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Post by soulflower on Oct 31, 2023 16:41:32 GMT -5
I haven't seen you condemn Hamas' actions. Are you afraid condemning Hamas is condemning the Palestinians? I’ve condemned Hamas several times on the forum since October 7th which was almost a month ago. Do I need to condemn Hamas every day now even though Hamas isn’t the one killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians every day for three weeks? |
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 31, 2023 16:43:58 GMT -5
Almost no one defends Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. 'Almost no one' 
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 16:46:54 GMT -5
Turkey and Iran aren’t Arab countries but they have given some support to Hamas. I think Iran’s role in dealing with Hamas is often overstated in our domestic politics because Iran is easier to criticize than Qatar or Saudi Arabia. In reality, Hamas’ closest ally is Qatar. In the bigger picture, I don’t agree with the assumption that Hamas was put up to this by other countries in the region. What seems more likely to have motivated their actions was the ongoing normalization of relations between Israel and Arab countries that began under Trump and continued under Biden. The Israel-Palestine problem was largely ignored or not resolved by those negotiations which always seemed like a glaring omission. Hamas, with their acts on Oct. 7th seems to have blown up attempts by Arab countries to have normal relations with Israel. And that may have been one of their objectives. We're talking about a terrorist organization with Hamas. They have succeeded in conflating themselves with the Palestinians with folks like you. Big win for them. E.g. I haven't seen you condemn Hamas' actions. Are you afraid condemning Hamas is condemning the Palestinians? On October 7, 2023, the day that the terrorists attacked women and children in Israel, he said this as condemnation of Hamas terrorists:
I don’t like Hamas’ tactics but Israel are the colonizers/occupiers in this conflict.
It’s really twisted to imply that Palestinian resistance fighters don’t have as much legitimacy as Ukrainian resistance to Russian occupation. And he has also referred to Hamas as an insurgent army. A quick search did not locate one time that he refers to Hamas as terrorists.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Oct 31, 2023 16:50:55 GMT -5
The Biden administration has navigated the domestic politics of this issue horribly so far. The latest example: While I don’t dispute that some people at pro-Palestine (not “anti-Israel”) protests have said offensive things, the majority of the protesters are just calling for peace, equality, and justice between Israel and the Palestinians. Aside from that, most of these protesters are left-leaning and potentially Biden voters. So the Biden administration is throwing his own base under the bus by promoting Fox News’ framing of the protests. Overall, this is a tougher issue to navigate for a Democratic President because Democrats are more divided on Israel than Republicans are. Also, Swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania have significant concentrations of Muslim and/or Arab Americans. And they could prove decisive in the next election if it’s a close election. Reason number 147 why twitter is a cesspool of misinformation for the easily manipulated. As I tried to tell you when you were breathlessly spreading misinformation about the hospital parking lot, you're not helping. quite the opposite.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 17:01:37 GMT -5
Suspect in custody for posting online threats about Jewish students at Cornell University ITHACA, N.Y. (AP) — A suspect was in custody Tuesday for posting threatening statements online about Jewish students at Cornell University, according to officials. The menacing messages, posted over the weekend on a forum about fraternities and sororities, alarmed students at the Ivy League school in upstate New York. The anonymous threats came amid a spike of antisemitic and anti-Muslim rhetoric appearing on social media during the ongoing Israel-Hamas war. “We can confirm that a subject has been identified as a suspect in the antisemitic threats made against our Jewish students on Sunday and is currently in custody," Joel M. Malina, vice president for university relations, said in a statement. New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said an individual identified Tuesday as a person of interest was in the custody of state police for questioning. State police referred questions about the case to Cornell. An email seeking additional information was sent to Cornell. The comments this weekend were left on a Greek life website that is not affiliated with the school in Ithaca, New York, about 227 miles (365 kilometers) northwest of New York City. Just another of those "so some random person said something" things. |
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Post by soulflower on Oct 31, 2023 17:18:09 GMT -5
We're talking about a terrorist organization with Hamas. They have succeeded in conflating themselves with the Palestinians with folks like you. Big win for them. E.g. I haven't seen you condemn Hamas' actions. Are you afraid condemning Hamas is condemning the Palestinians? On October 7, 2023, the day that the terrorists attacked women and children in Israel, he said this as condemnation of Hamas terrorists:
I don’t like Hamas’ tactics but Israel are the colonizers/occupiers in this conflict.
