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Post by pickle20 on Oct 24, 2023 14:22:56 GMT -5
You generalize. Everyone generalizes. It is what it is.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 24, 2023 14:24:25 GMT -5
How should Israel respond? Pinpoint targeting of everyone who rises up to take control of Hamas? That didn't end Al Qaida. Granted it did seriously degrade its ability to carry out attacks. And the reason we have generations in Palestine hating Israel is the propaganda put out in the Gaza schools. I think in order to understand that, we need to understand what Hamas wants. What would it take to get Hamas to stop attacking Israel? It isn't its own state. It effectively has that. It isn't an end to "the occupation" - Israel doesn't occupy Gaza. It isn't an end to "apartheid" - that only exists in Palestnian territories, and it's mostly imposed by Hamas. Arabs fully participate in Israeli society and politics. The reverse isn't true in the Palestinian Territories. It isn't improving Palestinian infrastructure. Hamas has had plenty of resources to do exactly that, and won't. Hamas says it wants "From the River to the Sea Palestine shall be free!" In other words, what Hamas says will bring peace is the destruction of Israel. I thought I corrected you on this before. Palestine is not its own state. If it were, why would there be talk (among Israelis and others) of a 2 state solution being desirable? If it was already the case? Duh. Have you ever been to Gaza? I have. It's pretty grim. This is the kind of logic I expect from a MAGA devotee. Simplistic, all black and white. Hamas is evil and needs to be wiped out. That doesn't mean the Israelis--especially under the idiot/indicted Bibi--have been blameless. I doubt that 'he' even possesses a passport or has been much further than his backyard. His posts certainly do not suggest that he is well travelled, or educated.
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Post by vosa on Oct 24, 2023 14:52:40 GMT -5
You generalize. Everyone generalizes. It is what it is. And once again you generalize.
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Post by pickle20 on Oct 25, 2023 6:34:35 GMT -5
You generalize. Everyone generalizes. It is what it is. And once again you generalize. You do too. Take the log out of your eye for once Mr. High and Mighty.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 25, 2023 17:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 25, 2023 23:32:16 GMT -5
So, you support kidnapping people? Or are you just saying that we need to understand the side of the kidnappers?
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 26, 2023 5:23:08 GMT -5
So, you support kidnapping people? Or are you just saying that we need to understand the side of the kidnappers? I don't think that he is saying either. He is just saying that he doesn't think Jewish American criticism of Israel is represented often in the mainstream media.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 26, 2023 6:38:48 GMT -5
So, you support kidnapping people? Or are you just saying that we need to understand the side of the kidnappers? Father and son disagree. When does that ever happen??
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Post by summer23 on Oct 26, 2023 10:32:20 GMT -5
Yesterday at work: A manager told her staff, "I am running to McDonalds and will be back in 20 minutes." A staff member said, "Oh no you don't! You're not going to McDonalds! We are boycotting McDonalds because it's helping Israel!" Manager (first they heard of this), "Can I go to Popeyes?? Are you boycotting them??"
And then it was an afternoon of sitting in HR for all involved.
Lesson: Keep your politics out of your workplace.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 26, 2023 10:37:03 GMT -5
Yesterday at work: A manager told her staff, "I am running to McDonalds and will be back in 20 minutes." A staff member said, "Oh no you don't! You're not going to McDonalds! We are boycotting McDonalds because it's helping Israel!" Manager (first they heard of this), "Can I go to Popeyes?? Are you boycotting them??" And then it was an afternoon of sitting in HR for all involved. Lesson: Keep your politics out of your workplace. True. People should keep politics and religion out of the workplace. That also means, individuals shouldn't be punished by their employers for boycotting Israel.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 26, 2023 13:04:42 GMT -5
Cornel West acknowledges the humanity in both Israelis and Palestinians. More people should approach this complex issue as he does.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 26, 2023 18:34:31 GMT -5
Yesterday at work: A manager told her staff, "I am running to McDonalds and will be back in 20 minutes." A staff member said, "Oh no you don't! You're not going to McDonalds! We are boycotting McDonalds because it's helping Israel!" Manager (first they heard of this), "Can I go to Popeyes?? Are you boycotting them??" And then it was an afternoon of sitting in HR for all involved. Lesson: Keep your politics out of your workplace. True. People should keep politics and religion out of the workplace. That also means, individuals shouldn't be punished by their employers for boycotting Israel. Who is being punished for boycotting Israel? (Whatever that means.)
