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Post by cowboyz on Mar 27, 2024 7:47:07 GMT -5
I agree. When I originally posted this story I did put it in Locals and moved it to Nationals (thanks to RJs nudge). When I thought about it and my coffee started working, Nationals just made more sense. Just an odd thing to get to irritated about. You have a thankless job. But thanks!!! Thank you!
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Post by alienrace on Mar 27, 2024 7:50:07 GMT -5
Good god I thought that was just a fake meme. Aside from that I can barely understand what he is saying.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2024 12:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by up2 on Mar 27, 2024 12:55:56 GMT -5
Here we go. Another thread sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics. For that matter, another tragedy sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics.
There are grieving relatives who live here. There are brave and courageous folks searching for bodies amid wreckage and hazardous waters and weather conditions, and rather than focus on the tragedy, we're giving attention to some of the most loathesome people on the planet who have no right to hold the bullhorn. Disgusting.
Damn, I'm coming across really grouchy today.
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Post by soulflower on Mar 27, 2024 12:59:53 GMT -5
Lots of racists online took off their masks yesterday to make fun of Mayor Scott.
The conspiracy theories were annoying too but I think that will fade as the details become clearer.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2024 13:15:25 GMT -5
Here we go. Another thread sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics. For that matter, another tragedy sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics. There are grieving relatives who live here. There are brave and courageous folks searching for bodies amid wreckage and hazardous waters and weather conditions, and rather than focus on the tragedy, we're giving attention to some of the most loathesome people on the planet who have no right to hold the bullhorn. Disgusting. Damn, I'm coming across really grouchy today. I'm just posting about the coverage the bridge story got on certain media. Don't shoot the messenger. Unfortunately, we've reached a point where a bridge can collapse, we know almost instantly how and why it collapsed, and people are still trying to twist a rather generic story into some political football. I agree, it is gross. And the light needs to be shone on the grossness.
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 13:16:38 GMT -5
Lots of racists online took off their masks yesterday to make fun of Mayor Scott. The conspiracy theories were annoying too but I think that will fade as the details become clearer. Apparently the construction workers who were working on the bridge were immigrants. Whole new opportunity for nasty among the racists and conspiracy clowns.
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Post by up2 on Mar 27, 2024 13:38:02 GMT -5
Here we go. Another thread sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics. For that matter, another tragedy sucked into the black-hole of partisan politics. There are grieving relatives who live here. There are brave and courageous folks searching for bodies amid wreckage and hazardous waters and weather conditions, and rather than focus on the tragedy, we're giving attention to some of the most loathesome people on the planet who have no right to hold the bullhorn. Disgusting. Damn, I'm coming across really grouchy today. I'm just posting about the coverage the bridge story got on certain media. Don't shoot the messenger. Unfortunately, we've reached a point where a bridge can collapse, we know almost instantly how and why it collapsed, and people are still trying to twist a rather generic story into some political football. I agree, it is gross. And the light needs to be shone on the grossness. I wasn't singling you out and apologize if it came across that way. I agree that we need to shine a light on the racist and bigoted comments and the partisan political stuff, but wish light-shining would be topic for and live in a different thread. I know, I'm not a moderator and have no appetite to be one but it bothers me when I have to sort through a lot of posts to see if there is anything new to read about other than the tired old BS about what some jackass in Utah has to say about Biden or what some cretin in Baltimore has to say about DEI and Mayor Scott. I realize this is an opinion board, but I was hoping, perhaps naively that I could save some time coming here to get updated on the actual incident. That's all.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2024 13:47:06 GMT -5
Fox News blamed the border and the victims are immigrants. Not a good look for them.
