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Post by soulflower on Mar 27, 2023 10:01:22 GMT -5
Certainly seems that way in his Twitter post this AM
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2023 10:11:01 GMT -5
He can demand a trade all he wants but he is still under Ravens team control for the time being. All this whining and posturing is only hurting his value.
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Post by soulflower on Mar 27, 2023 10:13:56 GMT -5
I think his value has been hurt mostly by his time spent injured on the DL the last two seasons. Can't expect much guaranteed money when you miss so many games.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2023 10:19:09 GMT -5
I think his value has been hurt mostly by his time spent injured on the DL the last two seasons. Can't expect much guaranteed money when you miss so many games. Injuries and mediocre play. He was having a decent 2022 season but he wasn't very good in 2021. I still can't believe Cleveland gave Watson that deal. It has really thrown a wrench into NFL contract negotiations.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2023 10:24:59 GMT -5
If he made this request 3/2, that is likely why Ravens tagged him non-exlusive which occurred on 3/7.
They're thinking if another team makes him an offer he agrees to, they'll take the 2 number one picks and move on.
I said it since last December that LJ had played his last game as a Raven and so far that prediction is looking like it's correct.
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Post by soulflower on Mar 27, 2023 10:37:00 GMT -5
Justin Fenton says the timing of Lamar's tweet coincided with John Harbaugh's press conference this morning
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Post by upstream on Mar 27, 2023 11:42:23 GMT -5
With a 1-3 playoff record in 5 years??
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Post by up2 on Mar 27, 2023 15:09:00 GMT -5
Certainly seems that way in his Twitter post this AM Good grief! Is this the new Twitter grammar, something typed out in haste, or just poor grammar in general? Not a good look for someone asking $230 million. He should have hired a legitimate agent.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 27, 2023 20:45:41 GMT -5
Good bye, Lamar. Thanks for a year of good football and a few years of watchable football. Mostly.
Next man up.
Jamison Hensley reported that Lamar's demands are seen as unworkable by pretty much every team owner, hence the lack of offers. Evidently he is quite immature.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 27, 2023 20:54:22 GMT -5
I'm ready to move on
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Post by ivanbalt on Mar 28, 2023 6:59:54 GMT -5
I think his value has been hurt mostly by his time spent injured on the DL the last two seasons. Can't expect much guaranteed money when you miss so many games. Seems like a no brainer, but Lamar and the "analysts" don't seem to understand this.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 28, 2023 7:57:32 GMT -5
People forget that in LJ you're getting what can be a top-10 QB and a top-10 RB.
2019 is moving further away from us but that season he was the best QB in the NFL and 6th best RB in the league.
I'd say he's not wrong to want more money than Watson or even a Josh Allen.
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Post by Rael on Mar 28, 2023 8:25:46 GMT -5
People forget that in LJ you're getting what can be a top-10 QB and a top-10 RB. 2019 is moving further away from us but that season he was the best QB in the NFL and 6th best RB in the league. I'd say he's not wrong to want more money than Watson or even a Josh Allen. Over the last 3 seasons do you take Allen or Jackson?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 9:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 28, 2023 10:15:03 GMT -5
People forget that in LJ you're getting what can be a top-10 QB and a top-10 RB. 2019 is moving further away from us but that season he was the best QB in the NFL and 6th best RB in the league. I'd say he's not wrong to want more money than Watson or even a Josh Allen. Over the last 3 seasons do you take Allen or Jackson? Allen.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 28, 2023 13:09:22 GMT -5
With a 1-3 playoff record in 5 years?? And don't let it hit you in the azz.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 28, 2023 13:15:37 GMT -5
Here is an interesting question(s) that I tried to find the answers to. Maybe someone knows. As best I can tell, yes he was tagged. But I understand that he has yet to sign it? My understanding is that the player must sign/agree with the tag. If he hasn't signed then what? Side comment: I bet Lamar ends up being the next Kaepernick. Does he really think that any team/owner is going to touch him now? No matter what deal, he will be complaining it is too low. And he is ..... yup.... being blackballed and there is collusion. No dude. You break like a cheap toy, you are NOT a team player. Joe Theismann was NOT a team guy he was a me guy..... but he actually played his heart out when on the field. UPDATE: I finally found this: Can a Player Refuse the NFL Franchise Tag? Officially, no, players cannot refuse the NFL franchise tag. There are options to try and force the hand of their team, but there is no way to reject the tag and head to free agency. We have seen some players hold out of training camp and preseason. Usually, they will report to the team ahead of the first game of the season.
The most extreme holdout we have seen from a franchise-tagged player was Le’Veon Bell in 2018. The Pittsburgh Steelers tagged Bell for a second straight season. He refused to report to the team and sat out the whole year, which meant he did not receive any salary for the season.
