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Post by pickle20 on Apr 4, 2024 10:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by vosa on Apr 4, 2024 10:54:13 GMT -5
If Iran has bases at strategic locations inside Israel some heads are going to roll at Mossad.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 4, 2024 10:57:01 GMT -5
I think that sentence is worded poorly. The bases are not inside Israel, but the drones will fire missiles at strategic locations inside Israel. At least that's how I interpreted it.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 4, 2024 10:58:02 GMT -5
Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria unprovoked.
Attacking an embassy or consulate is a no-no in terms of international relations. Israel crossed the line.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 4, 2024 11:01:52 GMT -5
Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria unprovoked. Attacking an embassy or consulate is a no-no in terms of international relations. Israel crossed the line. Any other country would respond to Israel's act of war, why shouldn't Iran? Don't blame Iran for this one, blame Israel.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 4, 2024 11:04:35 GMT -5
I agree. When you strike against another sovereign nation, kill their generals, destroy a consulate, those types of actions are igniters for war.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 4, 2024 12:18:17 GMT -5
Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria unprovoked. Unprovoked?
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Post by soulflower on Apr 4, 2024 12:49:10 GMT -5
Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria unprovoked. Unprovoked? Yes. Neither Syria nor Iran are at war with Israel. Israel, which has bombed Syria routinely for the last several years, and has assassinated people in Iran, frequently provokes them. But even if they were at war, it would still be a violation of international law to bomb an embassy or consulate. What happened to the "Rules-based Order" that Secretary Tony Blinken frequently cited before October 7th? It no longer applies so long as Israel needs to quench their thirst for revenge?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 4, 2024 17:30:34 GMT -5
Yes. Neither Syria nor Iran are at war with Israel. Israel, which has bombed Syria routinely for the last several years, and has assassinated people in Iran, frequently provokes them. But even if they were at war, it would still be a violation of international law to bomb an embassy or consulate. What happened to the "Rules-based Order" that Secretary Tony Blinken frequently cited before October 7th? It no longer applies so long as Israel needs to quench their thirst for revenge? So, in your bizarro world view, Poland voluntarily joining a defensive alliance is a 'provocation' against Putin which led him to invade Ukraine but Iran arming, financing, and coordinating proxies who have routinely lobbed rockets into Israel is not a 'provocation'? How is Iran arming terrorist groups whose stated purpose is wiping a sovereign nation 'off the map' the 'rules-based order'? There's a word for this type of argument... hypocritical.
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Post by vosa on Apr 4, 2024 18:04:37 GMT -5
I think that sentence is worded poorly. The bases are not inside Israel, but the drones will fire missiles at strategic locations inside Israel. At least that's how I interpreted it. You're too kind. I wasn't poorly worded, it was flat out wrong.
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Post by ishmael on Apr 4, 2024 19:29:49 GMT -5
If the battle of poorly constructed sentences is over, has Israel said why they developed a case of the stupids and attacked a consulate?
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Post by augustwest on Apr 4, 2024 22:00:18 GMT -5
Israel attacked Iran's embassy in Syria unprovoked. Attacking an embassy or consulate is a no-no in terms of international relations. Israel crossed the line. We need to cut them off. Today.
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Post by vosa on Apr 5, 2024 5:54:05 GMT -5
Yes. Neither Syria nor Iran are at war with Israel. Israel, which has bombed Syria routinely for the last several years, and has assassinated people in Iran, frequently provokes them. But even if they were at war, it would still be a violation of international law to bomb an embassy or consulate. What happened to the "Rules-based Order" that Secretary Tony Blinken frequently cited before October 7th? It no longer applies so long as Israel needs to quench their thirst for revenge? So, in your bizarro world view, Poland voluntarily joining a defensive alliance is a 'provocation' against Putin which led him to invade Ukraine but Iran arming, financing, and coordinating proxies who have routinely lobbed rockets into Israel is not a 'provocation'? How is Iran arming terrorist groups whose stated purpose is wiping a sovereign nation 'off the map' the 'rules-based order'? There's a word for this type of argument... hypocritical. There must be some kind of weird alignment of the planets and stars because I agree with you....again! There are those here who throw reason, common sense and logic to the wind and attempt to convince people that even thought Iran through their proxies Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are constantly attacking Israel with rockets, suicide bombers and terrorist raids no one wants to eliminate the State of Israel. That not only hypocritical, it's mendacious.