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 13:49:07 GMT -5
I'm just posting about the coverage the bridge story got on certain media. Don't shoot the messenger. Unfortunately, we've reached a point where a bridge can collapse, we know almost instantly how and why it collapsed, and people are still trying to twist a rather generic story into some political football. I agree, it is gross. And the light needs to be shone on the grossness. I wasn't singling you out and apologize if it came across that way. I agree that we need to shine a light on the racist and bigoted comments and the partisan political stuff, but wish light-shining would be topic for and live in a different thread. I know, I'm not a moderator and have no appetite to be one but it bothers me when I have to sort through a lot of posts to see if there is anything new to read about other than the tired old BS about what some jackass in Utah has to say about Biden or what some cretin in Baltimore has to say about DEI and Mayor Scott. I realize this is an opinion board, but I was hoping, perhaps naively that I could save some time coming here to get updated on the actual incident. That's all. Big updates today: rescue called off. Feds going balls out to get resources for clean up and rebuild. No news from Maersk as of yet. Containers manifest indicated some hazardous materials but all of those containers safely on board. None of the containers in the harbor unsafe. Been w friend receiving chemo. Lots of TV viewing!!
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Post by ishmael on Mar 27, 2024 13:55:53 GMT -5
The only "nefarious truth" out there is whether or not the engine failure on MV Dali was intentional.
Check this comparison:
MV Dali USS Nimitz
displacement 149K tons 104K tons
length 984' 1029'
beam 158' 252'
MV Dali was doing 8 - 9 knots when she lost power, and as a result, steerage. That bridge was dead probably 15 seconds after Dali lost power, because at that speed, with current and fully loaded, she wasn't coming back. The tide was running out at the time of the incident, further complicating the issue.
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Post by pickle20 on Mar 27, 2024 13:57:40 GMT -5
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 14:04:45 GMT -5
The only "nefarious truth" out there is whether or not the engine failure on MV Dali was intentional. Check this comparison: MV Dali USS Nimitz
displacement 149K tons 104K tons
length 984' 1029'
beam 158' 252'
MV Dali was doing 8 - 9 knots when she lost power, and as a result, steerage. That bridge was dead probably 15 seconds after Dali lost power, because at that speed, with current and fully loaded, she wasn't coming back. The time was running out at the time of the incident, further complicating the issue. Help me understand. Looking at a longer video, appeared the ship lost power (lights at least and presumably steerage etc) and then pivoted and drifted into the bridge. Is that right?
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Post by ishmael on Mar 27, 2024 14:20:03 GMT -5
The only "nefarious truth" out there is whether or not the engine failure on MV Dali was intentional. Check this comparison: MV Dali USS Nimitz
displacement 149K tons 104K tons
length 984' 1029'
beam 158' 252'
MV Dali was doing 8 - 9 knots when she lost power, and as a result, steerage. That bridge was dead probably 15 seconds after Dali lost power, because at that speed, with current and fully loaded, she wasn't coming back. The time was running out at the time of the incident, further complicating the issue. Help me understand. Looking at a longer video, appeared the ship lost power (lights at least and presumably steerage etc) and then pivoted and drifted into the bridge. Is that right? Just a minor detail. In shipspeak, "pivot" is a specific term implying a controlled action. I've seen a couple of videos that show Dali was pretty well lined up for the center of the channel when she lost power the first time. That was for about 45 - 60 seconds. That's a lifetime in big ship langage. I would venture that absent steerage control, she probably caught a drift tide that drove her into the support.
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Post by ishmael on Mar 27, 2024 14:29:49 GMT -5
Complicating matters, the shipping line has just declared "force majeure" which, roughly translated means "hey, there's a big problem in Baltimore Harbor, so we are going to drop your cargo at whatever port we can offload it and it's up to you get it where it needs to go. Have a nice day."
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 27, 2024 14:44:13 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb here.
While it will certainly take years to build a new bridge, it strikes me that clearing that main channel should be a relative straightforward task and that should be enough to get ships moving again. if the Feds, State, Army Corp of Engineers and whoever else combines resources and prioritizes the main channel, we are hopefully talking weeks/a couple of months.
Am I wrong?
