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Post by guido2 on Apr 13, 2024 17:56:19 GMT -5
We now return to our regularly scheduled programming To be replaced tomorrow during Jury selection for TFGs case.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 13, 2024 17:58:39 GMT -5
It appears that both the British Airforce and the US military engaged to help Israel ward off these attacks
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Post by soulflower on Apr 13, 2024 18:08:24 GMT -5
We are all fortunate that Iran's leaders are more restrained than Israel's
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Post by summer23 on Apr 13, 2024 18:35:45 GMT -5
We are all fortunate that Iran's leaders are more restrained than Israel's Ah. They were restrained but not for the reason you want to give them credit for.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 13, 2024 18:59:15 GMT -5
The drones and missiles appear to be causing some damage in Israel.
Iron Dome appears to have been overwhelmed ahead of the ballistic missile strikes.
Hopefully President Biden is using back channels to communicate with Iran and de-escalate. Also, Israel needs to be discouraged from further escalation (their attack on Iran’s embassy was an escalation which Iran is now responding to).
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Post by soulflower on Apr 13, 2024 19:10:20 GMT -5
I did not have the Rapture on my 2024 Bingo card
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Post by soulflower on Apr 13, 2024 19:22:15 GMT -5
Difficult to know at this point how much damage the strikes caused at this point. Israel’s defense spokesman seems to suggest it was minimal. Hopefully that’s a way for Israel to not escalate things further.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 13, 2024 22:40:58 GMT -5
So now more Republicans are clamoring to get aid to Israel on the floor.
The fastest way to do that is to simply pass the bill that got 70 votes in the senate.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 1:55:34 GMT -5
Israel unironically wants the UN Security Council to condemn the retaliatory attack. 😂
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Post by vosa on Apr 14, 2024 11:24:25 GMT -5
Israel unironically wants the UN Security Council to condemn the retaliatory attack. 😂 I suspect China and/or Russia will vote "No" or abstain.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 12:45:58 GMT -5
It's hard to paint yourself as staunchly pro-Israel when you've been blocking aid to Israel (and Ukraine) since October.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 13:39:23 GMT -5
It's hard to paint yourself as staunchly pro-Israel when you've been blocking aid to Israel (and Ukraine) since October. Ignore the polls if you want but members of Congress work for their constituents. There are legit reasons to oppose aid to Israel. There are legit reasons to oppose aid to Ukraine. Each issue should be voted on separately. Combining them into one bill is why it hasn’t passed in Congress yet.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 14:34:02 GMT -5
It's hard to paint yourself as staunchly pro-Israel when you've been blocking aid to Israel (and Ukraine) since October. Each issue should be voted on separately. Combining them into one bill is why it hasn’t passed in Congress yet. Hogwash The combined supplemental appropriations bill got 70 votes in the Senate. 22 GOP Senators voted for the combined approach. The bill has the support of a bi-partisan majority in the House. The reason it hasn't passed is because Johnson, fearful for his job, has been cowed by Trump and a minority of MAGA extremists, has refused to even put it on the floor for a debate and a vote. If that bill was put up for debate on Tuesday it would pass on Wednesday with anywhere between 225 and 320 yes votes. Ignore the polls if you want but members of Congress work for their constituents. It is stupid to base national security decisions on the latest opinion poll. There are legit reasons to oppose aid to Ukraine. I can't think of any. On the other hand, the reprecussions of handing Putin a victory in Ukraine will be devastating and ripple out over the course of decades.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 14:47:19 GMT -5