And in war 'rules-based order' simply doesn't exist.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 5, 2024 6:22:33 GMT -5
Yes. Neither Syria nor Iran are at war with Israel. Israel, which has bombed Syria routinely for the last several years, and has assassinated people in Iran, frequently provokes them. But even if they were at war, it would still be a violation of international law to bomb an embassy or consulate. What happened to the "Rules-based Order" that Secretary Tony Blinken frequently cited before October 7th? It no longer applies so long as Israel needs to quench their thirst for revenge? So, in your bizarro world view, Poland voluntarily joining a defensive alliance is a 'provocation' against Putin which led him to invade Ukraine but Iran arming, financing, and coordinating proxies who have routinely lobbed rockets into Israel is not a 'provocation'? How is Iran arming terrorist groups whose stated purpose is wiping a sovereign nation 'off the map' the 'rules-based order'? There's a word for this type of argument... hypocritical. There's no circumstance where it's "okay" to bomb a country's embassies. Even countries that are your adversaries. Even if the embassy is used for espionage. Never thought I'd see the day when I have to explain basic international relations to a self-described Liberal who protested against the Iraq war.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 5, 2024 6:26:32 GMT -5
If the battle of poorly constructed sentences is over, has Israel said why they developed a case of the stupids and attacked a consulate? My guess is, they're trying to bait Iran or Hezbollah into a regional war. There is reportedly debate among Israel's war cabinet over whether they should or shouldn't expand the war to Lebanon. The hardliners in Israel want to invade Lebanon again. Haaretz: Netanyahu Must Resist the Messianic Bullies and Avert a Third Lebanon War
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Post by ishmael on Apr 5, 2024 13:35:41 GMT -5
If the battle of poorly constructed sentences is over, has Israel said why they developed a case of the stupids and attacked a consulate? My guess is, they're trying to bait Iran or Hezbollah into a regional war. There is reportedly debate among Israel's war cabinet over whether they should or shouldn't expand the war to Lebanon. The hardliners in Israel want to invade Lebanon again. Haaretz: Netanyahu Must Resist the Messianic Bullies and Avert a Third Lebanon War I would find that very hard to believe, though I cannot dismiss it out of hand.
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Post by kandace on Apr 5, 2024 13:39:13 GMT -5
I would find that very hard to believe, though I cannot dismiss it out of hand. To paraphrase the ancient Greeks - Those whom God would destroy, He first drives mad.
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Post by vosa on Apr 5, 2024 14:27:14 GMT -5
So, in your bizarro world view, Poland voluntarily joining a defensive alliance is a 'provocation' against Putin which led him to invade Ukraine but Iran arming, financing, and coordinating proxies who have routinely lobbed rockets into Israel is not a 'provocation'? How is Iran arming terrorist groups whose stated purpose is wiping a sovereign nation 'off the map' the 'rules-based order'? There's a word for this type of argument... hypocritical. There's no circumstance where it's "okay" to bomb a country's embassies. Even countries that are your adversaries. Even if the embassy is used for espionage. Never thought I'd see the day when I have to explain basic international relations to a self-described Liberal who protested against the Iraq war. Read it and weep.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 5, 2024 14:30:53 GMT -5
There's no circumstance where it's "okay" to bomb a country's embassies. Even countries that are your adversaries. Even if the embassy is used for espionage. Never thought I'd see the day when I have to explain basic international relations to a self-described Liberal who protested against the Iraq war. Read it and weep. So you would be OK if the US consulate in a foreign country was bombed and our generals killed because that country believed we were planning something nefarious against them?