It’s really twisted to imply that Palestinian resistance fighters don’t have as much legitimacy as Ukrainian resistance to Russian occupation. And he has also referred to Hamas as an insurgent army. A quick search did not locate one time that he refers to Hamas as terrorists. Hamas is the administrative government of Gaza (you can thank George W Bush and Israel for that). They also have a military wing, the Al Qassem brigades. When they attack Israeli soldiers, they're "insurgents" because they don't use conventional military tactics and are not a conventional army. When they attack Israeli civilians, they're terrorists. Because they do administrative and civilian stuff, I don't think it's helpful to refer to them solely as a terrorist group but I acknowledge that they've attacked civilians and committed acts of terror. I get that social media isn't a good place for nuance (especially Twitter) but this forum should be a place where nuanced opinions on various topics are welcome...
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Post by soulflower on Oct 31, 2023 17:20:52 GMT -5
The Biden administration has navigated the domestic politics of this issue horribly so far. The latest example: While I don’t dispute that some people at pro-Palestine (not “anti-Israel”) protests have said offensive things, the majority of the protesters are just calling for peace, equality, and justice between Israel and the Palestinians. Aside from that, most of these protesters are left-leaning and potentially Biden voters. So the Biden administration is throwing his own base under the bus by promoting Fox News’ framing of the protests. Overall, this is a tougher issue to navigate for a Democratic President because Democrats are more divided on Israel than Republicans are. Also, Swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania have significant concentrations of Muslim and/or Arab Americans. And they could prove decisive in the next election if it’s a close election. Reason number 147 why twitter is a cesspool of misinformation for the easily manipulated. As I tried to tell you when you were breathlessly spreading misinformation about the hospital parking lot, you're not helping. quite the opposite. Grim's description is accurate and people can watch and listen for themselves. She didn't reject the framing of the Fox News guy's question. She not only accepted his premise, she compared mostly liberal democratic protesters with the neo-nazis in Charlottsvile Make sure you remember this stuff if Biden loses next year. Biden's administration is coming across as super tone-deaf.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 17:30:41 GMT -5
On October 7, 2023, the day that the terrorists attacked women and children in Israel, he said this as condemnation of Hamas terrorists:
I don’t like Hamas’ tactics but Israel are the colonizers/occupiers in this conflict.
It’s really twisted to imply that Palestinian resistance fighters don’t have as much legitimacy as Ukrainian resistance to Russian occupation. And he has also referred to Hamas as an insurgent army. A quick search did not locate one time that he refers to Hamas as terrorists. Hamas is the administrative government of Gaza (you can thank George W Bush and Israel for that). They also have a military wing, the Al Qassem brigades. When they attack Israeli soldiers, they're "insurgents" because they don't use conventional military tactics and are not a conventional army. When they attack Israeli civilians, they're terrorists. Because they do administrative and civilian stuff, I don't think it's helpful to refer to them solely as a terrorist group but I acknowledge that they've attacked civilians and committed acts of terror. I get that social media isn't a good place for nuance (especially Twitter) but this forum should be a place where nuanced opinions on various topics are welcome... And you're one to talk about "nuanced" opinions being permitted. Terrorists. www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 31, 2023 17:32:52 GMT -5
I haven't seen you condemn Hamas' actions. Are you afraid condemning Hamas is condemning the Palestinians? I’ve condemned Hamas several times on the forum since October 7th which was almost a month ago. Do I need to condemn Hamas every day now even though Hamas isn’t the one killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians every day for three weeks? I'm afraid that for, some on here, you do have to. And that will still not be enough for them. It disturbs and sickens me the lengths, that some here are going to, to deflect from Israel's genocidal actions while paying mere lip service to those actions, while at the same time giving them the green light to continue murdering innocent Palestinians to get to the Hamas terrorists. Yet they demand that you condemn only Hamas' actions. In truth, there is now zero difference between the belligerents.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 17:35:59 GMT -5
I’ve condemned Hamas several times on the forum since October 7th which was almost a month ago. Do I need to condemn Hamas every day now even though Hamas isn’t the one killing hundreds of Palestinian civilians every day for three weeks? I'm afraid that for, some on here, you do have to. And that will still not be enough for them. It disturbs and sickens me the lengths, that some here are going to, to deflect from Israel's genocidal actions while paying mere lip service to those actions, while at the same time giving them the green light to continue murdering innocent Palestinians to get to the Hamas terrorists. Yet they demand that you condemn only Hamas' actions. In truth, there is now zero difference between the belligerents. Such utter bullcrap. Several of us have condemned Israel's actions. We just haven't done it as you and soulflower demand. How's that working out for you?