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Post by soulflower on Oct 26, 2023 21:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Oct 26, 2023 21:18:25 GMT -5
The right has really let us down
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Post by summer23 on Oct 26, 2023 21:23:22 GMT -5
Allegedly in 2018. And this is how you define "boycott" suddenly? Surely you have something recent?
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 26, 2023 22:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by soulflower on Oct 27, 2023 5:19:10 GMT -5
Jewish or not, “Progressives” don’t support Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Some of the biggest anti-Zionist voices on the Left are Jewish by the way. Noam Chomsky. Norman Finklestein. Max Blumenthal. Madea Benjamin. I could go on and on. What the pro-Israel lobby fears is that they will lose the support of both political parties in the future as young American Liberals are the most critical of Israel’s policies. Here’s some American Jews in Atlanta calling for a ceasefire Jewish peace activists across the US call for immediate ceasefire and justice for Palestinians
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 27, 2023 20:39:13 GMT -5
Anyone needing to understand why the 'real left' is so consistently marginalized in this country only need to look at the countless videos like this circulating on line
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Post by soulflower on Oct 27, 2023 21:36:51 GMT -5
The “real left” is out protesting in NYC tonight in support of a ceasefire alongside hundreds of Jews.
Joy could be out there with them but he’s on here punching hippies.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 28, 2023 3:38:07 GMT -5
The “real left” is out protesting in NYC tonight in support of a ceasefire alongside hundreds of Jews. Joy could be out there with them but he’s on here punching hippies. Funny, coming from someone who never seems to actually walk the walk.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 28, 2023 7:23:41 GMT -5
The “real left” is out protesting in NYC tonight in support of a ceasefire alongside hundreds of Jews. Joy could be out there with them but he’s on here punching hippies. Funny, coming from someone who never seems to actually walk the walk. You punched a hippy?
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 28, 2023 7:25:37 GMT -5
Who here thinks Hamas would abide by a ceasefire? And not just use the time to plot another rampage?
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 28, 2023 8:02:18 GMT -5
Who here thinks Hamas would abide by a ceasefire? And not just use the time to plot another rampage? Maybe an hour longer than Israel
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Post by msmaggie on Oct 28, 2023 8:28:44 GMT -5
Israel looks like they are blowing this. Though they are in a very tough spot.
Maybe it's time to admit civilian casualties can't be avoided. My sense is the Israeli leadership is torn. One of their spokespeople actually used the term "payback". Idiot.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 28, 2023 9:43:27 GMT -5
Israel looks like they are blowing this. Though they are in a very tough spot. Maybe it's time to admit civilian casualties can't be avoided. My sense is the Israeli leadership is torn. One of their spokespeople actually used the term "payback". Idiot. They will go down in history for the Palestinian 'holocaust' that they have created.
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Post by soulflower on Oct 28, 2023 9:44:26 GMT -5
The “real left” is out protesting in NYC tonight in support of a ceasefire alongside hundreds of Jews. Joy could be out there with them but he’s on here punching hippies. Funny, coming from someone who never seems to actually walk the walk. I’ve attended two pro-Palestine rallies this month. How many have you attended?
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Post by soulflower on Oct 28, 2023 9:45:41 GMT -5
Israel looks like they are blowing this. Though they are in a very tough spot. Maybe it's time to admit civilian casualties can't be avoided. My sense is the Israeli leadership is torn. One of their spokespeople actually used the term "payback". Idiot. It’s naive to think Israel isn’t intentionally killing civilians. They are trying to force mass expulsion of the Palestinians from Gaza. The hardliners in Israel are driving this…
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Post by soulflower on Oct 28, 2023 9:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by mrsmlh on Oct 28, 2023 10:42:09 GMT -5
Israel looks like they are blowing this. Though they are in a very tough spot. Maybe it's time to admit civilian casualties can't be avoided. My sense is the Israeli leadership is torn. One of their spokespeople actually used the term "payback". Idiot. The will go down in history for the Palestinian 'holocaust' that they have created. I hope you are right but I doubt it. It seems Israel gets away with murder (literally).
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Post by soulflower on Oct 29, 2023 10:49:57 GMT -5
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