able to protect the Red Sea traffic. FWIW, the strikes on similar groups in Iraq and Syria haven't deterred them from attacking our military bases. Not really These are Iraninan-backed terrorist attacks against commercial ships in the one of the world's busiest international waterways and they've been going on unanswered for weeks.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 18:54:27 GMT -5
The United States and the United Kingdom have apparently launched attacks against multiple targets in Houthi controlled Yemen.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 19:09:58 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 19:17:51 GMT -5
Stupid. - A ceasefire in Gaza is the less costly/risky path to resolving this problem. - What will they do when the attacks continue after these strikes? The'lly just end up looking 'weak' for not being able to protect the Red Sea traffic. FWIW, the strikes on similar groups in Iraq and Syria haven't deterred them from attacking our military bases. Not really These are Iraninan-backed terrorist attacks against commercial ships in the one of the world's busiest international waterways and they've been going on unanswered for weeks. The prior attacks have not gone “unanswered”. Just two weeks ago, the US navy killed 10 Houthi fighters in small boats. It’s naive to think airstrikes alone will stop the Houthis given what they overcame during a decade of war against the Saudis and UAE.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 19:20:06 GMT -5
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Post by guido2 on Jan 11, 2024 19:22:54 GMT -5
Well finally...... The adults in the room are finally saying sit down and shut up..... or else.
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Post by guido2 on Jan 11, 2024 19:27:58 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 19:32:46 GMT -5
It’s 100% true. A ceasefire in Gaza would be less costly than spending $100 million on airstrikes that are unlikely to succeed at deterring the Houthis. The so called “adults” who learned nothing from the Iraq war or the recent war in Yemen, simply don’t learn from past mistakes in the Middle East…
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Post by WKDWZD on Jan 11, 2024 19:38:31 GMT -5
The United States and the United Kingdom have apparently launched attacks against multiple targets in Houthi controlled Yemen. I expected this from the US, but WTF is the UK taking this route, we've already taken economic hits and this is only going to exacerbate them. And still the genocide goes on, and on.
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Post by WKDWZD on Jan 11, 2024 19:40:34 GMT -5
Well finally...... The adults in the room are finally saying sit down and shut up..... or else. "Adults"? My arse!
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 19:41:13 GMT -5
The United States and the United Kingdom have apparently launched attacks against multiple targets in Houthi controlled Yemen. I expected this from the US, but WTF is the UK taking this route, we've already taken economic hits and this is only going to exacerbate them. And still the genocide goes on, and on. Partners in imperialism. Your country handed us the keys to the Middle East after WWII.
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Post by guido2 on Jan 11, 2024 19:44:34 GMT -5
It’s 100% true. A ceasefire in Gaza would be less costly than spending $100 million on airstrikes that are unlikely to succeed at deterring the Houthis. The so called “adults” who learned nothing from the Iraq war or the recent war in Yemen, simply don’t learn from past mistakes in the Middle East… Ahhh, are we talking about the Yemens attacking independent shipping? Or are we talking about Gaza. I guess you weren't paying attention, but the venue of the debate shifted.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 19:52:31 GMT -5
Not really These are Iraninan-backed terrorist attacks against commercial ships in the one of the world's busiest international waterways and they've been going on unanswered for weeks. The prior attacks have not gone “unanswered”. Just two weeks ago, the US navy killed 10 Houthi fighters in small boats. I actually laughed out loud. That's the most stupid thing you've ever posted. How dare US Navy personnel operating in international waters protect their vessels from an ongoing attack.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 19:53:30 GMT -5
If you go back through this thread you'll find that Soul has taken his stand with terrorists launching attacks against merchant vessels operating in international shipping lanes.
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 19:58:06 GMT -5
It’s 100% true. A ceasefire in Gaza would be less costly than spending $100 million on airstrikes that are unlikely to succeed at deterring the Houthis. The so called “adults” who learned nothing from the Iraq war or the recent war in Yemen, simply don’t learn from past mistakes in the Middle East… Ahhh, are we talking about the Yemens attacking independent shipping? Or are we talking about Gaza. I guess you weren't paying attention, but the venue of the debate shifted. The fighters in Yemen are forcing ships to re-route around the Red Sea. They say they will stop when there’s a ceasefire in Gaza. Hence why it makes more sense to go the diplomatic route than the route that hasn’t worked for the last eight years…
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 20:00:04 GMT -5
The prior attacks have not gone “unanswered”. Just two weeks ago, the US navy killed 10 Houthi fighters in small boats. I actually laughed out loud. That's the most stupid thing you've ever posted. How dare US Navy personnel operating in international waters protect their vessels from an ongoing attack. YOU SAID THEIR ATTACKS WENT “unanswered”. I explained why your comment was inaccurate. Aside from that, the US and our allies have been bombing Yemen for years going back to the Obama administration. The Houthis are tough as nails.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 20:05:37 GMT -5
I expected this from the US, but WTF is the UK taking this route, we've already taken economic hits and this is only going to exacerbate them. And still the genocide goes on, and on. Partners in imperialism. Your country handed us the keys to the Middle East after WWII.\ Protecting internationally flagged merchant vessels in international waters is not imperialism, it is enforcing a concept known as freedom of the seas which goes back centuries in terms of customs and was codified in as the law of the seas by treaty going back to the 1950s
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 20:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Jan 11, 2024 20:13:23 GMT -5
Partners in imperialism. Your country handed us the keys to the Middle East after WWII.\ Protecting internationally flagged merchant vessels in international waters is not imperialism, it is enforcing a concept known as freedom of the seas which goes back centuries in terms of customs and was codified in as the law of the seas by treaty going back to the 1950s So why not let other countries lead? Why is it always the US and UK leading when it comes to the Middle East? Speaking of the 1950’s, the US and UK overthrew Iran’s democratically elected President in 1953 and the region hasn’t been the same since then…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Jan 11, 2024 20:19:29 GMT -5
Protecting internationally flagged merchant vessels in international waters is not imperialism, it is enforcing a concept known as freedom of the seas which goes back centuries in terms of customs and was codified in as the law of the seas by treaty going back to the 1950s So why not let other countries lead? Why is it always the US and UK leading when it comes to the Middle East? Speaking of the 1950’s, the US and UK overthrew Iran’s democratically elected President in 1953 and the region hasn’t been the same since then… Soul Diversion +4 'Soul Diversion' (noun) - the number of posts about an international issue before Soul will find some way to blame the U.S. In this case, something our CIA did in 1953. --- Let's play this out... We should just let Houthi terrorists send merchant ships to the bottom of the Red Sea and disrupt the global economy because of something the Dulles' brothers did back in the 1950s?
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