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 31, 2023 17:52:35 GMT -5
I'm afraid that for, some on here, you do have to. And that will still not be enough for them. It disturbs and sickens me the lengths, that some here are going to, to deflect from Israel's genocidal actions while paying mere lip service to those actions, while at the same time giving them the green light to continue murdering innocent Palestinians to get to the Hamas terrorists. Yet they demand that you condemn only Hamas' actions. In truth, there is now zero difference between the belligerents. Such utter bullcrap. Several of us have condemned Israel's actions. We just haven't done it as you and soulflower demand. How's that working out for you? Bullcrap indeed! You have repeatedly charged SF with not condemning Hamas enough, and yet you are also guilty of not giving equal condemnation of Israel's actions, if anything you have been minimising them. You've made some remarks about not having time for Netanyahu, that's about the extent of your condemnation of Israel's actions Until now. I haven't made any demand that you condemn Israel's actions, so don't charge me with that. The only thing that will work out for me is a ceasefire to safe further lives, and a negotiated peace.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 17:54:49 GMT -5
Such utter bullcrap. Several of us have condemned Israel's actions. We just haven't done it as you and soulflower demand. How's that working out for you? Bullcrap indeed! You have repeatedly charged SF with not condemning Hamas enough, and yet you are also guilty of not giving equal condemnation of Israel's actions, if anything you have been minimising them. You've made some remarks about not having time for Netanyahu, that's about the extent of your condemnation of Israel's actions Until now. I haven't made any demand that you condemn Israel's actions, so don't charge me with that. The only thing that will work out for me is a ceasefire to safe further lives, and a negotiated peace. Your opinion. And that is not what I've said several times. So - don't lie. I don't have to live up to you or Soulflower. I don't hate Israel as you and he do and always have.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 31, 2023 18:07:08 GMT -5
Bullcrap indeed! You have repeatedly charged SF with not condemning Hamas enough, and yet you are also guilty of not giving equal condemnation of Israel's actions, if anything you have been minimising them. You've made some remarks about not having time for Netanyahu, that's about the extent of your condemnation of Israel's actions Until now. I haven't made any demand that you condemn Israel's actions, so don't charge me with that. The only thing that will work out for me is a ceasefire to safe further lives, and a negotiated peace. Your opinion. And that is not what I've said several times. So - don't lie. I don't have to live up to you or Soulflower. I don't hate Israel as you and he do and always have. So you have to lie about me. I do not hate Israel, and never have, even now when it is tempting to so do. I hate Israel's Zionist thieving of Palestinian land, I hate their apartheid and their treatment of Palestinians. Clearly, you are okay with all of that, don't worry about living up to me, you just have to live with yourself.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 18:11:21 GMT -5
Your opinion. And that is not what I've said several times. So - don't lie. I don't have to live up to you or Soulflower. I don't hate Israel as you and he do and always have. So you have to lie about me. I do not hate Israel, and never have, even now when it is tempting to so do. I hate Israel's Zionist thieving of Palestinian land, I hate their apartheid and their treatment of Palestinians. Clearly, you are okay with all of that, don't worry about living up to me, you just have to live with yourself. Nah. I didn't lie. And I live with myself quite comfortably.