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 14:53:44 GMT -5
Complicating matters, the shipping line has just declared "force majeure" which, roughly translated means "hey, there's a big problem in Baltimore Harbor, so we are going to drop your cargo at whatever port we can offload it and it's up to you get it where it needs to go. Have a nice day." Is most international shipping FOB port of departure or does title remain with seller until shipment clears customs? Guessing the latter?
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Post by ishmael on Mar 27, 2024 15:06:06 GMT -5
Complicating matters, the shipping line has just declared "force majeure" which, roughly translated means "hey, there's a big problem in Baltimore Harbor, so we are going to drop your cargo at whatever port we can offload it and it's up to you get it where it needs to go. Have a nice day." Is most international shipping FOB port of departure or does title remain with seller until shipment clears customs? Guessing the latter? The latter, but usually port specific. A declaration of force majeure, a power that typically lies with the shipping company in the contract, means that for reasons not their own, the shipping company can change ports at its discretion.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 27, 2024 15:44:27 GMT -5
Local news board with a largely ignored local news suction. Nationals devolved into mostly Trump vs anti Trump. Largest local news story in decades and they move it to nationals. And this thread has devolved into yet another about alleged or real racism. SSDD This thread could have been placed in International, National, or Local. Because it is in the news around the world. It was logical to intially put the OP into local. But the scope of the impact changed drastically and rapidly when people started have an 'oh shxt' moment and realized that this disaster is not just that morning commuters are going to have to find different and likely longer ways to get to work/etc. The Port of Baltimore is the 17th largest in tonnage in and out in the US. It is a major drop off point for vehicles, parts, stuff that Amazon sells and so on. So the fishing line some guy in Pennsylvania that wanted shipped to him is likely on some boat that can't get into the port...... for weeks. The Washington Post had some very good articles about the domino effect that will also work backwards to the rest of the nation. Like I said, I am smh, it seems like we FINALLY turned the corner on the supply chain issues.... and now this.
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 15:50:47 GMT -5
And this thread has devolved into yet another about alleged or real racism. SSDD This thread could have been placed in International, National, or Local. Because it is in the news around the world. It was logical to intially put the OP into local. But the scope of the impact changed drastically and rapidly when people started have an 'oh shxt' moment and realized that this disaster is not just that morning commuters are going to have to find different and likely longer ways to get to work/etc. The Port of Baltimore is the 17th largest in tonnage in and out in the US. It is a major drop off point for vehicles, parts, stuff that Amazon sells and so on. So the fishing line some guy in Pennsylvania that wanted shipped to him is likely on some boat that can't get into the port...... for weeks. The Washington Post had some very good articles about the domino effect that will also work backwards to the rest of the nation. Like I said, I am smh, it seems like we FINALLY turned the corner on the supply chain issues.... and now this. Don't think this is close to the pandemic supply chain issue. For one thing, China isn't shut down! Will be bumpy but not to that level.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 27, 2024 16:13:29 GMT -5
Lots of racists online took off their masks yesterday to make fun of Mayor Scott. The conspiracy theories were annoying too but I think that will fade as the details become clearer. Apparently the construction workers who were working on the bridge were immigrants. Whole new opportunity for nasty among the racists and conspiracy clowns. As you probably realize msmaggie is that I tend to Ohhh, I am sure 'they' are going to twist it. Yeah, like the fact that south of the boarder immigrants had something to do with a ship losing power. Right, sure. 🙄😒 Like having some white wasps working on those holes would have made a difference. Oh wait......... why was it only south of the border immigrants on that gang doing that work. 🤔🤯 Ahhh could it be that no white wasp wants to do that work? Ok so, somebody tell me how SBI's are a threat to jobs that nobody wants. And I am sure that the MAGAggotts are assuming that those running the ship were maybe one step above these guys............. You can bet on it.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 27, 2024 16:18:21 GMT -5
