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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 19:19:33 GMT -5
Sure SF, if that's the lie you have to tell yourself to sleep at night, you go ahead. It's there on video. Just put this in with you delusional demands that I prove that Hamas uses human shields while ignoring all the proof that they use human shields. We're never going to agree on this topic. Just move on. Why don't you move on SF? You're the one who keeps spouting terrorist propaganda. This thread and the others you've started are dozens of pages of mostly you making absurdly false claims about what's going on in Gaza. Your theories about all of this are truly ludicrous going all the way back to the beginning. I mean, suggesting the Israelis are a "colonial" power on a strip of land the Jews have called home for several millennia.. and are indeed, NAMED after "Judea." There isn't a people anywhere on this planet that have a better claim to the land they're on than the Jews do to Israel. It's truly hard to fathom how you could be more grotesquely wrong about EVERYTHING Palestinian. And now you've lowered yourself to trying to deflect for protesters shouting "we are all Hamas."
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 19:23:05 GMT -5
We're never going to agree on this topic. Just move on. Why don't you move on SF? You're the one who keeps spouting terrorist propaganda. I'm not the one defending mass murder of civilians. That's your lane when you try to explain why it's 'okay' that Israel is starving and mass murdering millions of people. And you defended the J6 protesters but you won't defend peaceful protesters calling for peace and equality for Israelis and Palestinians. Genocide makes people angry. You can't expect people to be quiet while Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head. ‘Not a normal war’Worth remembering that the IDF killed three of their own hostages while they were unarmed and waving white flags. Civilians have not been spared.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 23, 2024 19:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2024 19:47:38 GMT -5
Why don't you move on SF? You're the one who keeps spouting terrorist propaganda. I'm not the one defending mass murder of civilians. That's your lane when you try to explain why it's 'okay' that Israel is starving and mass murdering millions of people. And you defended the J6 protesters but you won't defend peaceful protesters calling for peace and equality for Israelis and Palestinians. Genocide makes people angry. You can't expect people to be quiet while Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head. ‘Not a normal war’Worth remembering that the IDF killed three of their own hostages while they were unarmed and waving white flags. Civilians have not been spared. The hell you're not defending the mass murder of civilians. No one on this forum has defended mass murder of civilians more aggressively and stridently than you have. What the heck do you think happened on October 7? Everything that has happened in Gaza since then is the direct result of Hamas' rampage and you've done nothing but try to deflect it onto Israel and blame the victim. I would love it if the IDF had a way to only kill Hamas members, but as has been noted several times, Hamas hides behind human shields. A tactic that you've denied - either out of raging ignorance, or deliberate mendacity. I mean, seriously man, Hamas took 230+ hostages out of Israel! The idea that these are anything but human shields for all of Hamas... THAT'S WHAT HOSTAGES ARE! Trying to claim otherwise... I mean that goes WAY beyond simply insulting everyone else's intelligence and crosses the line into outright delusion. Israel is only doing what it needs to do to defend itself and it's people from another Hamas rampage. Every one of the dead civilians in Gaza is on Hamas' hands. No one else. No matter how much terrorist bullcrap you throw around in here.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 20:20:53 GMT -5
And she's 100% right
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Post by summer23 on Apr 23, 2024 20:23:27 GMT -5
You agree with her. Just say that you are in agreement with her.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 23, 2024 20:27:28 GMT -5
You agree with her. Just say that you are in agreement with her. I agree with her. No need to womansplain'
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Post by summer23 on Apr 23, 2024 20:43:37 GMT -5
You agree with her. Just say that you are in agreement with her. I agree with her. No need to womansplain' Clearly there was a need to 'splain. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by JoyinMudville on Apr 23, 2024 22:16:06 GMT -5
I'm not confused. You are (or attempting to rewrite history) if you think effective protests aren't supposed to be disruptive. No one said that. Why can't you read for comprehension? Rosa Parks sat in the wrong section of the bus. I don't recall reading where she was led away screaming that, 'Turner's rebellion was a good start.' You want to point me to that section of Taylor Branch's trilogy? Or, didn't you read it? I certainly did. You're confused. The issue is not that the protests are disruptive. The issue is not that the protests are not universally popular. The issue is that there is now, and there always has been, an undercurrent of anti-semitism and a tendency to condone violence in this movement. Exhibit A is the national student group's statement in the direct aftermath of the worst pogrom against the Jews since the Holocaust. dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2023/10/DAY-OF-RESISTANCE-TOOLKIT.pdf If you want to stand with people who viewed the butchering of innocent women waiting for a bus as a 'historic win' that's up to you but it is the reason that I said back in the fall that, whatever my feelings on the subject of Israel and Palestine, I could never stand with these people. Finally, the most offensive part of your whole schitck is that you keep trying to anoint yourself as the sole arbiter of who has protested or who is really progressive. Get over yourself