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Post by WKDWZD on Oct 31, 2023 18:21:03 GMT -5
So you have to lie about me. I do not hate Israel, and never have, even now when it is tempting to so do. I hate Israel's Zionist thieving of Palestinian land, I hate their apartheid and their treatment of Palestinians. Clearly, you are okay with all of that, don't worry about living up to me, you just have to live with yourself. Nah. I didn't lie. And I live with myself quite comfortably. Yes, you did lie. You, like all Israeli apologists, play the conflation game of lumping Zionism, Israel, Israelis and Jews all together so that you can claim any criticism of any of them as anti-Semitism. It's an old game, but it's rapidly losing its validity.
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Post by summer23 on Oct 31, 2023 18:54:54 GMT -5
Nah. I didn't lie. And I live with myself quite comfortably. Yes, you did lie. You, like all Israeli apologists, play the conflation game of lumping Zionism, Israel, Israelis and Jews all together so that you can claim any criticism of any of them as anti-Semitism. It's an old game, but it's rapidly losing its validity. And I've been told that I support the deaths of Palestinians because I haven't objected quite the correct way to please some people. Oh well. How's it feel? p.s. Some 75%+ of Israelis are Jews. And I am not an anti-Zionist. I know that gets under the skin of some people, but, again, I support Israel.
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 6:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by WKDWZD on Nov 1, 2023 7:02:20 GMT -5
Sorry, can't read it, it's behind a paywall.
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 7:06:57 GMT -5
Sorry, can't read it, it's behind a paywall. Recent days have witnessed what Jewish students and watchdog groups describe as a raft of antisemitic incidents on college campuses. Jewish students at Cooper Union in New York City sheltered in a library as pro-Palestinian demonstrators banged on the glass walls of the building. At a pro-Palestinian protest near Tulane University, at least two students were assaulted in a melee that began when someone tried to burn an Israeli flag. And anonymous posters flooded a Cornell message board with threats, prompting the school’s president to alert the FBI. “If you see a Jewish ‘person’ on campus follow them home and slit their throats,” one message said. Another threatened to “bring an assault rifle to campus and shoot all you pig jews.” |
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Post by WKDWZD on Nov 1, 2023 7:25:02 GMT -5
Sorry, can't read it, it's behind a paywall. Recent days have witnessed what Jewish students and watchdog groups describe as a raft of antisemitic incidents on college campuses. Jewish students at Cooper Union in New York City sheltered in a library as pro-Palestinian demonstrators banged on the glass walls of the building. At a pro-Palestinian protest near Tulane University, at least two students were assaulted in a melee that began when someone tried to burn an Israeli flag. And anonymous posters flooded a Cornell message board with threats, prompting the school’s president to alert the FBI. “If you see a Jewish ‘person’ on campus follow them home and slit their throats,” one message said. Another threatened to “bring an assault rifle to campus and shoot all you pig jews.” I hope. But am not confident, that things return to normal when this war is over. I do feel sorry for the Jewish folks, and wish that those protesters would vent their fury on the correct target, Israel's actions, and not the Jewish community.
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 7:54:10 GMT -5
Recent days have witnessed what Jewish students and watchdog groups describe as a raft of antisemitic incidents on college campuses. Jewish students at Cooper Union in New York City sheltered in a library as pro-Palestinian demonstrators banged on the glass walls of the building. At a pro-Palestinian protest near Tulane University, at least two students were assaulted in a melee that began when someone tried to burn an Israeli flag. And anonymous posters flooded a Cornell message board with threats, prompting the school’s president to alert the FBI. “If you see a Jewish ‘person’ on campus follow them home and slit their throats,” one message said. Another threatened to “bring an assault rifle to campus and shoot all you pig jews.” I hope. But am not confident, that things return to normal when this war is over. I do feel sorry for the Jewish folks, and wish that those protesters would vent their fury on the correct target, Israel's actions, and not the Jewish community. Religious based hatred isn't reasonable. True of Hamas, true of radical religious right in Israel. As stated before: I condemn Hamas' actions of murdering innocent people, including children. I am less inclined to condemn the current Israeli actions as I'm not sure how they get rid of Hamas in a "clean" way. Vietnam, Afghanistan redux. I do think there should be a cease fire until reasonable accommodation for the Gaza refugees can be resolved. Israel made a horrible mistake putting Bibi in charge. He's the Israeli version of Trump. Full of hate, vengeful, undemocratic, surrounded by second-raters, desperate to save his own hide. |
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Post by WKDWZD on Nov 1, 2023 8:05:44 GMT -5
I hope. But am not confident, that things return to normal when this war is over. I do feel sorry for the Jewish folks, and wish that those protesters would vent their fury on the correct target, Israel's actions, and not the Jewish community. Religious based hatred isn't reasonable. True of Hamas, true of radical religious right in Israel. As stated before: I condemn Hamas' actions of murdering innocent people, including children. I am less inclined to condemn the current Israeli actions as I'm not sure how they get rid of Hamas in a "clean" way. Vietnam, Afghanistan redux. I do think there should be a cease fire until reasonable accommodation for the Gaza refugees can be resolved. Israel made a horrible mistake putting Bibi in charge. He's the Israeli version of Trump. Full of hate, vengeful, undemocratic, surrounded by second-raters, desperate to save his own hide. With the exception of your 3rd sentence, I agree with you. Regarding your 3rd sentence, the sheer number of thousands of Palestinian collateral damage deaths, cannot be excused, or condoned, by, IMO, any reasonable person.