It is worth noting that if a player does sit out the year, the team can tag them again the following year, but it will escalate in cost. Sitting out a year does not mean the NFL team can keep them at the same cost the following season.www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-franchise-tag-what-it-is-how-it-works/
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 28, 2023 14:20:13 GMT -5
People forget that in LJ you're getting what can be a top-10 QB and a top-10 RB. 2019 is moving further away from us but that season he was the best QB in the NFL and 6th best RB in the league. I'd say he's not wrong to want more money than Watson or even a Josh Allen. If hopes and wishes were loaves and fishes... He has potential, but his immaturity is corroding that like acid on copper. Remember when Terrell Owens reached a point where the drama > talent? Lamar is hurtling towards that point. The Ravens haven't given him the best tools to help him shine, but he has come up injured at the very times teams need him the most. We got some good football from him, but trade him (if they can) and move on now. He is not worth the aggravation and they need to solve their QB problem before OTAs, which I assume Lamar would skip in protest. That move would be consistent with his maturity, as well. The Browns were idiots to sign Watson to what is clearly an outlier deal. Clearly, if you have competent representation, that is.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 28, 2023 14:26:32 GMT -5
Watson got signed despite missing a year and being involved with a massive scandal.
Vick was signed after serving time for dog-fighting.
I can think of many, many players who were given many chances to play -- and paid for it. Lamar's "immaturity" is only calcifying owners' stance against a fully guaranteed deal.
Once he takes a step back from his demands -- and he'll have to -- he'll be coveted by half the league if he is truly finished in Baltimore.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 28, 2023 14:45:41 GMT -5
I think his value has been hurt mostly by his time spent injured on the DL the last two seasons. Can't expect much guaranteed money when you miss so many games. Seems like a no brainer, but Lamar and the "analysts" don't seem to understand this. Lets look at this from the common man's level. Suppose you are working for a company and had a 4 year contract. And it is up for renewal. The first year or so you were a super star making all sorts of goals etc etc. Then in the last two years you miss being in the office for 2 days out of the work week. Also when you ARE at least in the office, you are off someplace doing something else.... but no one really knows what (Lamar rehab/sick/covid/whatever)you show up late for meetings or not at all, you refuse to talk to your bosses about what is bugging you, mysteriously get 'sick' with whatever and skip the hard prep work for a presentation and show up on the day of that presentation and BLOW IT. Nor are there for moral support (at least) when a co-worker(s) a making a pitch of some sort. And so on and so on ..... So your contract is now up for renewal. Now tell me. What do you think your worth is to the company.... regardless of what happened earlier on?
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Post by guido2 on Mar 28, 2023 14:52:07 GMT -5
People forget that in LJ you're getting what can be a top-10 QB and a top-10 RB. 2019 is moving further away from us but that season he was the best QB in the NFL and 6th best RB in the league. I'd say he's not wrong to want more money than Watson or even a Josh Allen. If hopes and wishes were loaves and fishes... He has potential, but his immaturity is corroding that like acid on copper. Remember when Terrell Owens reached a point where the drama > talent? Lamar is hurtling towards that point. The Ravens haven't given him the best tools to help him shine, but he has come up injured at the very times teams need him the most. We got some good football from him, but trade him (if they can) and move on now. He is not worth the aggravation and they need to solve their QB problem before OTAs, which I assume Lamar would skip in protest. That move would be consistent with his maturity, as well. The Browns were idiots to sign Watson to what is clearly an outlier deal. Clearly, if you have competent representation, that is. I'm a bit confused. Who had/has/didn't have competent representation? Sure seems Watson did. He got a big paycheck and sat out more than half the season. And if he comes up with a hangnail and can't play will still get paid. I tell you .... the Cleveland is the poster boy for CluFu's with what they did.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 28, 2023 14:57:30 GMT -5
Watson got signed despite missing a year and being involved with a massive scandal. Vick was signed after serving time for dog-fighting. I can think of many, many players who were given many chances to play -- and paid for it. Lamar's "immaturity" is only calcifying owners' stance against a fully guaranteed deal. Once he takes a step back from his demands -- and he'll have to -- he'll be coveted by half the league if he is truly finished in Baltimore.And you know what. I think his pride and his stupidity will prevent that. But say he does. First, would you want this guy who 'might' show up, who 'might' practice hard and play hard being in your locker room to begin with. And, don't you think that the other teams unless desperate or stupid like Cleveland.... would buy into it? I don't think so. Because you are right. The other owners are not going to get dragged down the same rathole that Cleveland put itself into. Ohhh yes .... there will be accusations of collusion and blackballing and all that. But, lets not forget. Businesses fail, and football is a business and the other owners aren't inclined to set themselves up to fail.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 30, 2023 10:06:30 GMT -5
Lamar has basically blackballed himself. Incredibly immature and self-destructive behavior has negated what little leverage he had to begin with. I think he thought he could strong arm the organization into trading him to some team that would give him a fully guaranteed, record contract, but the problem that he doesn't seem to understand is that the league is galvanized against a Watson type of deal. He's not going to win this. Whoever in in his ear, his mom, entourage, whatever, is not doing him favors.