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Post by ivanbalt on Apr 24, 2024 5:29:41 GMT -5
Why don't you move on SF? You're the one who keeps spouting terrorist propaganda. I'm not the one defending mass murder of civilians. That's your lane when you try to explain why it's 'okay' that Israel is starving and mass murdering millions of people. And you defended the J6 protesters but you won't defend peaceful protesters calling for peace and equality for Israelis and Palestinians. Genocide makes people angry. You can't expect people to be quiet while Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head. ‘Not a normal war’Worth remembering that the IDF killed three of their own hostages while they were unarmed and waving white flags. Civilians have not been spared. Dude, why are you arguing with such a miserable human being? He spent months blaming George Floyd for his own death. Of course he's going to cheer on killing as many Palestinian women and children as possible.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 24, 2024 6:31:43 GMT -5
I'm not the one defending mass murder of civilians. That's your lane when you try to explain why it's 'okay' that Israel is starving and mass murdering millions of people. And you defended the J6 protesters but you won't defend peaceful protesters calling for peace and equality for Israelis and Palestinians. Genocide makes people angry. You can't expect people to be quiet while Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head. ‘Not a normal war’Worth remembering that the IDF killed three of their own hostages while they were unarmed and waving white flags. Civilians have not been spared. Dude, why are you arguing with such a miserable human being? He spent months blaming George Floyd for his own death. Of course he's going to cheer on killing as many Palestinian women and children as possible. Way to go straight to the personal attack. Clearly because you don't have the brains or knowledge to make a reasoned counter argument. I mean you don't even have the reading comprehension skills to get my point right. How could you possibly make a counter argument?
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 24, 2024 7:52:14 GMT -5
Just so we all agree that these pro-Hamas protests are weaponized antisemitism.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 7:54:20 GMT -5
It sure does seem like the accusations of antisemitism in response to these protests are exaggerated.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 7:57:00 GMT -5
Again, anyone comparing these folks to Charlottesville is revealing themselves to be dishonest hacks.
If hearing the phrase “Free Palestine” or seeing people wearing Keffiyahs offends you, it’s you who has a problem, not those who are peacefully using their First Amendment Rights.
Neither colleges nor the government should accommodate the idea that a foreign government being criticized is offensive to some people.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 8:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 8:12:12 GMT -5
And one incident means all protests are antisemitic? How do you quantify that?
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 8:15:07 GMT -5
And one incident means all protests are antisemitic? How do you quantify that? Don't talk to me like I am an idiot. I did not say that. But don't bother answering my question since you can't do it civilly.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 8:24:39 GMT -5
And one incident means all protests are antisemitic? How do you quantify that? Don't talk to me like I am an idiot. I did not say that. But don't bother answering my question since you can't do it civilly. I responded civilly and asked a question. Jeez.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 8:27:10 GMT -5
This incident has been exposed as a gross exaggeration now that video of the incident has been published: Jewish Yale student stabbed in eye with Palestinian flag during rowdy protestEveryone needs to chill out. Emotions are high on both sides but no one is stopping pro-Israel groups from counterprotesting. They are protesting and some of the things they do meets the definition of harassment as well. Both sides have 1A Right to protest. No one needs to be arrested for non-violent demonstrations even if offensive comments are expressed. And it's an established fact that offensive stuff is being said by bad actors on both sides. Angry protests typically have some poorly articulated or offensive chants. I was protesting alongside pro-Palestine protesters at Columbia when most of these students were in diapers or not born yet. So I'm well aware that there are good and bad actors on both sides of these protests.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 8:27:17 GMT -5
Don't talk to me like I am an idiot. I did not say that. But don't bother answering my question since you can't do it civilly. I responded civilly and asked a question. Jeez. I mean aside from flat out lying about what I posted. Sure thing. Gaslighting 101. You have it almost perfected. Put the person on defensive. Rule #1.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 24, 2024 8:28:45 GMT -5
Just a couple of reminders for those who have forgotten:
The Palestinian side in this is the pro-war side, the Israeli side is the anti-war side. How do I figure this?
1) The Palestinians launched this war on October 7. 2) The Israelis have been to the table about a cease fire multiple times and been repeatedly rebuffed by Hamas. 3) And the people at these protests are calling for continued attacks on Israel.
Claiming to be anti-war while supporting the Palestinians and these protests is a contradiction.
So the people trying to shut down these pro-Gaza-war protests (the Police and the Jewish community) are the anti-Gaza-war protestors, and the efforts to stymie the NYPD in their efforts to do something about the "we are Hamas" crowd is weaponized antisemitism.