Each issue should be voted on separately. Combining them into one bill is why it hasn’t passed in Congress yet. Hogwash The combined supplemental appropriations bill got 70 votes in the Senate. 22 GOP Senators voted for the combined approach. The bill has the support of a bi-partisan majority in the House. The reason it hasn't passed is because Johnson, fearful for his job, has been cowed by Trump and a minority of MAGA extremists, has refused to even put it on the floor for a debate and a vote. If that bill was put up for debate on Tuesday it would pass on Wednesday with anywhere between 225 and 320 yes votes. Ignore the polls if you want but members of Congress work for their constituents. It is stupid to base national security decisions on the latest opinion poll. There are legit reasons to oppose aid to Ukraine. I can't think of any. On the other hand, the reprecussions of handing Putin a victory in Ukraine will be devastating and ripple out over the course of decades. People will forget about it in a few months just like they forgot about our withdrawal from Afghanistan. Ukraine is not that important to us. It’s more important to Russia and that’s why they’re all-in. Eastern Europe is not a vital national security interest for the US. Our foreign policy focus is largely on the Middle East, China, and North Korea…
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 15:39:38 GMT -5
Hogwash The combined supplemental appropriations bill got 70 votes in the Senate. 22 GOP Senators voted for the combined approach. The bill has the support of a bi-partisan majority in the House. The reason it hasn't passed is because Johnson, fearful for his job, has been cowed by Trump and a minority of MAGA extremists, has refused to even put it on the floor for a debate and a vote. If that bill was put up for debate on Tuesday it would pass on Wednesday with anywhere between 225 and 320 yes votes. It is stupid to base national security decisions on the latest opinion poll. I can't think of any. On the other hand, the reprecussions of handing Putin a victory in Ukraine will be devastating and ripple out over the course of decades. People will forget about it in a few months just like they forgot about our withdrawal from Afghanistan. A stunning lack of historical perspective right there, folks. If you and the Marjorie Taylor Greene's of the country get their way and we abandon Ukraine, the geopolitical fallout will go on for decades and it will not be good for either the United States or our allies. Far more significant than our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 16:03:41 GMT -5
Israel’s belligerence is making the world less safe. Long past time for Biden to stand up to Netanyahu like Obama did. Bibi is not his friend.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 14, 2024 16:53:57 GMT -5
Israel’s belligerence is making the world less safe. Long past time for Biden to stand up to Netanyahu like Obama did. Bibi is not his friend. Do you think this guy posted something like, "Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked"? Or have we forgotten already?
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 16:58:12 GMT -5
Israel’s belligerence is making the world less safe. Long past time for Biden to stand up to Netanyahu like Obama did. Bibi is not his friend. Do you think this guy posted something like, "Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked"? Or have we forgotten already? Did you watch the video? Any comment? This topic is about Israel attacking Iran and Iran's response, not Hamas. There's different thread about Israel and Hamas.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 14, 2024 17:49:48 GMT -5
Do you think this guy posted something like, "Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked"? Or have we forgotten already? Did you watch the video? Any comment? This topic is about Israel attacking Iran and Iran's response, not Hamas. There's different thread about Israel and Hamas. Yes. My comment is that if don't want threads to conflate a specific topic - you should not do so. And you do.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 18:00:42 GMT -5
Did you watch the video? Any comment? This topic is about Israel attacking Iran and Iran's response, not Hamas. There's different thread about Israel and Hamas. Yes. My comment is that if don't want threads to conflate a specific topic - you should not do so. And you do. So you have nothing interesting to comment on about the topic. Got it.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 18:02:44 GMT -5
Do you think this guy posted something like, "Hamas attacked Israel unprovoked"? Or have we forgotten already? Did you watch the video? Any comment? This topic is about Israel attacking Iran and Iran's response, not Hamas. There's different thread about Israel and Hamas. But Iran and Hamas are joined at the hip
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 18:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by summer23 on Apr 14, 2024 18:38:00 GMT -5
Yes. My comment is that if don't want threads to conflate a specific topic - you should not do so. And you do. So you have nothing interesting to comment on about the topic. Got it. You had nothing interesting to comment about it.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 14, 2024 18:39:51 GMT -5