It’s a national news story. CBS’ national morning news show led with the Key Bridge this morning. Rarely do network news shows spend as much time talking about news from Baltimore. I agree. When I originally posted this story I did put it in Locals and moved it to Nationals (thanks to RJs nudge). When I thought about it and my coffee started working, Nationals just made more sense. Just an odd thing to get to irritated about. You and Rael do a very hard job and get little thanks for it. It is noted.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 27, 2024 16:30:34 GMT -5
It was logical to intially put the OP into local. But the scope of the impact changed drastically and rapidly when people started have an 'oh shxt' moment and realized that this disaster is not just that morning commuters are going to have to find different and likely longer ways to get to work/etc. The Port of Baltimore is the 17th largest in tonnage in and out in the US. It is a major drop off point for vehicles, parts, stuff that Amazon sells and so on. So the fishing line some guy in Pennsylvania that wanted shipped to him is likely on some boat that can't get into the port...... for weeks. The Washington Post had some very good articles about the domino effect that will also work backwards to the rest of the nation. Like I said, I am smh, it seems like we FINALLY turned the corner on the supply chain issues.... and now this. Don't think this is close to the pandemic supply chain issue. For one thing, China isn't shut down! Will be bumpy but not to that level. Only time will tell on that one. But, when the prices for produce at the food stores go up, you can bet your last buck that people are going to bytch. And the GOP is going to try and make hay on that as well, to blame it on Biden, Pete B and anybody else that doesn't kiss the ..... ahhhh ring of Trump. Equally you can bet whatever you have left, that Giant, Weis, Walmart are eyeballing this and saying...... Wow! what a great opportunity to jack up prices..... we can easily explain that away..... right? Heck, that covid excuse has petered out..... we were just handed a gift gang.
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Post by guido2 on Mar 27, 2024 16:32:04 GMT -5
I agree. When I originally posted this story I did put it in Locals and moved it to Nationals (thanks to RJs nudge). When I thought about it and my coffee started working, Nationals just made more sense. Just an odd thing to get to irritated about. You and Rael do a very hard job and get little thanks for it. It is noted. Yes, definitely. I second that one. Thanks cowboyz and Rael. You don't get thanked enough.
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Post by upstream on Mar 27, 2024 17:06:51 GMT -5
I agree. When I originally posted this story I did put it in Locals and moved it to Nationals (thanks to RJs nudge). When I thought about it and my coffee started working, Nationals just made more sense. Just an odd thing to get to irritated about. You and Rael do a very hard job and get little thanks for it. It is noted. What about SF? lol.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 27, 2024 17:32:19 GMT -5
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Post by augustwest on Mar 27, 2024 18:24:45 GMT -5
“DEI” is the new racial dog-whistle Nah, DEI is the new racism. Oh you poor oppressed white Christian man. Is your whittle life hard?
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Post by msmaggie on Mar 27, 2024 19:09:33 GMT -5
Heard on the news there's a call for "salvage vessels". Always amazing to me how much I don't know. Thank God there are people who know how to address these kinds of disasters. My completely uninformed thought is clearing the harbor is the less difficult part compared to rebuilding the bridge.Thank God for expertise.
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Post by JoyinMudville on Mar 27, 2024 19:21:03 GMT -5
Heard on the news there's a call for "salvage vessels". Always amazing to me how much I don't know. Thank God there are people who know how to address these kinds of disasters. My completely uninformed thought is clearing the harbor is the less difficult part compared to rebuilding the bridge.Thank God for expertise. I think so. And the real question is... can they reopen the harbor if they clear the main channel or do they have to clear all the debris for fear that things may shift with the tides? And I agree, while I know many here think I'm a know-it-all, all I really know is that there are vast areas where i have no clue
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Post by vosa on Mar 27, 2024 19:23:17 GMT -5
Sen. Schmitt specified a set of action taken by the Biden regime. Which of the ones he specified is incorrect? "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel Need I remind you that Emanuel was a (D)?
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