Just because the IDF is MUCH BETTER at fighting and has done far more damage does not mean the Palestinians are opposed to the war. Nor does it mean the Israelis are for it.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 8:28:54 GMT -5
This incident has been exposed as a gross exaggeration now that video of the incident has been published: Jewish Yale student stabbed in eye with Palestinian flag during rowdy protestEveryone needs to chill out. Emotions are high on both sides but no one is stopping pro-Israel groups from counterprotesting. They are protesting and some of the things they do meets the definition of harassment as well. Both sides have 1A Right to protest. No one needs to be arrested for non-violent demonstrations even if offensive comments are expressed. And it's an established fact that offensive stuff is being said by bad actors on both sides. Angry protests typically have some poorly articulated or offensive chants. I was protesting alongside pro-Palestine protesters at Columbia when most of these students were in diapers or not born yet. So I'm well aware that there are good and bad actors on both sides of these protests. You are happy to defend anything a protester says or does as long as you agree with their message. I am not unbiased. Nor are you. At all.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 8:36:26 GMT -5
Just a couple of reminders for those who have forgotten: The Palestinian side in this is the pro-war side, the Israeli side is the anti-war side. How do I figure this? 1) The Palestinians launched this war on October 7. 2) The Israelis have been to the table about a cease fire multiple times and been repeatedly rebuffed by Hamas. 3) And the people at these protests are calling for continued attacks on Israel. Claiming to be anti-war while supporting the Palestinians and these protests is a contradiction. So the people trying to shut down these pro-Gaza-war protests (the Police and the Jewish community) are the anti-Gaza-war protestors, and the efforts to stymie the NYPD in their efforts to do something about the "we are Hamas" crowd is weaponized antisemitism. 1 - Wrong. Hamas secretly planned and launched the Oct. 7th attacks. Polls from prior to Oct 7th show that most Palestinians opposed breaking their ceasefire with Israel that existed at the time. Even Hamas' political-wing was not aware of the military-wing's plans. Hamas owns Oct 7th, not the Palestinian people. Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire2 - Netanyahu opposes the Two-State solution and recently said he's proud of the fact that he has successfully blocked a Palestinian state. He says it's 'Israel: from the river to the sea' frequently. Benjamin Netanyahu Brags He's ‘Proud’ To Have Prevented A Palestinian State3 - So what? Do you support the first amendment or not? There were people on January 6 calling for the government to be overthrown but you defend their speech Rights. Don't be a hypocrite. I'm principled and that's why I routinely defend the speech Rights of conservatives whom I may disagree with 80% of the time. I also support the right of pro-Israel people to counterprotest. No one's speech should be cancelled or censored.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 8:39:43 GMT -5
This incident has been exposed as a gross exaggeration now that video of the incident has been published: Jewish Yale student stabbed in eye with Palestinian flag during rowdy protestEveryone needs to chill out. Emotions are high on both sides but no one is stopping pro-Israel groups from counterprotesting. They are protesting and some of the things they do meets the definition of harassment as well. Both sides have 1A Right to protest. No one needs to be arrested for non-violent demonstrations even if offensive comments are expressed. And it's an established fact that offensive stuff is being said by bad actors on both sides. Angry protests typically have some poorly articulated or offensive chants. I was protesting alongside pro-Palestine protesters at Columbia when most of these students were in diapers or not born yet. So I'm well aware that there are good and bad actors on both sides of these protests. You are happy to defend anything a protester says or does as long as you agree with their message.
I am not unbiased. Nor are you. At all. I don't agree with the pro-Israel counterprotesters but I defended their right to protest and say nasty things too. Please stop selectively reading my posts. Think before you respond.
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Post by WKDWZD on Apr 24, 2024 8:50:08 GMT -5
Just so we all agree that these pro-Hamas protests are weaponized antisemitism. Only a liar would call these protests ”pro-Hamas". Those liars have no shame.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 8:51:34 GMT -5
Michael Moore gets it. People under age 40 have been taught that fascism, apartheid, and genocide are wrong. So why is anyone surprised that they are more vocally opposing Israel as the Israeli government has become more overtly fascist?
Israel has maybe 15 years to get their act together. The US is becoming less religious and the people you see protesting are the future leaders of the USA.
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Post by pickle20 on Apr 24, 2024 8:57:18 GMT -5
I responded civilly and asked a question. Jeez. I mean aside from flat out lying about what I posted. Sure thing. Gaslighting 101. You have it almost perfected. Put the person on defensive. Rule #1. Give me a break. If you can't handle being asked a question then maybe it's time for another one of your breaks from the forum.
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Post by soulflower on Apr 24, 2024 9:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 9:24:41 GMT -5
I mean aside from flat out lying about what I posted. Sure thing. Gaslighting 101. You have it almost perfected. Put the person on defensive. Rule #1. Give me a break. If you can't handle being asked a question then maybe it's time for another one of your breaks from the forum. Maybe you should try answering my question before trying to gaslight me. Worry about you, not me. This will forum will go down in flames before I am chased out.
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Post by summer23 on Apr 24, 2024 9:25:22 GMT -5
You are happy to defend anything a protester says or does as long as you agree with their message.
I am not unbiased. Nor are you. At all. I don't agree with the pro-Israel counterprotesters but I defended their right to protest and say nasty things too. Please stop selectively reading my posts. Think before you respond. Another one.
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