There are only two teams officially left in the running for his services, other than the Ravens. One is Indy - and while the door is slightly ajar, Irsay seems to have nearly closed with his comments the other day. New England was mentioned, but they are now out. Washington, out. The only other team who hasn't ruled him out is Tennessee.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 31, 2023 8:32:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately for Lamar, he's caught in the middle of a philosophical war between players and owners. Players want guaranteed deals to become the norm after Cleveland handed out an idiotic contract to Watson. Owners (outside of Cleveland) don't want this to become the norm. If not for Watson's deal Lamar would be signed by now, either by Baltimore, or another team. A player of his talent level with the skills he has as a passer and a runner, would have gotten him top-level money by now.
Part of me feels for him in that regard, but he's also not helping himself out either.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 31, 2023 9:02:08 GMT -5
Part of me feels for him in that regard, but he's also not helping himself out either. Same. He's got a lot of people giving him bad advice, and a lot of people giving him good advice. Unfortunately, the ones closer to him are the ones doling out the bad advice. His options are dwindling by the day, by the hour. There are really only two teams remotely interested in him outside of the Ravens. One of them just said they will absolutely not give him a fully guaranteed contract. The other hasn't said much either way, and it's hard to tell if they really have any interest. His best option clearly remains signing the offer the Ravens gave him, which would have made him one of the highest paid players in the league and the second most guaranteed money ever. It was more than reasonable. The next best option is to play under the tag and prove his worth. He hasn't proved it the past two years - only raised more questions. His only other option, currently, is to sit out the season, like LeVeon Bell. That worked out *real* well for him. The real question now is, does DeCosta and the Ravens even still want him? It's very interesting to note that yesterday it came out the Ravens made an offer to Baker Mayfield, who ultimately chose Tampa because he felt Lamar would remain in Baltimore and he'd be relegated to a backup. There's no question that the Ravens are looking at alternatives at this point. They know they can't go into the season with Huntley as the starter. They certainly aren't drafting a QB this year, and there aren't many (any) FA qb's out there that they could trot out and be a contender. Really, it's Lamar or a blockbuster trade. DeCosta has shown one thing for sure - that he only wants players that want to be here. Now I don't think Lamar doesn't want to be here - he was just trying to make a stupid, ill-advised power play and it blew up in his face. The relationship is salvageable, but it will take Lamar backing down first, which I don't know would happen.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 31, 2023 9:03:53 GMT -5
Point is, if not for the stupid Watson contract Lamar would have probably been signed last offseason.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 31, 2023 13:31:11 GMT -5
Point is, if not for the stupid Watson contract Lamar would have probably been signed last offseason. I don't think there is any denying that the Watson deal screwed up a lot of things for a long time. If things like Lamar is pulling start tainting enough of the other 'I am a superstar' negotiations start working that way. It won't surprise me if the owners start signing guys to longer contracts out of college which is damn cheaper and when it expires.... regardless of how good the player is.... they wave 'bub-bye, enjoy playing in Canada, or coaching at your old school. '. Again I repeat, the NFL is a business..... and like any business..... a CEO will let go of the most talented people simply to keep expenses in check at the lower levels of the organization and the 1/4 bonus checks at the top. Now, is that a fantasy..... is the reality of the NFL players union, going to court for collusion etc etc going to curtail what I just outlined..... sure a damn possibility. But I bet the owners will try. Fantasy.... more than likely..... but I wouldn't bet against it.
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Post by alienrace on Apr 5, 2023 8:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 5, 2023 8:35:49 GMT -5
I don't buy it for a second.
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Post by guido2 on Apr 9, 2023 19:08:50 GMT -5
I don't buy it for a second. I am kinda using you on the quote to get some attention on an Easter. Ravens sign WR Odell Beckham Jr. to a one-year contractIt will be interesting to see if there’s any reaction from quarterback Lamar Jackson’s camp on the addition of Beckham Jr. Many are waiting with baited breath as to see what the latest updates are surrounding the Ravens’ quarterback situation. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ravens-sign-wr-odell-beckham-jr-to-a-one-year-contract/ar-AA19ETps?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ffcffc41320a4e45986767341316e050&ei=13I have heard good and bad.... he is done.... no he's not. But as the quote outlined. If it is a given that odell is 'the' odell when he comes here. I would have to think, that this is one hell of a motivator to Jackson to decide to stay, and prove his arm (and a bigger contract) because now..... well if 'odell is odell'. But, once again it is a gamble. Justifiable or not, complaints about the receiving corp has never been stellar or even close since the last Super Bowl. Does Jackson gamble that he really was correct, he just had no high caliber receiver's and the addition will be the difference? Or does the gamble backfire? Again if o'dell is o'dell' the Ravens just upped receivers with retreads or good gambles. But who knows. And again who knows what Lamar will accept the whole situation. It creates a matrix of what happens
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