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Post by vosa on Apr 5, 2024 14:46:28 GMT -5
So you would be OK if the US consulate in a foreign country was bombed and our generals killed because that country believed we were planning something nefarious against them? Where have you been since 1985? Iran has done much more vis-a-vis Israel than planning something nefarious.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 5, 2024 16:47:13 GMT -5
So you would be OK if the US consulate in a foreign country was bombed and our generals killed because that country believed we were planning something nefarious against them? I would think that the new US Embassy in Jerusalem would now be a legitimate target, by vosa's rules. But he won't answer your question, he'll just ask you another dumb one.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 5, 2024 16:55:17 GMT -5
If the battle of poorly constructed sentences is over, has Israel said why they developed a case of the stupids and attacked a consulate? My guess is, they're trying to bait Iran or Hezbollah into a regional war. I think it is far more straightforward than that. They're tired of Iran backing Hezbollah with money and weapons as Hezbollah continually lobs missiles into northern Israel. I don't want a regional war either but Israel isn't the bad guy in this particular case.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 5, 2024 17:05:45 GMT -5
My guess is, they're trying to bait Iran or Hezbollah into a regional war. I think it is far more straightforward than that. They're tired of Iran backing Hezbollah with money and weapons as Hezbollah continually lobs missiles into northern Israel. I don't want a regional war either but Israel isn't the bad guy in this particular case. Bombing a sovereign nations embassy is, by any standard an act of war. How can you possibly deduce that Israel isn't the bad guy in this case? Cripes, are you turning into Jerusalem Joe.?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 5, 2024 18:40:00 GMT -5
I think it is far more straightforward than that. They're tired of Iran backing Hezbollah with money and weapons as Hezbollah continually lobs missiles into northern Israel. I don't want a regional war either but Israel isn't the bad guy in this particular case. Bombing a sovereign nations embassy is, by any standard an act of war. How can you possibly deduce that Israel isn't the bad guy in this case? Cripes, are you turning into Jerusalem Joe.? No, I just understand that Iran backs a terrorist organization that continually attacks Israel.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 6, 2024 7:47:22 GMT -5
Bombing a sovereign nations embassy is, by any standard an act of war. How can you possibly deduce that Israel isn't the bad guy in this case? Cripes, are you turning into Jerusalem Joe.? No, I just understand that Iran backs a terrorist organization that continually attacks Israel. Look up the origins of Hezbollah. The organization wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t invade and occupy Lebanon. Israel is their own worst enemy. They don’t know how to do anything but mass murder civilians and create enemies.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 6, 2024 7:56:36 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 6, 2024 10:03:54 GMT -5
No, I just understand that Iran backs a terrorist organization that continually attacks Israel. Look up the origins of Hezbollah. The organization wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t invade and occupy Lebanon. Israel is their own worst enemy. They don’t know how to do anything but mass murder civilians and create enemies. Ok, you're letting your hatred get the better of you again.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 6, 2024 15:40:50 GMT -5
Look up the origins of Hezbollah. The organization wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t invade and occupy Lebanon. Israel is their own worst enemy. They don’t know how to do anything but mass murder civilians and create enemies. Ok, you're letting your hatred get the better of you again. And your bang out of order with that statement. It's just a crass attempt to shut down his valid opinion.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 6, 2024 16:16:26 GMT -5
Look up the origins of Hezbollah. The organization wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t invade and occupy Lebanon. Israel is their own worst enemy. They don’t know how to do anything but mass murder civilians and create enemies. Ok, you're letting your hatred get the better of you again. Projection. You’re projecting your own anti-Arab/Muslim biases onto me. The fact is that Israel has been routinely bombing Lebanon and Syria for the last several years. The back and forth shelling between Hezbollah and Israel are nothing new. What’s new and unreasonable is Israel’s escalation by bombing an Iranian consulate and killing Iranian diplomats. They are trying to drag the Iranians into a regional war to help save netanyahu’s rear end. Hopefully the Iranians are smart enough not to take Israel’s bait…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 6, 2024 16:53:59 GMT -5
Ok, you're letting your hatred get the better of you again. Projection. You’re projecting your own anti-Arab/Muslim biases onto me. The fact is that Israel has been routinely bombing Lebanon and Syria for the last several years. The back and forth shelling between Hezbollah and Israel are nothing new. Hopefully the Iranians are smart enough not to take Israel’s bait… I don't have an anti-Arab/Muslim bias. I do have a problem with terrorists. The simple truth is that on October 8 Hezbollah launched rocket attacks onto Israeli territory. It is also true that Israel has been forced to evacuate its citizens from near the border with Lebanon. www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-strikes-lebanon-after-hezbollah-hits-shebaa-farms-2023-10-08/What’s new and unreasonable is Israel’s escalation by bombing an Iranian consulate and killing Iranian diplomats. 1. Diplomats? Not much for accuracy are you? They are trying to drag the Iranians into a regional war to help save netanyahu’s rear end. You're wrong. Iran has been stoking the wider regional war via its proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis
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