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 8:09:39 GMT -5
Religious based hatred isn't reasonable. True of Hamas, true of radical religious right in Israel. As stated before: I condemn Hamas' actions of murdering innocent people, including children. I am less inclined to condemn the current Israeli actions as I'm not sure how they get rid of Hamas in a "clean" way. Vietnam, Afghanistan redux. I do think there should be a cease fire until reasonable accommodation for the Gaza refugees can be resolved. Israel made a horrible mistake putting Bibi in charge. He's the Israeli version of Trump. Full of hate, vengeful, undemocratic, surrounded by second-raters, desperate to save his own hide. With the exception of your 3rd sentence, I agree with you. Regarding your 3rd sentence, the sheer number of thousands of Palestinian collateral damage deaths, cannot be excused, or condoned, by, IMO, any reasonable person. I get that. My question is, if you're Israel, how do you protect yourself from Hamas, especially after that gruesome attack? I may lack imagination but don't see an alternative response. |
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Post by soulflower on Nov 1, 2023 8:11:36 GMT -5
What I hope we all can agree on:
- Anti-semetism and Islamophobia are unacceptable no matter which side of the political aisle it originates from
- Criticism of Israel and Zionism is not anti-semetism
- Both Hamas and Israel’s far-Right (including Netanyahu) are bad for both Israel and the Palestinians and are obstacles to peace
- Political or religious violence against civilians is never morally acceptable
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Post by soulflower on Nov 1, 2023 8:18:09 GMT -5
With the exception of your 3rd sentence, I agree with you. Regarding your 3rd sentence, the sheer number of thousands of Palestinian collateral damage deaths, cannot be excused, or condoned, by, IMO, any reasonable person. I get that. My question is, if you're Israel, how do you protect yourself from Hamas, especially after that gruesome attack? I may lack imagination but don't see an alternative response. If you’ve followed this stuff for more than just a few weeks, then you should know better. That Israel’s collective punishment against the Palestinians never works. It’s not likely to succeed this time. I’m totally fine with getting rid of Hamas or deposing them as the government of Gaza but it’s not possible to eliminate or eradicate an idea. Hence why Al Qaeda still exists 22 years after the 9/11 attacks. Israel will always have to live with the threat of terrorism (sorry but they’re in the Middle East. They’re not protected by oceans like us) but they can mitigate or reduce the threat via political solutions. Starting with an end to their opposition to implementing a Palestinian state. |
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 8:27:11 GMT -5
I get that. My question is, if you're Israel, how do you protect yourself from Hamas, especially after that gruesome attack? I may lack imagination but don't see an alternative response. If you’ve followed this stuff for more than just a few weeks, then you should know better. That Israel’s collective punishment against the Palestinians never works. It’s not likely to succeed this time. I’m totally fine with getting rid of Hamas or deposing them as the government of Gaza but it’s not possible to eliminate or eradicate an idea. Hence why Al Qaeda still exists 22 years after the 9/11 attacks. Israel will always have to live with the threat of terrorism (sorry but they’re in the Middle East. They’re not protected by oceans like us) but they can mitigate or reduce the threat via political solutions. Starting with an end to their opposition to implementing a Palestinian state. Don't talk down to me. You aren't qualified. |
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Post by soulflower on Nov 1, 2023 8:36:39 GMT -5