Did you watch the video? Any comment? This topic is about Israel attacking Iran and Iran's response, not Hamas. There's different thread about Israel and Hamas. But Iran and Hamas are joined at the hip The Hamas-Iran Relationship As details emerge of potential direct links to the attack on Israel, one thing is clear: Hamas would not have been able to plan and conduct such an operation without years of Iranian training, Iranian weapons, and hundreds of millions of dollars in Iranian funding. In the weeks since the Hamas massacre on October 7, pundits have debated whether or not Iran helped Hamas develop the plan for the terrorist assault and if Iran had foreknowledge of the attack. Citing a Hamas source, the Wall Street Journal reported that Iran helped plot the attack and that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp gave it the go-ahead at a meeting in Beirut. Another Journal report claims that in the weeks leading up to the assault, hundreds of Hamas and other Islamist militants received specialized training in Iran. Iran, for its part, denied playing any role in the attack, and US intelligence suggests that the Hamas attack surprised Iran, undermining the theory it played a direct role in planning or training operatives for the plot. Ultimately, the details of Iran’s role in the plot itself will emerge. But this much is already clear: Iran has funded, armed, trained, and provided intelligence to Hamas for decades. Though Hamas has multiple income streams, funding from Iran has been especially important for the group’s military and terrorist structures... www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/hamas-iran-relationshipjstribune.com/levitt-the-hamas-iran-relationship/
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 19:23:00 GMT -5
But Iran and Hamas are joined at the hip Hamas is Sunni. Iran is Shia. And I just had a burger and fries for dinner.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 19:23:17 GMT -5
Hamas and Iran are not “joined at the hip”. Ask Syria’s Bashar Assad. He hasn’t forgiven Hamas still. www.newarab.com/news/hamas-may-reopen-damascus-office-despite-assad-criticism’Israel knew of Hamas’ October 7th plans a year in advance’
“Israel knew about a Hamas plan to strike the nation more than a year before the militant group launched its deadly surprise attack Oct. 7, The New York Times reported Thursday.
According to the Times, Israeli military and intelligence officials saw the plan as ambitious and thought it would be too hard for Hamas to pull off.
The Times said a document, code-named “Jericho Wall” by Israeli authorities, laid out an incursion like the one that sparked the current war between Israel and Hamas but did not point to a date for the attack. However, it did reportedly outline an assault that had an aim to overpower fortifications around Gaza, among other actions.
Hamas’s assault last month followed the plan quite closely to the blueprint, which was distributed on a large scale amongst Israeli military and intelligence leaders, the Times noted.“thehill.com/homenews/senate/4337115-israel-hamas-attack-plan/US intel says Iran was caught by surprise on October 7th. They didn’t know of Hamas’ plans. Stop deflecting criticism away from Israel. They’re not innocent .
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 19:23:59 GMT -5
Yes. My comment is that if don't want threads to conflate a specific topic - you should not do so. And you do. So you have nothing interesting to comment on about the topic. Got it. There's not much interesting about an asshat on Youtube brought to via a random twitter account
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 19:26:47 GMT -5
So you have nothing interesting to comment on about the topic. Got it. There's not much interesting about an asshat on Youtube brought to via a random twitter account And he’s a thousand times more spot-on than the neoconservative columnists you Stan for. What part of his rant do you disagree with? What was he wrong about?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 14, 2024 19:29:07 GMT -5
There's not much interesting about an asshat on Youtube brought to via a random twitter account And he’s a thousand times more spot-on than the neoconservative columnists you Stan for. What part of his rant do you disagree with? What was he wrong about? Do you check under your bed for neoconservatives every night? I don't waste my time watching your garbage videos although I do wonder if you get paid by the click
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Post by soulflower on Apr 14, 2024 19:32:47 GMT -5
And he’s a thousand times more spot-on than the neoconservative columnists you Stan for. What part of his rant do you disagree with? What was he wrong about? Do you check under your bed for neoconservatives every night? I don't waste my time watching your garbage videos although I do wonder if you get paid by the click No. You'd rather be misled by credentialed BS'ers like David Frum who is unapologetic about the lies he told to lobby for the Iraq war.
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