If you’ve followed this stuff for more than just a few weeks, then you should know better. That Israel’s collective punishment against the Palestinians never works. It’s not likely to succeed this time. I’m totally fine with getting rid of Hamas or deposing them as the government of Gaza but it’s not possible to eliminate or eradicate an idea. Hence why Al Qaeda still exists 22 years after the 9/11 attacks. Israel will always have to live with the threat of terrorism (sorry but they’re in the Middle East. They’re not protected by oceans like us) but they can mitigate or reduce the threat via political solutions. Starting with an end to their opposition to implementing a Palestinian state. Don't talk down to me. You aren't qualified. Credentials mean nothing. Lots of well educated fools are currently apologizing for or excusing Israel’s war crimes. And on the other side, some college professors are apologizing for or justifying Hamas’ war crimes. And you yourself are criticizing the behavior of some students at Ivy League institutions. So spare me the smug liberal elitist thing this morning. You don’t need to be credentialed to know right from wrong or know bigotry, ethnic cleansing, or genocide when you see it… |
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 8:43:27 GMT -5
Don't talk down to me. You aren't qualified. Credentials mean nothing. Lots of well educated fools are currently apologizing for or excusing Israel’s war crimes. And on the other side, some college professors are apologizing for or justifying Hamas’ war crimes. And you yourself are criticizing the behavior of some students at Ivy League institutions. So spare me the smug liberal elitist thing this morning. You don’t need to be credentialed to know right from wrong or know bigotry, ethnic cleansing, or genocide when you see it… Who said anything about credentials? And spare me the juvenile name calling. Smug liberal elitist? Trifeca! How discerning. Telling you reference Israel's war crimes but make no mention of Hamas/Gaza. Hamas is the governing entity of Gaza. How is Gaza not liable for war crimes? |
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Post by soulflower on Nov 1, 2023 9:49:49 GMT -5
Credentials mean nothing. Lots of well educated fools are currently apologizing for or excusing Israel’s war crimes. And on the other side, some college professors are apologizing for or justifying Hamas’ war crimes. And you yourself are criticizing the behavior of some students at Ivy League institutions. So spare me the smug liberal elitist thing this morning. You don’t need to be credentialed to know right from wrong or know bigotry, ethnic cleansing, or genocide when you see it… Who said anything about credentials? And spare me the juvenile name calling. Smug liberal elitist? Trifeca! How discerning. Telling you reference Israel's war crimes but make no mention of Hamas/Gaza. Hamas is the governing entity of Gaza. How is Gaza not liable for war crimes? In my last few posts in this thread I’ve said: - I don’t care if Hamas is deposed as the government of Gaza. They don’t deserve to govern Gaza imho. - I view Hamas as an obstacle to peace in the region. - I’ve described Hamas attacks on civilians as “terrorism”. Maybe you missed those comments? The fact that some people on both sides of this issue are behaving badly or saying offensive things doesn’t de-legitimize criticism of Israel nor is it fair to argue that most pro-Palestine protesters support Hamas… |
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Post by msmaggie on Nov 1, 2023 9:54:02 GMT -5
Who said anything about credentials? And spare me the juvenile name calling. Smug liberal elitist? Trifeca! How discerning. Telling you reference Israel's war crimes but make no mention of Hamas/Gaza. Hamas is the governing entity of Gaza. How is Gaza not liable for war crimes? In my last few posts in this thread I’ve said: - I don’t care if Hamas is deposed as the government of Gaza. They don’t deserve to govern Gaza imho. - I view Hamas as an obstacle to peace in the region. - I’ve described Hamas attacks on civilians as “terrorism”. Maybe you missed those comments? The fact that some people on both sides of this issue are behaving badly or saying offensive things doesn’t de-legitimize criticism of Israel nor is it fair to argue that most pro-Palestine protesters support Hamas… Who elected Hamas? Are those people not liable for Hamas' actions? And were those actions not war crimes? There is a disturbing amount of antisemitism in many pro-Palestinian protests. |
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